Mission Accomplished.
“Trump deports Pope” is on my bingo card.
the Pope is American but still seems like a playable option
So when do prominent american catholics start getting excommunicated?
On the matter VP Vance had this to say “I think it’s always a bad idea to offer an opinion on stories that are unconfirmed and uncorroborated, so I’m not going to do that.”
this is coming from the “Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!” guy
Nothing reasonable about pedophile protecting fascist JD Vance. Let’s not allow them to position him as a viable leader.
That can apply to ALL of them. In one way or another, they are depraved, corrupt, ignorant, stupid, traitors, or YES. You could make a drinking game that is paired with Cards Against Humanity, and everyone at the table will end up dead.
You must be to type of person who beleives B. HUSSEIN Obama was born in the US. /s
So they threatened the pope of the catholic church with assassination… Thats some Israeli level shit. Is Trump even the president at this point?
Vance already took out the last pope.
Threatening the POPE is EXACTLY what Jesus would Do!
-Republicans who want the Bible to be Law!
Most of those Republicans are some flavor of Protestant, so it tracks
Also they think the Pope is woke
When the Constitution is out of the way, Prosperity Gospel will be the official religion of the United States.
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
Jesus (as written) would likely be very upset about a church that builds enormous cathedrals, hoards gold, has a corrupt “priest class” and has at times waged war.
This is making some heavy assumptions about what the average MAGAT knows about Jesus. As far as most of them are concerned, Jesus’ favorite gun would be an AR-15.
For them, the Bible is merely a thick paper tweet to be used to smack anybody who disagrees with them like a cartoon character smacking a dog with the newspaper.
This is making some heavy assumptions about what the average MAGAT knows about Jesus. As far as most of them are concerned, Jesus’ favorite gun would be an AR-15.
Sure - but one thing they also know is that “Catholics aren’t Christian”.
Another thing to know about is that most of the Supreme Court justices are Catholics
6 of the 9 justices, 5 of them chosen by Republicans. Pretty wild for a country that’s 1/5th Catholic.
Looks like seven of them grew up Catholic, and all of those but Neil Gorsuch still are. Absolutely nuts.
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
The vice president is (or claims to be) catholic.
Neat
There’s still a lot of Catholics in the movement.
The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope, they hated the last Pope as well. They would kill him themself if they could. There are exceptions but by and large the American Catholic Church leadership are Nazis.
The American Catholic Church leadership is extremely conservative however and they hate the pope,
Even though the current pope is literally one of them. An American Catholic.
Sure, but he’s somewhat progressive shudders
did you just orgasm during a lemmy post?
Don’t kink shame. Some of us get highly aroused by… mechanical keyboards!!!
shudders
He is one of the exceptions yes. The Catholic faithful I do not think are that split for republicans, they might have a majority but it is not overwhelmingly for Republicans as I understand It.
My grandmother, who was a devout Roman Catholic her whole life, even getting awarded for her service to the church, said that the Pope needed to mind his own business when he was criticizing Trump wanting to build the wall in his first term.
I’m glad she died before his second term.
Bullshit. You can’t compare Catholic leadership to MAGAts. They may be pretty conservative but by and large are horrified by this administration.
This is not “both conservatives are the same”
You can’t compare Catholic leadership to MAGAts.
Sure we can. Catholic leadership protects those who rape little boys the way MAGAts protect those who rape little girls.
The majority of the Catholic leadership are members of the maga coalition.
Unironically this. Jesus was not big on religious authorities.
He’d take one look at the Vatican and burn the whole thing down.
So I am an atheist, but the last 2 popes have been pretty nice people, right? The Vatican doesn’t seem obviously corrupt. Nothing at all like the insane blatantly abusive megachurches in the US.
Unfortunately for us, they’ve been even nicer to the pedophiles in their ranks.
Have you seen how gaudy the Vatican is? Jesus was killed right after flipping his shit because there were money changers operating in the temple.
He’d be livid to find out how the church used his sacrifice for humanity to get wealthy.
But I kinda like pretty and big churches. E.g. Sagrada Família is amazing - that was built for all of us to enjoy, not just the church narrowly.
They feel different to me than a megachurch pastor buying his second personal jet.
I have toured the vatican, expecting opulence. I was somewhat disappointed that it wasn’t wealthy feeling. They have purposely made the vatican appear humble, despite their wealth on paper.
The vatican needs to brun for other reasons, but is in hot water in this case because they oppose zionist mandated supremacist genocide of innocents.
Jesus would support the pope’s actions in this one case.
I’ll be honest, this pope is not gonna be the one he makes his primary target in this day and age
Jesus was not big on religious authorities.
For a lot of good reasons.
The Sanhedrin (Jewish court organized by Rome to allow Jewish self governance on certain issues) convicted Jesus of blasphemy (based on nothing more than his words) and recommended his execution to the roman governor, who rubber stamped it. They violated a bunch of their own rules to do this, including holding a secret council at night, and on a holiday. It was all complete horseshit done by some politically connected crybullies.So yeah, Jesus was not big on religious authorities of the day, as they were no better than the authorities in the same positions now. Nor has the dynamic changed much, or the players. We’re still doing nothing about it though. Religious “authorities” – especially zionists–are all bastards who should be ignored in any civilized society. The core issue here is that they had any authority at all, and that Pontius Pilate was incompetent and didnt do his job which was to order the sanhedrin to sit the eff down and shut the eff up, and follow the existing Roman civil laws-- not their own stupid laws.
TLDR: Historic lesson here is that when religious leaders get mad and demand sectarian violence, slap them till they sit the eff own, no exceptions.
Read this is Bill Donahue’s voice from the South Park Easter episode.
Ackshually, what Jesus did to the first pope was take his eyesight:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9&version=EHVThis is about Saint Paul. According to tradition, Saint Peter was the first bishop of Rome (and, thus, the first pope). Different guys. Paul was basically the first Christian theologian.
Does threatening The Pope and starting a war with Iran disqualify you from retaining a gold plastic FIFA Peace Prize?
The fifa peace prize used to mean something
let’s not forget Vance already killed the last pope by extreme cringe
Completely understandable if you lose the will to live after meeting Vance
The Pope met Vance and realized that there’s no God, and died of a broken heart
Well he did catch JD and the papal couch in a comprising position. Its enough to fracture even the strongest hearts.
The last pope died shortly after meeting with Vance. Sure he had pneumonia (but felt well enough to take a meeting), but Vance could conceivably have had something on his hand that interacted with the popes diminished health. Its pure speculation of course, and no one can prove it either way and the timing is suspect, when you see them now threatening the current pope with assassination. Assassination just comes to their mind huh?
Vance doesn’t exactly look like the kind of guy who prioritizes washing his hands after a visit to the bathroom …or couch. Who knows what he had growing under those fingernails.
It is being reported by The Free Press that in the meeting [Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge] Colby told [the Vatican ambassador to the U.S.] Pierre, “The United States has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.”
well the US has now totally gone rogue.
well the US has now totally gone rogue.
🌎🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
They’re just saying the quiet part out loud now
at this point a “military operation” into Vatican City of all places by the US wouldn’t surprise me.
Maybe the military is setting up plans to go in a and snatch the Pope like they snatched the president in Venezuela.
Someone in the meeting then reportedly mentioned the Avignon Papacy to Pierre. This refers to a 14th century attack on the Vatican by the French king, in which Pope Boniface VIII was murdered by assassins and the Vatican was forced to relocate to Avignon where it could be controlled by the French crown for the next 67 years.
FTA
Holy shit did someone in the administration actually correctly use a historical reference?
Im sure they just asked grok about pope murders so they could make a absolutely ludicrious threat.
The longer we keep pretending they’re idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about the longer we’ll be in this.
The ones in front might be drooling simpletons but the ones in the back have done their homework and know exactly the threat they’re making.
Its clear they meant to make a very, very stupid threat, but im also sure they did it in the laziest, shittiest way possible.
The stupidity comes from trying to threaten a religious figurehead of a church of 1 billion people with assasination in our media enstrangled world when the president can’t even handle the bad polling from gas prices going up.
I have no doubt some of his inner circle would gladly murder the pope to make a point, but their evil is also grossly incompotent.
The stupidity comes from trying to threaten a religious figurehead of a church of 1 billion people with assassination in our media enstrangled world when the president can’t even handle the bad polling from gas prices going up.
I have no doubt some of his inner circle would gladly murder the pope to make a point, but their evil is also grossly incompetent.
This, exactly. I’m not even a believer, but I know the history very well, and I’d readily bet on a group that has lasted in its current form for roughly a thousand years (see note below) and has something like 1.3 billion adherents, over a diaper-wearing kiddie-raping bully that hasn’t even made 80 and is firing his own cabinet members during the most stupid war he could ever have started while he systematically works to destroy his own country. They believe in an unconquerable god and heavenly king; Trump believes he is god and wants to be a king. In a war of ideas with a roomful of religious historians (aka Jesuits) Trump’s bullies are not winning jack shit.
Whoever mentioned Avignon meant it as a threat, but for anyone who knows history – and these cardinals certainly do – in 2000 years of Christianity, for the Catholics Avignon was a blip in time that the Church overcame and was made stronger by. Knowing some historically-minded Catholics (and Eastern Orthodox, too!) and how into the history they really, really are, the mention of Avignon is not nearly as much of a threat to the Pope as it is a reminder of the supremacy of the church throughout the ages, and how challengers come and go but the Church remains.
The cardinals really do think like this; this is not an exaggeration. That DoD fool only thought he was lecturing the cardinal, lol. I’ve been personally witness to sincere, hours-long religious arguments over historical concepts like apostolic succession (though not with cardinals, lol), and compared to that Avignon wasn’t even a hiccup. I’d put money on all those cardinals catching each other’s eyes and smirking when the Americans weren’t looking, because every cardinal in that room was thinking about papal history in the long term: in that context, the DoD rep was simply making an ass of himself.
Let’s see Polymarket take this one up. Pope v. Trump: who wins? It’s a no-brainer. I’ll take the guy in the white dress.
Note: I’m going with the Great Schism of 1054; others might calculate it differently
The US reps probably went into the meeting with chatgpt open and just kept typing “I want the pope to stop being mean to israel, what do I say now?” to the prompt. I doubt they knew what they were saying.
I think the defense of the Vatican is the responsibility of Italy. They don’t play games with their sovereignty. Also, the Swiss Guard is far from being a cerimonial guard. They are on the level of special elite forces and they will kick some serious ass or die trying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_Sigonella?wprov=sfla1
An attack on Italian troops would be an attack all of the EU. Even the UK would have something to say. You worried about the strait of Hormuz? Try Gibraltar…
An attack on the Vatican will also be an attack on all the Catholic world. The US would lose, no chance.
The CIA kidnapped Italian I don’t know if they were citizens but people legally allowed to be in Italy off the streets and flew them to Guantanamo and tortured them forever without telling italy, without permission and despite Italy trying to do do stuff about it nothing came of it. We also have military bases in Italy still last I heard.
Do you think if the Italian government was involved in that they would come out and say it?
These are need to know things and the public doesn’t need to know …
It’s possible italian intelligence was aware, their civilian leadership likely wasn’t, and would be a huge scandal if it was. Their judicial system definitely wasn’t aware let alone agreed, they have warrants out for some of the CIA involved.
The US would lose, no chance.
Maybe we haven’t been losing enough. Our losers might want to lose more bigly.
We’re getting away from “speak softly and carry a big stick.” We’re more interested now in yelling loudly while shooting ourselves in the foot.
Hopefully things are better in a year.
Maybe we should start a betting pool, my money is on kidnapping the ICC officials, but I’m also leaning towards taking the Nobel committee hostage at some point to make them sign over the Peace Prize.
That would “prove” trump’s god is better than their god.
Just like the Spaniards did in Mexico.
I just assume they want first hand conversations about covering up pedophilia.
Trading trade secrets?
he United States has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world
There’s this thing with a strait that seems to suggest otherwise.
Stop questioning our all dear leader REEEEEE!
Korea, Vietnam, Iraq
America wins so hard every time.
Once, this was satire:
They should excommunicate Vance
Vlad Dracul solution is better
Invade pope, distract Iran
What will be the distraction for invading the Vatican?
Raping more children
The Epstein class, Republican politicians and their Evangelical nationalist ministries have given the Catholic priests a run for their money on that crime against humanity.
Invade …Minnesota again?
Bidens economy.
Now?
If I was the pope and meeting JD the couch fucker was in the agenda, I’d also decline. Considering what happened to the previous pope who met that turd with makeup.
Also, unless the meeting is on your own turf, how do you diplomatically refuse to sit on a couch that was there with JD before you got there? I don’t think pope training covers this.
Especially in the Oval Office: chances are non-zero that any seat you might take in the room has had either diaper breach, Crown Prince Couchfucker after hours, or both.
A guy who has to dress in white for the job has to think about these things, because if he sits on the wrong couch in the white robe, when he stands up again now it’s HIS story. So in the end it’s gotta be either “I’ll just stand, thanks,” or like you said, not go at all.
I dunno I think theres a vague quiet dignity to a politician who dresses like a clown or a heavily makeupped whore (no offense intended to legit prostitutes). All he needs now is a “I dont care, do you” coat to go full whore and I will give him a full dignity/self-awareness point and smallest ounce of respect.
“Did u even say thank you, pope?” -Vance
Kinda funny considering this pope is an American.
I’m almost surprised he’s no an expat at this point.
He literally is, what do you mean?
To add:
An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.
Pope: US Born -> Lives in Popelandia -> Expat
They fucking hate when you call them immigrants though
Or LBH
gonna find out the Vatican is sitting on weapons far more powerful than nukes
A stockpile of Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch?
Not 1, not 2, but 3.
the power of weaponized religion? ngl pretty powerful
This is a huge story and I’m trying to find another source that also claims threats were made.
As things got heated, Colby reportedly lectured Cardinal Pierre on the military power of the U.S. and told him that the Catholic Church must pick a side, according to Hale, and mentioned the “Avignon papacy.”
All information about the meeting was obtained by Ferraresi from Vatican and U.S. officials briefed on the Pentagon meeting. What Could Such a Reference Indicate?
There is no doubt that a reference to the “Avignon papacy” by a Pentagon official was meant to make the Vatican feel uneasy about crossing the Trump administration.
Some have suggested that the reference of this chapter of medieval history might signal the Trump administration’s intention to trigger a new schism, while others think it would suggest its willingness to use military force against the Holy See. Ferraresi, however, said that interpreting it as a military threat is “just absurd.”
According to Mike Young, author of a newsletter on civic accountability, the mention of the “Avignon papacy” was a reference to “an implicit model for what happens to religious institutions that oppose state power.”
In a post on X, he wrote: “That’s not a slip of the tongue. That’s a studied historical reference deployed deliberately in a room with the Pope’s senior diplomat. The message was not subtle.”
I’ve seen other references elsewhere. Any quotes on what was said seem to reference the Free Press article. But the other sources are still reporting that there was a meeting, and the Vatican didn’t like what they heard,whatever it was.
According to Vatican and U.S. officials who were briefed on the meeting and spoke to the publication, the Pentagon criticized the Pope’s statements in January, interpreting them as hostile attacks on Trump’s policies.
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A Vatican official speaking to The Free Press said the Pope has no plans to visit the U.S. while Trump is in office.
Someone in the meeting then reportedly mentioned the Avignon Papacy to Pierre. This refers to a 14th century attack on the Vatican by the French king, in which Pope Boniface VIII was murdered by assassins and the Vatican was forced to relocate to Avignon where it could be controlled by the French crown for the next 67 years.
Sounds like they’re threatening to do to the pope what they did to Maduro.
