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      the answer is higher plebs argue about hasan, chevron prints money, lower plebs think they are all coastal elites shrug-outta-hecks the goal of neoliberal politics to distract and delay, not change anything in the society as it works perfectly well

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        There was a blurb on one of the home pages I see at work along the lines of “People online are furious about Pete Hegseth’s wife’s dress… something something fast fashion”

        And I’m thinking WHO TF are the people that read this crap, let alone participate in it? These media outlets figured out how to distract a huge chunk of humans endlessly and it’s bleak thinking about how much of our species is wasting away on slop.

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    didn’t joe rogan host several holocaust deniers (real ones as well as oblique ones)? speaking up is not easy (says the ghoul in congress constantly opining, lmayo)

    • Definitely, probably many. But a specific one I remember that is was like almost exactly a year ago he had an outright Nazi apologist on. Didn’t deny the Holocaust but tried to excuse it. If I remember correctly, he claimed that “Judeo-Bolshevism” was a Soviet psyop that successfully tricked the Nazis into thinking that the Jews were actually acting as a fifth column for the Soviets, so the camps were originally intended as self-defense. But that guy also is okay with Israel, or at least both sides the conflict, so he can’t be denounced as an anti-Semite.

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    Are Congressmen seriously proposing anti-Hasan resolutions? Wtf?

    They are trying so hard to cut off their left flank before the midterms, but shit like this will only make people dislike Democrats more.

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            I’m not sure how 79% of respondents haven’t heard of Hasan yet 51% of Democrats think the party shouldn’t follow his proposed politics. Methinks that’s 51% of polled Democrats who know who he is.

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                  To be transparent, I find it distressing that this conversation seems to come up every second week on a forum that is nominally for leftists, but I will nonetheless give you a summary.

                  1. Imagining counterfactually that all of the tacit assumptions about humanity you are making are true, the answer is still not an enlightened oligarchy, because that simply is not a real system of governance (oligarchy is, relying on arbitrary enlightenment on a personal level is not). You cannot construct any such system that doesn’t just become a bureaucratic monstrosity that has very little regard for whatever sort of enlightenment you were initially selecting oligarchs for. Either democracy must be made to work or there is no real approach to progressive politics that isn’t just the Dictatorship of You, Personally in place of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

                  2. The ruling ideology in all societies is the ideology of the ruling class. Ideology overwhelmingly functions effectively as a survival strategy, whether in terms of guiding practical action toward the world or developing coping mechanisms to rationalize action and inaction informed by the former. It should be extremely obvious why leftist spaces tend to be populated by people of various marginalized identities, because these are the people that the ruling ideology nakedly hurts in a way that is either intolerable or fully not survivable, so they seek out alternatives. This does not mean that they were born with superior souls to the social majority [“social majority” means people society socially privileges, even if they are in the numerical minority, like men or white South Africans or whoever], it means that the circumstances they were met with disincentivized them from turning a blind eye to the barbarism of the status quo, usually in the interest of protecting themselves or people in their lives. It is the job of every socialist to change that calculus by various means in the minds of more and more of the population until we have a popular base for making the proletariat the ruling class with its own ruling ideology.

                  3. The people are not above criticism, but they aren’t as bad as you are portraying them to be and this is blatantly an absurd extrapolation even setting aside that we don’t really know why the polling data looks as it does.

                  The website being this tolerant of misanthropy and bald-faced elitism is really not to anyone’s benefit.

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              Or: 28% of polled democrats answered ‘no’ to the question ‘should the party follow the politics of <arabic name I’ve never heard before>’.

              And the dem establishment is now pointing to that to say ‘see, the voters love Israel! My strategy of unlimited $$$ to raytheon, unlimited livestreamed genocide on the arab world is not electoral suicide!’

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              Didn’t Cory Booker say something about how he disagrees with him but had never watched him? Sure some advisors said he was pro-Palestine and that’s all he had to know.

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                What Booker claimed (which may or may not be a lie) is that he doesn’t know anything about Piker except for a couple of clips shown to him by some advisor, probably the 9/11 one and “it doesn’t make a difference ifremoveds happened on 10/7” [to the question of genocide being “justified,” but that context is left out], and was prompted to weigh in on if it would be reasonable to go on Piker’s broadcast, and he was content to say “no” based on that information.

                I’m not defending him, he’s obviously a performative zionist scoundrel, I just assume you’d like to know what the precise story is and I’m pretty sure that’s what it is.

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    I went to twitter to see Candace Owen’s reaction since she is also named in the resolution. She’s only posted about Erika Kirk for the past 8 hours and has not reacted to this bill. She’s going to be live on youtube, 10 minutes from now.

    edit // She didn’t mention the congress resolution during her stream at all today. Also no mention on twitter.

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    If hasan and the other online radlibs actually threatened the system the government wouldn’t draw this much attention to them lol. They just plugged the panthers and had done with it.

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      I think it has less to do with that, and more to do with the fact that the average politician isn’t coming up as a blood soaked lunatic. They are softboi media psychos who want to become bloodsoaked lunatics, but even the blood soaked lunatics knew better than to actually attack Iran.

      They can’t keep from paying attention to Hasan because he is a reflection of them. Hasan is kinda dangerous, not in that he himself is dangerous, but more of the fact that he is popular is indicative of an extremely popular deviation, likely comparable, but still a reflection of them, and what they think is really real, the internet.