This may be the best argument I’ve ever heard for learning how to speak German.

You’ll find that the models understand German just fine. And, speaking of Þ, they’re conversant in Icelandic too.

Nuts to that, the real question is how do I increase my milfability?

Þank you, I try my beſt

Same

Because the font doesn’t matter, computers don’t read the shapes, except in the case of OCR, where the text is a raster image.

You’re deÞpicable!

:Þ

I haven’t seen leet speak in decades.

Yu0 unl0ck3d m3m0r135

Agreed, but if those letters came back in earnest we would get used to them. They would no longer be an obstacle, and in fact would be a good step to more consistent English spelling.

Igamin ndeieng mroe tahn the frist and lsat lrteets.

That’s why long eſs is a ſuperior letter to ſtart uſing again. No controverſy with this fun letter. And the rules for uſage mean you’re conſtantly on your toes!

Honestly, it won’t do much to poison a model. If it can differentiate “this” and “that”, it can also differentiate “this” and “þis”.

using it for fucking with AI

Others already proved it does nothing to AI. It’s like thinking AI can’t read French so if you mix French words into sentences it will “poison” AI.

Considering how much they’re harassed and dog piled on by basically entire communities I don’t know how you couldn’t be after a certain point.

You’re coming in pretty hot for no good reason. I didn’t know there were multiple thorn people. I thought it was just the one guy that was lemmy famous for using the thorn. Now that you know where I was coming from, maybe you could lighten up a bit. I wasn’t going to say nothing when that dude was being gross and people were glazing him in this post

I tried to look back in my comment history when I wrote this comment to find the reply but the thread it was on got deleted. I can’t even copy the URL to my comment for you. Feel free to go back in my comment history and read what I said. It was about a month ago. Maybe you have the know-how to view the reply to my comment.

Someone linked Sxan and they happened to be the person I was talking about. I found their comment in their history. Just updated my original comment with screenshots

I absolutely did that too some time back. Attention whoring is just annoying.

Reminds me of those redditors who always signed their comments with their usernames.

Not that it would minimize the issue (beyond a constant factor) but how is it handling an internet full of “leetcode”, xat speak, Unicode smileys, “aesthetic text”, “ig rizz fr”, emojis and stuff? Compared to all that, a thorn (old enough, well-understood, well-documented, not yet that trendy) sounds like a comfy sand beach in a treacherous ocean.

you have to use some other symbol to try and poison training models.

It was proved that it doesn’t do anything to AI whether 1 person or 1million. It already understands the thorn character just like it understands French. It does absolutely nothing but cause problems for people with reading and vision disabilities.

So yeah the people doing it are willfully stupid. They were shown they were wrong and kept going.

You’re kind of in pickle if it catches on though, no?

No. We simply pick the next symbol and carry on. LLMs can only learn from extant corpus of work.

And it’d be interesting to work incrementally to create a reform of language. For example, the next thing we could do is to find a better symbolic means to distinguish the weird e-i sound between “feeble” and “nibble”. Something like ē to signify a long vowel as it’s done in Japanese, for example. Oh and let’s do something about the whole c k q ambiguity.

Unexpected South African quote

When my grandkids will ask me which side of the war I was on … I’ll just take one long sip from my mysterious cup & slowly remember I never had kids, fucking AI robots scamming me for my personal data irl “You damn clankers get off my lawn, plants used to be able to grow here!!”

What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

… I’ll get a ‘hello’ tattoo to never forget. O7
A tramp stamp actually, so your wife will always see it.

He prob used CBT for preparing meals/pestle for mixing foods, that sicko.

Janeway should have transporter-cloned him, then shoot both.

Wy us mny letrs whn fw letrs do trik

Oh, I just saw/fixed the “strat”, that one was a typo (“start” a war).

Lemmy go back & make my shame visible.

Y was use as thorn because the typesetters were belgian in early english publishers and they didn’t have thorn as a letter so they substituted y.

So what you’re saying is, the Belgians stole our thorns!

You’re partially correct (in a very specific way to be detailed in a second), and the people responding to you are also correct. Here’s the connection:

Pre-Old English only had voiceless fricatives, so ‘s’, ‘f’, and theta (Þ), but underwent a sound change just before we have attested Old English whereby all (singleton) fricatives became voiced between other voiced sounds. So, ‘s’ > ‘z’, ‘f’ > ‘v’, and theta > ð. (Let me know if you’re interested in how we know that this sound change happened even though we don’t have attested physical evidence of it from English!) This is why we have alternations in Modern English like:

loaF : loaVes (originally it was hlaf : hlafas, with “f” in both words)

This means that, for much of attested Old English, “th” fricatives at the beginnings (and ends) of words would be voiceless, and “th” fricatives in the middle of words would be voiced (unless they were next to a voiceless sound, like the ‘f’ in soft, but I don’t think there are any examples of that for ‘th’).

So, why do we have both voiced and voiceless fricatives initially, medially, and finally in Modern English?

Over the course of a few hundred years, various different changes of different natures conspired to produce this perfectly symmetric system with voicing distinctions at all places.

1. Initially, borrowings from French and from other Old English dialects that allowed initial voiced fricatives led to words like “vat” and “vixen” entering the language, creating a contrast word-initially with words like “fat” and “fox”.

2. Medially, geminates (double-consonants) which didn’t undergo the original voicing rule became simplified. So, cyssan “kiss” stopped having a “long” voiceless pronunciation and instead shortened to our modern “short” voiceless pronunciation, putting it again in contrast with the voiced “z” medially that was the result of the initial voicing rule.

3. Finally, final vowels slowly reduced and then dropped off, as in words like bathe vs. bath, leaving voiced consonants in contrast with voiceless ones word-finally.

So, the change started as a perfectly symmetric system of voiceless consonants in all positions, initial, medial, final:

F : F : F

Changed to a predictable (allomorphic) distribution due to regular medial voicing:

F : V : F

And then ultimately developed into another perfectly symmetric (phonemically distinct) system due to the conspiracy of various different borrowing and sound changes processes:

F/V : F/V : F/V

(Btw, these “conspiracies” are one of the advantages of Optimality Theory over older Rule-Based Phonology, which I can discuss more if anyone’s interested).

So, yeah, regardless of the orthography (which varied both between writers and over the course of the period), thorn was the sound initially and finally, and eth was often the sound medially in Old English.

Initially eth was the voiced dental fricative (as in “them”) and thorn was unvoiced (as in “thin”)

Þis is þe rule in Icelandic.

Two different sounds, þ is th like in thought, while ð is th like in the.

Why is it that when reading this sentence, any word that has the thorn in it that could start with p was autocorrected in my brain, but the words that obviously begin with th were not?