I’ve seen stories about other countries beginning to implement work from home, mandating places shut down by a certain time, etc. Would the US government start doing similar things out of necessity? I imagine things getting more expensive will do that naturally but probably not to the levels needed if oil goes to $200. Can’t imagine the current admin jumping to enforce anything that looks like a Covid shutdown though. Just curious what people here think, because it seems like it’s going to get tight sooner rather than later.

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    A large part of New Jersey was subject to fuel rationing in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy in 2012. The hurricane wrought unprecedented damage to the power grid, shutting off power to over 2.6 million “customers.” In effect, leaving the vast majority of gas stations out of service for an extended period of time due to the lack of electricity (real Workers and Resources: Soviet Republic hours). The refineries also faced heavy disruption, either due to electrical failures or physical damage, leading to ongoing logistical complications. The lack of electricity drove up demand for gasoline substantially for use in generators. For about two to three weeks, the handful of gas stations which had both gas AND electricity had wait times of up to 6 hours. There were a lot of shenanigans going on. All the hardware stores sold out of jerry cans immediately, and people were filling any fucking container they could find with gasoline. 5 gallon paint buckets, plastic totes, gallon milk jugs, you name it. There was also a lot of petty theft. People stealing generators out of back yards, breaking into sheds to steal lawn mower gas, etc.

    Police were stationed at all the gas stations. A law was imposed limiting people to buying gas only on alternate days, and only $20 worth at a time. There was a LOT of small-scale bribery and scalping. A good time if you were pumping gas (NJ is one of two states which have mandatory full-service gas stations). My buddy worked as a gas station attendant at the time and people were handing him 20 dollar bills all day long to ignore the $20 quota and fill up their tanks. Good times as long as the gas station itself didn’t run out causing somebody who had been waiting in line for five hours to go apeshit.

    Long story short, it will be an absolute disaster. Law of the jungle.

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    Hard to imagine the US government doing anything until there isn’t a drop of oil left in the country. Trump probably “learned” from the beginning of the pandemic that his biggest mistake was paying any attention to it at all.

    Will hogs just push their pickup trucks around on foot before admitting that anything is wrong?

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      For what it’s worth, Trump had very little to do with it. The thing which suddenly made Covid a reality for Americans was the NBA cancelling basketball season. This was the singular event which caused people to treat it like a proper American crisis by running to the grocery store to fill their entire shopping cart with canned tuna and sacks of flour immediately before stocking up on ammunition.

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    I think we will see more pushes for renewables.

    We’ve had people asking about our hybrid and solar panels before all of this.

    Solar panels are also becoming very affordable. But as far as transportation? That was going to be a issue regardless. It’s going to force America to give a shit about walkable cities and public transportation but it’ll be repackaged as God Given Right To Walk/Freedom of Movement or something like that.

    In the mean time it’ll be suffer and poor people sharing a car and shit like that.

    But there will be infrastructure change from this. The question is how long it’ll take.

    Also this will put the nail in the coffin for the population shift to urban (this is something that has been happening because of the job market and prices but you don’t see it in news and shit but you do see the real world example if you say visit your home which is RURAL. Had a graduating class of 34. And more and more people are moving to cities cause they cant affors rural life, god forbid buying farm land)

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    It’ll just be gas lines. You’ll go to the station and they’ll have no gas. Or maybe they’ll limit to one tank per person per visit and alternate plate days (evens and odds)

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    Probably corpos following what other corpos do, I doubt there will be recommended guidelines laid out by the government.

    I think some places would rather lay off employees over helping them out though.

    We’ll still be subsidizing electricity and water for the corporations though, my electricity bill went up 47% since last year and that’s just from the data-centers, not the war.

    Oddly enough, I’m incentivized to use more electricity to lower my bill.

    If I go over 1000kWh, my $/kWh gets cut almost in half, meaning if I’m going to use more than 600kWh, I’m incentivized to boil water, mine monero, or run a space heater until I hit 1000kWh or else I’m paying out my ass for it.

    This country runs on wasting excessively, these incentives will always be there for corporations to abuse, and I’m sure they get even greater discounts on electricity beyond that 1000kWh discount. I only know about this one because during the summer we had record breaking heat and our air conditioner was on 24/7 for a month.

    The peons will always foot the bill, subsidizing the large corporations to burn energy in excess while they force us to skip showers and have our grandparents boil to death in their homes due to blackouts; blackouts that will never affect the datacenters and malls that run air conditioning year-round, even when nobody goes to them.

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      If I go over 1000kWh, my $/kWh gets cut almost in half, meaning if I’m going to use more than 600kWh, I’m incentivized to boil water, mine monero, or run a space heater until I hit 1000kWh or else I’m paying out my ass for it.

      Surely it’s only the electricity over 1000kWh that gets billed at the reduced rate?

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        No 🙃

        Just opened up the spreadsheet again:

        1093 kWh was $100.65 in July ($0.09/kWh)

        906 kWh was $199.53 in August ($0.22/kWh)

        I could’ve saved $100 in August if I wasted excessively :D

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            OP would also get the discounted rate if, instead of wasting the electricity, they used it to charge batteries.

            The same way that buying 3 sixpacks of Coke (18) is slightly more expensive than buying a full case (24). If you buy the “extra” six cans, you get a discount. But you wouldn’t then walk outside and dump the extra sixpack in the dirt - you’d drink them.