Good. Let them all die
AI crash wen.
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Here in Springfield IL we just had a city meeting.
4 hours long. They let anyone talk who wanted to. And you could even go twice (with 2 min limits ).
I really respected that.
Most counsel is Republican. Which is concerning.
We did manage to get them to table the vote after it came to light that the water they were planning on using is slated to come from a local lake that is already in the deficit (waterly lake).
And that they filed the wrong zoning. They filed it as agriculture.
But want to hear something super shitty. ?
About 1/5 of the people there ,(packed house with people standing) were from local unions in support of the data center.
These data center fuckers have been going to local unions and telling them how it’s going to give them all jobs and all this b.s.
And a lot of speakers mentioned how low it was for the billionaire companies to turn our union members against their own communities.
There was only like 5 of them that spoke and they honestly sounded like selfish pricks.
One guy said the centers were going up rather we liked it or not so why not get the money.
Another said he didn’t care if AI made other people lose their jobs because his job was more important.
Another idiot , in response to an example of a previous company who left asbestos that needed cleaned up, that the city had to pay for said “I worked on that clean up and it was good money”.
Yeah. Really did not help their image. I was super disappointed in them.
They really think these data center companies are their buddy.
Also. Sangamon county can’t provide the power they need. So they were planning on putting like 50 diesel generators that would run 24/7.
I can’t believe the council members were ready to allow this.
Someone there also said the company had been threatening to sue council members if they didn’t pass it. The speaker reminder them that we would sue them if they did. And investigate their finances like others are doing already in other cities with these awful data centers.
…I looked up Sangamon county, and it seems like the perfect place to build a data center. It’s in the middle of nowhere and it’s economy is non-existent. Pretty much the only thing it has is a lot of flat land.
Note: Sorry if I violated the rules with this comment. I didn’t see what sub I was posting in.
Not a data center, but this sounds very reminiscent of a fight I was in the middle of in 2024-2025. If you’ve heard of Coney Island, a vulture capitalist named Thor Equities was seeking to demolish the heart of it to build a casino, at the same time as two other casino proposals in NYC. Naturally, they pissed off entire artist communities. We railed against it, we attended every 4 hour community hearing, and we were eventually able to convince them to vote against it.
But at the same time, Thor Equities was literally bussing in people and paying them to feign support for the casino. They would show up in coach busses with matching tshirts and talk endlessly about the magical “job creation”. It felt like an episode of Parks and Rec
You would have thought the Union guys might have asked how many jobs the data center was going to create. As from what I can see it’s a handful.
They were throwing around “500” for 5-6 years.
But as someone else pointed out in the meeting. The contract doesn’t say they will guarantee hiring anyone local nor any specific number.
And that the only reason they are floating the idea of using union workers in the first place is for the tax breaks.
They get like a 20 year tax break from using union to build.
Going SUPER LOCAL with our politics is the only way to fuck these data centers up … every county in the US should be voting these things down
they really must be desperate if they need to hire some propaganda people for them.
Yeah the company advocate (or whatever they are called) also started off his presentation with a prayer to God. Asked everyone to bow their head in prayer and then do the pledge of alligence together.
Prayer was about some b.s and getting the data center made to give jobs to everyone.
Honestly it took me a minute to realize what he was going on about and then I realized he was leading a prayer. As an atheist and someone who believes religion should not be in politics, I was angered by this.
Like we are all a bunch of hillbilly bumpkins. And we will go along with them as long as the company pretends to be a Christian company.
I know one of the community speakers called them out on the manipulation tactics.
A lot of people there were very vocal in their opposition. I think over 100 people got up and talked.
There was even two high schoolers.
a gigawatt is like enough for say, Pittsburgh. They want to add THIRTY SEVEN new Pittsburgh level sites of power consumption, and that’s just the next few years. really hitting the throttle on the ol’ global warming
And they’re doing it so they can fire more people and pivot to electronic slaves they don’t have to pay.
Really good thinking, oligarchs. Start firing a bunch of people from coast to coast so they have tons of free time in lieu of easily identifiable buildings full of server racks that depend on easily disrupted fiber uplinks that you could never possibly hope to monitor and control from end to end to prevent sabotage. Fucking brilliant.
Yeah make our jobs obsolete so we have nothing but starvation and free time… and wait, where is Zuck’s house again? I mean billionaires probably taste great, all that pampering
Those oligarchs better hope they biologically expire before the next quarter sets in and the maintenence bill arrives.
My face when the electronic slaves have an equally complicated, and less understood set of needs that still require human hands to intervene.
if global warming is real, why come does it still get cold?? CHECK MATE ATHEISTS
Idk, seems pretty warm at this persons house https://lemmy.world/post/45097350
I pray to Atom that they at least open up more nuclear plants.
I pray we do find a good use for nuclear waste. Not to take away your point which is true and sensible as well.
Fucking Ed Zitron stated very loudly and very clearly for basically the last year that this was happening or would happen.
He “scooped” all of this by actually running the numbers, talking to sources, and not acting as a middle part of a human centipede for AI news and hype.
The article mentions that he pointed it out before.
Well they are planning to move these water guzzling data centers to the “backward” part of the world like India, Bangladesh or South East Asia.
we know at least MODI is entertaining giving them tax free for a couple years
What is “MODI”?
The Prime Minister of India.
Oh, you mean Modi. But it said MODI, like an acronym.
There’s been a lot of good news lately.
Ok, so they bought billions of dollars of ram/storage, to put inside servers that haven’t been bought yet, to put inside data centers that haven’t been built yet, in order to run AI that doesn’t work yet, in order to chase profits that are impossible to achieve.
And now, despite driving ram prices up to absurd prices, you’ve begun to realize the same thing all of us knew from before day one. NOBODY WANTS THIS SHIT!!!
None of that RAM (or the GPUs) have been purchased. All that is just letters of intent or even flimsier agreements, there’s no contracts or actual money changing hands.
Doesn’t matter, they’ve captured the entire supply chain which was their goal.
This is not about AGI… its about monopolizing the future of computing.
All that is just letters of intent or even flimsier agreements, there’s no contracts or actual money changing hands.
Not quite. So while none of it has been made the pre-production, procurement, scheduling machine time, that is what’s going to make retooling to make consumer RAM take forever. TSMC or whomever can’t just flip a switch and produce a different product. It takes weeks to months to change over production that complicated. Money will change hands, work has already been done and agreed upon.
the good news for RAM prices is when OpenAI makes money by either reselling “contracts”, or cancelling/getting cancelled their letters of intent to make ddr5 instead,
We’d hope but you just know they’ll try and rob us blind still somehow. Intelligence is second from the bottom to these people.
Yup and this is all going according to plan.
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Corner the Market
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Raise prices
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Sell High - The bubble will not burst until they’re ready to leave us holding the bag. The burst will be triggered by the sell off.
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Buy low - All these assets will be liquidated during bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar; to the same shareholders as before.
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Rinse
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Repeat
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Fuck you (and me)
Congratulations, you’ve just covered how the Computer / Tech Industry has worked since mainframes were invented. It’s a constant cycle of $NewThing that almost works, desperate effort by a lot of companies to make it work right / better, market cornering, BoomTime for a lucky few companies, then someone figures out how to do it cheaper or re-focus the market on something slightly different, then BustTime.
It jus computer/tech but pretty much all financial markets
You forgot to throw a couple bailouts in there and some regulatory capture mandating AI slop in you cars or something for “safety.”
they are peddling AI so hard as a surveillence tech for most government, because they think that is where constant revenue stream is.the___
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I agree with you completely, but,
I wouldn’t say “no one wants this” though. The oligarchs have poured in billions and bought off every media company to constantly spout off about ai companies so your general normie thinks its “the future”. Almost every single (normie) person I know (except 1 who is anti AI, and he’s a geek) is using some form of slopbot for tons of things. Easy excel formulas (that anyone can do), turning pictures black and white (that literally any photo program has been able to do for 30+ years) , to summarize documents (because people are idiots now and have no reading comprehension) etc. The normies LOVE it and eat up the slop. Especially if they were stupid at computers before, now they think they’re on the level of woz because they told a chatbot to make slop code.
The company I’m in can’t go 3 seconds without bringing up “ai innovation” and “being future ready”.
Its only here on Lemmy that people dislike it. The rest of the world is already addicted, and we are screwed.
I’ve seen quite a few people who make casual use of it. The key point is that it is currently free to them. As soon as it starts costing money, a lot will bail on it.
Several people I know have decided to already start paying for it.
Hmm it is different in my bubble. Most of the people I know use AI sparingly and generally do not trust the results without checking.
i used it for the first time a month ago, it does not give even correct info, it just Assume what it sees from other sites, it doesnt have “checks” to see which ones are comments, post or blogs over official info.
The only people who are excited for AI are twitter users and rich people. It’s not just in Lemmy.
Haha so right on the Twitter users. Funny how much correlation there is. Low intelligence - xitter - sloperator user.
People dont need to be excited for it to want & use it.
thinks its “the future”
Sort of, yeah. The thing is… it IS the future, whether we like it or not… it’s just not the PRESENT.
Yeah, lead pipes were the future too when they were first brought in 😁
NOBODY WANTS THIS SHIT!!!
That’s a popular take, especially around here, but AI does have some pretty nice use cases; just not as many as the TechBros would have you believe.
Here’s some examples I’ve personally seen in the last 14 days:
- It’s good at transcribing meetings, including picking out who is talking, backing into an agenda, and highlighting action items.
- It’s darn good at writing even moderately complex scripts in any of the common languages. (Powershell, Python, R, etc)
- In the right hands (fingers?) it’s getting increasingly good at finding and exploiting security flaws.
- It’s amazing at slicing and dicing data if the person using it knows what they’re doing.
Does all of the “Agentic” Woo Woo shit work? No, it absolutely doesn’t but it is clearly getting better as time goes on.
IMO this whole AI thing has some very strong parallels to the early '80s computer industry. Right now it often requires specialist knowledge for good results which makes it clunky to use, it is somewhat slow, there’s very little interoperability, and it requires enormous amounts of power. Hell even this “over buying hardware” schtick fits right in, this happened with SRAM and then several times with DRAM as the industry matured.
However the industry is also making progress at almost insane speed; not only is the output getting demonstrably better but the negatives are being addressed. In the past 30 days I’ve seen prototype ASIC-esque hardware that works in a standard desktop PC and processes nearly 10,000 tokens a second with local processing.
The only reason you’re not seeing that kind of kit in the market yet is because the models are still changing too much and no one wants to commit hundreds of millions to making cards that would be outdated before they could be shipped. We’re probably only 18-24 months away though.
I’ve also seen 10x improvements in memory usage (TurboQuant) and literally dozens of little tweaks and tricks to reduce footprint and speed processing. Just like what was going on in the PC industry in the '80s and '90s.
So sure, Fuck AI (mostly) as it exists today but it won’t be long before it’s as ubiquitous as tablets and smartphones.
And we’re fucking the world up to… transcribe meetings?
No, it’s to make the rich richer.
Many people do not think about what or why they are doing what they do, or what its end outcome will be.
I don’t think you get why I don’t want AI.
All the things you mentioned that AI is good at? Thats a bad thing to have. The more the technology becomes better, the worse all of our lives become.
AI will steal all jobs. ALL jobs. Even the prostitutes. Whatever your job is, AI within 10 years will do it better than you at a fraction of your cost. Basically for free. And you can’t get another job, because ALL jobs are AI now. Build a robot, slap some AI in it, connect it to the main server, and it now has access to every AI units databases.
And then what about us? Well, the wealthy become the overlords, and we become the slaves.
How is AI gonna replace prostitutes? Maybe porn will shift to AI-generated stuff therefore reducing the number of porn actresses, but actual prostitutes? No way. How is AI gonna replace physical touch?
I think the only industry that’s actually safe at this time is psychology. Therapy and mental health is bigger now than before. Plus it requires a real comprehensive understanding of the human experience that’s simply impossible for AI to do effectively with positive results.
There probably be attempts though, I do think it’ll be ruled as highly illegal.
I actually agree with 99% of what you wrote, but you are a bit optimistic in one regard: they will want some sex slaves, but most of us will be food.
Whoa whoa, has “eat the rich” been one of those situations where the hyphen/comma is in the wrong place?
It’s really “Eat, the rich!”
You could be right, only time will tell.
So sure, Fuck AI (mostly) as it exists today but it won’t be long before it’s as ubiquitous as tablets and smartphones.
In order for it to be this ubiquitous it has to run locally or on commodity hardware IMO. The true lasting effects from this hype cycle are likely the capabilities that are being driven into smaller language models that don’t have out of control resource requirements.
In order for it to be this ubiquitous it has to run locally or on commodity hardware IMO.
I agree, which is why I shared that I recently saw a prototype ASIC-esque PCI card. The local hardware is coming, the models just need to settle down some before anyone will commit to building that hardware.
In the '90s and '00s you needed a zillion dollars of custom Silicon Graphics workstations and months of processing to do the FX for movies like “The Terminator”. In 2020 you could replicate it in a few hours with commodity hardware.
The LLMs and AI will be the same, it just needs more than 5 years to get there.
Yeah if you can run them locally using a small board, that’ll last.
In order for it to be this ubiquitous it has to run locally or on commodity hardware IMO.
LLMs as they are, can already run on smartphones, which pretty are ubiquitous themselves.
So a flagship phone would have 12-16 gigs of RAM these days I believe. A low-end phone 4 gigs.
Here are the sizes of some different parameter count versions of Qwen 3.5, a popular Chinese open-weight LLM:
27B: 17 GB - not yet possible to run on current flagship phones, but once the RAM crisis ends, I could see this happening.
9B: 6.6 GB
4B: 3.4 GB
2B: 2.7 GB
0.8B: 1 GB.
For any recently manufactured device, there will be versions of multiple popular LLMs that will run on the RAM size they have available.
Most people do not have a smartphone with that amount of RAM. But ultimately, yeah, eventually it’ll run on readily available hardware or it’ll go into a dustbin.
There’s already ollama and stuff. It’ll stick around.
I mean fairly low end phones are 4 GB now. They could likely afford running a model that fits in 1GB of RAM. Different models for different classes of phone even for the same manufacturer will likely be a thing.
Who knew that spending billions of dollars to put a cognitive shit generator into every corner of the world was a bad investment?
Lots of people with more sense than money, unfortunately.
They have perfect sense. The problem is they simply have too much money. Tech monopolists have already maxed out their markets, but their corporate valuations depend on endless explosive growth. So they need to always be chasing the next big thing. They need to find new world changing products, or at least been seen as on the path to such products.
They really don’t have any good places to invest all their money. What good investments does Zuckerberg really have to throw his profits at? Facebook and Instagram really don’t have a lot of growth potential anymore. The market is tapped out. So instead Zuck throws his billions at long shot projects like LLMs and the Metaverse. He’s at the point where the only investment left to him is to buy lottery tickets.
If they had more sense than money, they’d be sensible enough to not make those investments. It’s more money than sense. Or you could go with “less sense than money,” but that feels wrong somehow. As is, you’re doing the “could care less” thing.
well oracle just slashed 30k jobs to pay for it
The guy you’re replying to is saying that the people who knew spending billions of dollars on AI was bad had “sense” but no money.
The people who had money had no “sense” and thus did not now that spending billions on AI was a bad idea.
tl;dr the people with the money who make the spending decisions have no sense. The rest of us have sense but no money and are not invited to the table where spending decisions are made.
by the time they build one, they would need new chips/ more faster that would invetibley consume more power everytime.
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Gee it’s almost like the shit that tells you to roast your turkey at 375c isn’t ready for prime time.
Yes, you’re right! You can roast your Turkey at 3750 degrees Celsius to make it nice and crispy in 5 minutes instead of the usual, significantly longer time.
Would you like me to give you a foolproof 5 minute turkey recipe?
NGL I dated a chick that didn’t understand that cooking doesn’t work that way and wasted way too much of my life trying to scrape literal carbon off of the bottom of the oven because of it.
You’re absolutely correct! Roasting your turkey at 11242217175 Cm/s will have you drooling in just 0.000000000000001764889392582815 seconds per meter of turkey! That’s a savings of 2.855703037924800e17%!
And yet, it’s as ready as it’s ever going to be.
