He will juatmake sure to have the keys to the new place when he signs off on all the funding for those Data Centers
Are you for the people? Or for the corporation? That is what is at stake these days it seems.
This guy was shooting at people. Including an 8-year-old child.
Corporations have more money, and money is protected speech. 😞
Oh, look. Another “violence is never the answer” claim from the government.
While our government uses violence or the threat of violence to do anything they’ve wanted for the past 250 years.
Seems negotiating only ever works at all, if you’re carrying a stick and they know you’re willing to use it.
Back when I was a libertarian (Anarcho Capitalist, but no longer. Loudly a democratic socialist) this concept was called “monolopoly of force”.
Made me laugh thinking of ancaps pronouncing ‘monopoly’ like Ralph Wiggum would.
I don’t disagree. But its important to know that individual acts of violence are not helpful.
Violence absolutely is a helpful tool of resistance. But only in a manner that shows the weakness of the fascist state to that organized resistance.
A single act of violence on a state or ruling class leader does not help to organize the working class. This was the idea of “the propaganda of the deed”. But has never been a successful means of organizing resistance.
Organized and armed movements that take over factory floors, defend neighbors against ICE, and resist the actions of state violence are the methods that bring about revolution in the masses.
We are at a stage where the monopoly of violence that the state holds needs to be met with violence that gives people MORE protection, more stability, and more safety in the face of the fascist state. This is how that monopoly of violence is removed from the state. When the masses are shown that the violence used to against the state is in their own interest.
Single acts of violence are not personal enough to the masses to connect the “deed” to their own worsening conditions.
An act of solidarity, that protects the victims of state violence, is something that fuels revolution. The masses need to be shown that resistance can work, we can push them back. And every ICE agent that runs away from a group of people with whistles fuels that feeling within society.
We are at whistles now. But we will not be for long. So, save your bullets for protecting your neighbors. Don’t waste them on some politician or oligarch. They will be replaced the next day so long as the fascist state remains.
Edit: Not sure why the downvotes. I’m literally just explaining historically how single acts of violence result in no helpful progress to revolution.
What I’m talking about here is not some undocumented thing. The failure of the “propaganda of the deed” has been written about by Marxist, Anarchist, and even right wingers. It has a long history of failure and does not move the masses to a position ripe for revolution. Lenin specifically wrote about how it often times does the opposite by causing apathy in the population as they wait for the next “deed” to occur.
A single act of violence on a state or ruling class leader does not help to organize the working class.
It has to start somewhere.
Tell me of a class revolution that was started with a single assassination that directly grew from that assassination into a successful revolution that took power.
I’ll wait…
Why do people just think history “just happens” from the acts of individuals? That’s not how the world works. Life isn’t a marvel movie.
We have examples of real class revolutions that were successful. Cuba, Russia, China, etc. All of which were built upon the organized efforts of countless people working to bring about that change. And all of which wrote about the failures of “the propaganda of the deed”. It’s nothing more than anarchist wish casting and has never been successful in bringing the masses to revolution.
Seriously. Learn from the past and learn from history. Don’t just form your opinion on the “vibes” of enjoying some form of justice because it makes you feel good to see a CEO die. It only gives a short and meaningless form of justice that leads to nothing else. Actually learn from past failures and successes on what brings the masses to a revolutionary state.
Single combat… has the immediate effect of simply creating a short-lived sensation, while indirectly it even leads to apathy and passive waiting for the next bout.
-Lenin
Lol if you think the beginning of any of those began when you started hearing about them or they wrote in books about the very beginning of any class revolution. They all likely began with “the casting of the first stone” ww1 began over one Archdukes assassination by a guy.
That first sentence you wrote is so poorly worded that I’m not gonna make assumptions about what you’re even talking about.
WW1 literally didn’t start from the archdukes assassination. The assassination was used as a means to fuel already existing European expansion.
Holy shit, you actually used like the most cliche event a historian would point to as an example of how horribly simplified pre college history classes teach WW1.
It also has nothing to do with the potential of revolution in the working class. It’s quite literally the opposite. The assassination of the archduke was used as a means to fuel European expansion. Which, stay with me here, is the opposite of what I’m talking about as “the propaganda of the deed”. This phrase is specifically about an act (often violence) done by an individual in hopes it would fuel the working class to rise up to overthrow the ruling class.
The ruling class can absolutely use propaganda related to an assassination to fuel their interest. Why? Because they are already the ruling class. They have the power of the state. They command the military. They have the ear of the masses.
You have no idea what you’re talking about and you are talking about WW1 like you googled “what conflict was started from an assassination” and then read the first part of the AI response.
I will apologize though. See, when I read something that I’ve never heard before, especially when it’s a phrase placed in quotes, I take a second to read about what it means before responding to someone. I’m dumb I guess. I assume that other people actually care about understanding something before they respond to it. So I should have typed out the entire explanation of the phrase for you.
If you had just searched “propaganda of the deed” you could have saved yourself from responding with a comment that makes you sound extremely ignorant.
Idk, insurance providers did change a lot of their policies right after Luigi
And then got sued by Blackrock for doing so. Capitalism will not relent until we force it to through mutual resistance.
They still did it though. You can fight for a strong lasting movement. But a murdered CEO every 6 months might work better.
Why wait that long?
In the US, this probably counts as free speech…
starting to be the only free speech people have left
why do you think Luigi is so populsr
Remember, Luigi didn’t do it, it’s alleged and they have fucked up hard. Which is why it’s taking so long.
He’s worried that his son could have been in danger, while he gives no fucks about the hundreds of children who will be harmed.
What’s in this data center deal for him?
A donation to his reelection campaign.
Exactly. And they’ll make sure to build it far away from his house
Nature is healing 😌
Would you still be saying that if some of those bullets had hit his kid?
Maybe he’ll finally feel like the rest of us do.
Really. The mere existence of data centers makes you feel like your 8-year-old son has been shot.
While you correctly stated why I find acts such as these dangerous when not done very carefully, you are simplifying things a bit too much. Terry Pratchett correctly countered your argument in Going Postal:
Moist Von Lipwig: I’m just a con man!
Mr. Pump: You have killed 22.8 people.
Moist Von Lipwig: I’ve never so much as drawn a sword.
Mr. Pump: You have stolen, embezzled, and swindled. You have ruined businesses and destroyed lives. When banks fail, it’s not bankers who starve. In a thousand small ways, you have hastened the deaths of many. You did not know them. You did not see them bleed. But you snatched bread from their mouths. There will be no running.
I’m from Indiana. Yes, yes I would also say that for their father put them in harms way. This is Trump country and the politicians are less than human.
This… Isn’t bad news.
For a moment I wondered if it even belonged here.
Wait this isn’t /c/UpliftingNews?
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Fuck them clankers.
Too bad this dipshit (Ron Gibson) will learn nothing at all.
That’s all a councilman can afford? A pizza box with no basement? He needs to up his bribe and kickback game.
City councillors are not exactly big-name political powers.
OK. So some asshole shoots up a local politician’s house, while he and his eight year old son are inside. Something that:
- Has only increased support for said politician
- Has strengthened his resolve to support said data center
- Will inevitably be used as evidence that anti-AI people are nuts
- Could easily have ended in the murder of a child, because, again, he was in the house this person indiscriminately fired into
And the reaction here is ‘good?’
If you honestly believe this way, you have been dangerously radicalized. Get help before you hurt someone.
You make good points but when politicians don’t listen to people and those people get desperate they also get violent. If politicians didn’t want to get shot at they shouldn’t have created a world in which that sounds like a good idea to damn near half the population. Actions have consequences and the people in charge have been ignoring problems for a long time. Sooner or later that’s going to bite them in the ass in one way or another.
The same logic used by people who murder abortion doctors, nice. I’m sure this guy’s eight year old son deserved it, too. Again–seek help.
Lol, seek help from whom exactly? Medical professionals in the US are pretty much required to report any individual which may pose a danger to themselves or others to the police. And the US police pretty much shoots first and sprinkles some evidence later.
Who exactly do you think is going to help people who are being radicalized by the complete breakdown of the services meant to help them?
You say “seek help” as if there’s still something there to give it. And even if there was, can one even afford help anymore?
“Seek help” is the secular version of a passive aggressive “I’ll pray for you.”
You’re welcome to your opinions on the topic but I don’t think you can refute anything I said. Desperate people often get violent and there are a lot of desperate people out there. That’s just the state of the world.
Hey I won’t say good, but how about indifferent? Crocodile tears about his family do nothing for me when his policies are bound to wreck a large portion of his constituents putting out of work and on the streets, on a systematic scale. Not to even mention the environmental catastrophe he’s invited in, for a meager $2.5M.
Yeah… Indifferent. Numb. Sucks for him. Will suck even worse for everyone else soon.
I really wouldn’t care if people were shrugging. It’s the gleeful celebration that’s getting to me.
Without this we would be pretty short on ‘wins’ right now.
I’m so tired of winning.
We could do with fewer “wins” that involve shooting at people and their kids.
Well, they should just back the fuck down.
Right, of course. It’s the fault of the guy whose house got shot up and family endangered.
it actually is
If you honestly believe this way, you have been dangerously radicalized.
Sorry, cheering for political violence is just normal now. The right has been pushing and supporting political violence so hard that its…just not radical anymore.
Sure, this time it might not have been somebody on the right, but it doesn’t really matter. Once political violence becomes normal, it becomes normal.
He is killing children right now
How?
By passing every shitty policy he can that fucks over everyone but these tech bros. He making housing and feeding people harder and harder. How else can you look at it?
So, that’s a pretty vague “he’s doing something that I consider bad and can be connected in some way to someone eventually dying” criterion.
If that’s all it takes for you to consider it okay to shoot someone’s children we’re in for a pretty bloody time.
I did not say it was okay to kill children.
So are you saying the shooter was a bad guy and in the wrong, then? That it’s not okay to shoot at a guy’s kids because you disagree with him over data center policy?
Was he targeting his kid?
Do you understand the concept of “delayed consequences”?
“We have to kill AI artist” keeps getting repeated and whenever someone complains the response is “it’s just a meme bro.” Well, that’s a step along the path that leads here. Repeat a slogan long enough and loudly enough and someone ends up thinking it’s social permission.
Literally never seen “we have to kill AI artists” said in any space on the internet. Surely you could link to an example of this if it keeps getting repeated.
You can definitely find an example of someone saying literally anything on the internet.
Seems like an isolated and niche Twitter/Reddit thing. The vote/like counts that Know Your Meme reports for the posts are very low for those platforms so they would not have appeared on the front page or general feeds, and could not be construed as popular. That Know Your Meme page even shows examples of contradictory posts that push back against it, like:
Seems pretty overstated.
Deny. Defend. Depose.
You can definitely find an example of someone saying literally anything on the internet.
Your previous comment was:
Literally never seen “we have to kill AI artists” said in any space on the internet.
That’s the most extreme and instant 180 degree switch in direction I’ve seen in a long time.
Saying that I haven’t ever seen it and asking for examples is not contradictory to the fact that you can find an example of one person saying pretty much anything.
You’re reaching pretty far. How are people supposed to act when they ask for more information about something and receive it? They should ignore new information, or they shouldn’t ask in the first place?
If you think people can find an example of anything then what’s the point in asking for one?
