• Elysia [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    German news has this beat, they’re patting themselves on the back for technically opposing the actions of Israel and the US (not enough to not let the US use military bases in Germany, of course), while at the same time arguing the American genocidal war makes Iran the evil regime for not caring enough about its people suffering and dying to surrender madeline-deadpan

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      the American genocidal war makes Iran the evil regime for not caring enough about its people suffering and dying to surrender

      lmao, I wonder if they feel the same way about Ukraine

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        It was Tagesschau, talking to a “political expert”. Take a look at how often they call Iran a spooky theocracy word in just a few paragraphs. “The regime is a radical theocracy” and Trump’s plans are failing because he does not understand how little they care about their people (lol), this stuff is just evil and a clear way of manufacturing consent for US violence, even if they can’t outright support the US fully

        “Sie sind bereit, in Kauf zu nehmen, dass die iranische Bevölkerung leidet. Hauptsache, ihre Machtkonstruktion wird erhalten.” (They are prepared to accept the suffering of the Iranian population. The main thing is to maintain their power structure.)

        • a quote about Iran and not the US, somehow
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    Say this about Ukraine and the West loses its fucking mind, despite it actually being appropriate there. Iran has absolutely zero blame in this war.

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    Obviously, Iran deserves part of the blame for putting their country so close to the US military bases and ‘Israel’.

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      The failure of Iran’s deterrent invited a devastating regional war. Tehran wanted the benefits of a nuclear weapon without the actual weapon. It wanted the power of a regional proxy network without the discipline to husband it carefully. These contradictions compounded until the structure Iran had built for four decades gave way all at once.

      Ok, this does actually have some analysis, but it rather conveniently leaves out Iran’s biggest mistake: assuming the US would continue to be lead and governed by rational actors making decisions on real information.

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        Tehran wanted the benefits of a nuclear weapon without the actual weapon

        How are there people still seeing Iran as being like this? They neither wanted a nuclear weapon nor did they try and intimidate anyone about it, they did literally everything in their power to prove they are NOT trying to be a hostile or intimidating force; Israel believed they saw weakness and pounced

        This is literally:

        Iran: Bans themselves from developing such weapons

        Israel: Oh my God they’re trying to make a nuclear weapon!

        Iran:

        Israel: They’re just weeks away from it!

        Iran:

        Israel years later: Any day now!

        Iran:

        Israel decades later: Any day now!

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          I mean, yeah, Israel and the United States have been blowing this out of proportion for the whole of the 21st century (and before, too).

          But this article isn’t wrong either. Energy-grade uranium only needs something like 30% enrichment (if I recall correctly). You need 90% for a bomb. The higher the percentage, the more energy and work intensive the process becomes. Iran has been enriching to something like 60, 70% and they’ve been doing so for… uh at least a few decades? And there really isn’t a reason to do that outside of creating diplomatic pressure. So; trying to have the benefits of a bomb, without actually having a bomb.

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            I’ve been somewhat trying to read on this today and it seems like 5-20% is what you’d need maximally for a civilian reactor. And that bombs can be made with pretty low enriched uranium levels with 90% being the sort of consensus for modern weapons.

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    Wanting Iran to have even greater deterrence would be a good take if it came from an anti-imperialist perspective. Instead, this is a very odd tut-tutting from people trying to blame Iran for not pushing back “enough” against the exact people who live in imperialist countries and support imperialism itself, including against Iran. The goal is to create deserving victims.

    • parenti-hands If Iran is building nukes, it’s proof of their evil intent and therefore they must be invaded, if they aren’t building nukes, it’s proof of their inability to defend themselves and their people and therefore must be invaded.