• DragonBallZinn [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        And it’s so funny how all of them are pearl-clutching prudes.

        Everyone thinks I’m a sick pervert because…I don’t know, I play Skyrim and not Barney meets Jesus….so everyone calls for KOSA and shit, but somehow it’s good and Christian to goon to that shit? So do you want your religion enforced by the state or not?

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    reading the Coroners And Justice act 2009, apparently they lump together actual CSAM, porn drawn of real children or real csam, and fictional porn drawings with the same offense and the same penalty? (it says “indecent photographs” are handled by a different statute, but I’m don’t think indecent includes csam). I support all of them being illegal, but it’s obvious they should be punished differently.

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      I can’t source it for you but I believe the requirement is that the work’s primary purpose is for titillation. So for example there can scenes that pretty significantly cross the line into sexual territory but if that scene is part of a wider story that does not serve that as the primary purpose then it doesn’t constitute porn. There are real sex scenes in movies with actors that do real sex acts but they’re not considered porn.

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      Firstly - pedos and pedo apologists are not welcome here. Secondly - it has been shown quite conclusively that when people seek this crap out, it normalises real CSAM and they are more likely to go out and directly harm children.

      But the thing is, people don’t seek out violent material to jack off to. Violent material that is produced for the purposes of arousal probably should be banned because that’s something else we don’t want to normalise.

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        Secondly - it has been shown quite conclusively that when people seek this crap out, it normalises real CSAM and they are more likely to go out and directly harm children.

        Any resources for further reading on this? It’d be good to have in my back pocket.

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          Yes? How tf is this even a question?

          Anyone that disagrees with this should be fucking put away from society. Thinking this is okay is not normal behaviour

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            I’m not sure that taking people who have who have SV fantasies and locking them away in prisons/asylums, where they will be at drastically increased risk of SV, is a good way to combat SV.

            Also these fantasies are super-common, so you’d have to lock up a significant proportion of the entire population.

            Also also you’d have to lock them up for their entire lives, because “curing” someone of a kink is not psychiatrically possible.

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              If you have SV fantasies, then you should seek therapy, Not SA pornography.

              Are you trolling or something? I genuinely can’t wrap my head around someone saying SA pornography is okay. Pornography in itself is horrible because of how exploitative the industry is, but SA porn specifically is one of the worst things conceived.

              I truly mean this with no ill intention, but if you have such fantasies, please seek therapy, not porn.

              As for the porn, I sure as fuck will try my best to get it banned exactly like CP. Both of these are horrible things that normalise some of the worst things humans are capable of

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                I think you genuinely believe that you’re being a good person by believing what you’ve said here, but I think you’re making the mistake of imagining that women are sexless kinkless creatures that need protecting from the fantasies of men. I think that it comes from a somewhat patriarchal place of overprotecting women.

                Literally an entire half of women have an SA kink.

                Women are kinky, women are sexual beings. Half of women don’t need to be sent to therapy.

                Prudishness about sexuality and kink is an over correction that comes from a place of genuine belief in protecting women, but has itself not considered what women think and want either.

                I am however on the same page as you when it comes to pornography, but that an outright ban is the wrong approach compared to simply winding down the financial incentives that exist. If you cut the ability for this industry to make money, this industry will reduce down to hobbiests that do it sincerely for fun because of their exhibitionist kinks which will be rather small.

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                Pornography in itself is horrible because of how exploitative the industry is

                This is an extremely narrow definition of pornography that completely excludes drawn or written material, much of which is produced by individual creators without any intention of making a profit.

                I truly mean this with no ill intention, but if you have such fantasies, please seek therapy, not porn.

                It is not psychiatrically possible to “cure” someone of a kink. Even if it were, the standard for a psychological trait requiring psychiatric care is that it negatively impacts the person or those around them. Most people who have this kink are not going to meet either standard.

                You might argue that “it negatively impacts them even if they don’t think so,” but you are not in any position to make such an assessment about them and it’s frankly condescending to insist to someone “no no, you’re definitely damaged, you just don’t know it.” I know people who have this kink. They aren’t time bombs and they aren’t victims. They’re people who happen to enjoy an extreme scenario within the bounds of fantasy. You’re making a snap judgment you’re completely unqualified to make about people you know nothing about. I’d urge you to read the literature about the psychology of SV fantasies before you weigh in on the subject. No investigation, no right to speak.

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              You’re also in the minority if you care at all about sexual exploitation of women in the porn industry. Or if you care about the exploitation of people, literally just in general. Why would leftists care what “normal” people are into, especially if it’s the the commodification of people’s bodies in a violent way? There are so many people who have to be afraid of sexual violence every single day, and we can’t even start to conceive that normalizing that might be something worth changing.

              If you’re into that shit privately, cool. Do what you want. I obviously also have my own biases and maybe it really shouldn’t be banned because the harm is greater than the benefit. But just because a critical mass of people living in a sick society are into it doesn’t mean it’s okay, I think that’s a really bad argument

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                I think if you’re raising the argument that being interested in “violence” (which my interlocutors has conceded would include depictions of non consensual sex) makes you “Not normal” it is perfectly alright to raise the counter argument that it is in fact plenty “Normal” to be into such things.