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      Can’t argue that. He may not be missed after what he did, but a life is a life.

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    I feel bad for the tutor that was teaching him but you won’t see me shedding a single tear that there’s one less c-suite parasite on Earth.

    Good riddance.

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    Nice.

    (No hate here, just the nice meme for age 69. My condolences to his family.)

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    Ok look, I hate Ubisoft, but this is sad. My condolences to his family. People being happy about this are disgusting.

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      maybe you should actually look into the kind of human this person was

      the world is a better place without him

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        maybe you should actually look into the kind of human this person was

        the world is a better place without him

        This is the kind of disgusting behavior that perpetuates people treating each other so horribly.

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          Dude was a piece of shit. Why are you so eager to defend him?

          It’s okay to be happy awful people are dead.

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            I never defended him. Just because I am sending his family my condolences doesn’t mean I agree with what he did or believed, it only means that I am trying to be a good human.

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            Awful as in he was responsible for day one DLC and microtransactions or awful as in he raped and murdered children?

            There’s a spectrum and I’m not sure which end of it he’s on based on your comments.

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              I don’t play Ubisoft games. I don’t have a horse in that race.

              He’s awful because he was one of the money-addicted ownership class that collectively are ruining our world to fuel their addictions. Everyone in that class is a piece of shit and I don’t find much value in trying to determine the particular vintage of shit we’re dealing with. There are no “good guys” here.

              I won’t wish death or harm on any of them, but I’ll certainly not shed a tear if karma gets them.

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                What’s wrong with people making money because other people buy their video games? Are they hurting someone?

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            Or you can just accept it as a net gain for humanity and move on.

            No need to be either happy or sad.

            Let’s keep our dignity and behave nice, but also let’s not pretend this is a tragedy, because it isn’t.

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              Taking a steaming dump on their graves is keeping our dignity.

              This man didn’t give a tin shit about me, you, or anyone else while he lived. Why do we owe him decorum and consideration just because he got himself killed?

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            Casually comparing a game company founder to a brutal dictator who started a devestating war and an industrialized genocide is as strech to say the least.

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              This is the kind of disgusting behavior that perpetuates people treating each other so horribly.

              it's an obtuse example but clearly demonstrates the absurdity of the original comment

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    This thread, the comments, and the people who post them, would be fascinating subjects for a sociological-psychological study.

    Just to make sure I’m not misunderstood: I’m calling out the people who are proverbially dancing on the victims’ graves (yes, there were two fatalities). Regardless of your feelings for one or the other, you are celebrating the loss and pain of their friends and families. Frankly it’s disgusting behaviour.

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      you don’t get it mate I don’t like the games ubisoft makes so making fun of someone who burned to death in a freak accident is totally justified

      also his ancestors ran from the french revolution over 200 years ago. this is relevant because… uh…

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        The Guillemont brothers were/are not nice people, maybe that’s triggering those horrible comments like “Ah ok, anyways…”

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        This is why I hate Lemmy sometimes. “It’s wrong to wish people dead, except for ‘them’. ‘They’ are fare game.” It’s the same BS we’ve been doing for the whole history of our miserable species.

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          It’s wrong to wish people dead

          I had this attitude 20 years ago. I no longer do. I’ve come to realize that there are certain rich fucks who are actively harming humanity directly (Hitler, Kissinger, Reagan, world leaders who send the poor to useless wars), and if they died and their death prevented more suffering, that’s a good thing for humanity. Even the rich fucks that just hoard money are actively robbing from the poor to do so, and some of those people die as a result.

          How many people does a person have to kill before they are too far gone to save, and are just evil? How many levels of indirection does it take before they wouldn’t be considered evil? What happens if a person indirectly kills millions of people? Is that still far enough to call them evil?

          These are the questions you should ask yourself when you try to plot out your own moral compass.

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            certain rich fucks who are actively harming humanity directly (Hitler, Kissinger, Reagan, world leaders who send the poor to useless wars

            Ok, so which of those examples was this guy most like? Lol

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          Meh, I don’t wish death on anyone, but that doesn’t mean I have to be sad that a shitty person died.

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            Nobody’s criticizing people for not being sad. There’s a word for this, “gloating”.

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          this isn’t complicated

          the social contract basically boils down to, you at a baseline do right by me and in return I do the same for you

          assholes like this and other rich fucks try to game this system for profit by literally harming parts of our lives via loopholes

          when ass fucks say lets hurt person ‘insert something that has no impact on anything’ like skin color or sexuality that is wrong

          when people talk about wishing death on people that are literally fucking with our lives it should obviously not be the same

          whether tanking a video game falls into that bucket is nuanced but people like the united health fuck are easily fair game

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          Wait, why do you hate lemmy for this? I think who you actually hate are humans. Reddit and all the other modern social media platforms have the same issues, because they too have humans.

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            I wouldn’t be surprised if many of these people are, in fact, banned on reddit because of this behavior.

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            Lemmy seems waaaay more negative in general though. It’s actually kinda jarring being here sometimes.

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              Because most of us got banned on Reddit for speaking out.

              I guess I have to tolerate limpdicked equivocation and “let’s all be sad some rich asshole carked it” on reddit but why here? Those spineless losers can fuck off back to reddit.

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            Yes, but this is just the cherry on top of a steaming turd sundae of other issues I have with Lemmy that I won’t rehash again here. It’s not like my complaining will change anything anyway.

            Compare these reactions to the Ubisoft subreddit, which granted are going to skew fanward. On /r/games the conversation seems to be mixed, with a few dancing on his grave, most expressing dismay at his death while still acknowledging the harm he did to the company and industry as a whole. Plenty of people are simply discussing the dangers of small aircraft.

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          That pretty much nails my feelings. Charlie Kirk is a huge piece of shit and I’m glad he died honestly. But I’d be a worse person if I made a personality out of mocking him for being dead. Can’t we just take the win? Fate decided a bad person was over. I wish that could be that.

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            good things should be celebrated

            things that improve the general state of humanity are generally considered good

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            Charlie Kirk was okay with people dying from gun violence if it meant fewer restrictions on guns. He fought against minority groups’ rights. He was spreading dangerous rhetoric worldwide.

            The Ubisoft guy helped found a popular video game company and was probably just a generic rich prick at worst.

            The world is better off without Charlie Kirk. I doubt the world, let alone the video game industry, let alone even just Ubisoft, will get any better after today thanks to Guillemot’s death.

            There’s a huge difference here.

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              The point is was making had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk other than he was an example of people being gleeful about a death. Which is unhealthy.

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              I mean, yeah, Kirk was unquestionably the bigger turd but I’m happy both are gone. They’re all part of the same overarching issue with this world.

              Them just fixing their shit would be greatly preferable. But they wouldn’t be part of the problem for very long if they were capable of that kind of introspection.

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          Stop hating Lemmy. For me, it’s my way of communicating that I’m a Misanthropic Anti-Natalist. I can do my part to sway the public opinion that humans should all go extinct. I can spread the idea of humans being the monsters, the true enemies of the planet and all it’s life. I can see it slowly taking hold of the world, people coming to terms with our monstrous nature. Someday in the far future, perhaps we all choose to self-terminate. We are not divine nor special, just meat.

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          documented recent speculation that we don’t know he was involved with? his brother yves was the ceo at the time of all this drama. Claude was just a stakeholder.

          it’s clear that nobody knew who the fuck he was before this thread and suddenly everybody is trying to spin a story

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            Claude was a director and deputy CEO. He was on the board. He was directly involved in the technical and business management side for years. Calling him just a stakeholder undercuts his own opinion on what he did at Ubisoft as he expressed in a few interviews himself throughout the years.

            Just because you didn’t know who he was doesn’t mean the rest of us didn’t. Yes Yves was the face and CEO, and thus the person directly named in the lawsuit because that’s how it works, but Claude was often cited as the quiet force behind Yves anchoring him, serving as operations officer, advisor, and other titles over time.

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        Why do I need to justify being happy a rotten person ain’t fucking up the world anymore? Can’t I just be happy that the wicked witch is dead?

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      It’s monstrous, it shows who the piece of shit in the story is and it wasn’t the victim.

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      How do those boots taste?

      Fuck billionaires and fuck nobility. Trying to tone police everyone else doesn’t hide the harm that they’ve done to society. Would you do the same if Putin was assassinated tomorrow and lead to the end of the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine?

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        One is a military invasion of a sovereign nation and war crimes committed against civilians bordering on genocide.

        The other is making games with bad monetization and bad business practices.

        The fact that you would equate the two shows that you don’t possess the moral integrity, rationality, or intelligence of a well-adjusted adult. Have a horrible day.

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          Please don’t downplay the harmful pracrices those leaders/executives have on teens and children. They are actively exploting them for money. Just because the harm isn’t immediately visible, doesn’t mean it won’t have lasting effects.

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          The other is making games with bad monetization and bad business practices.

          You’re horribly underplaying what the Guillermot family has done as the heads of Ubisoft. There’s plenty of articles that have come out about how they’re actively (and illegally) suppressing unionization in Ubisoft. They’re also actively lobbying to prevent regulation in the US and Europe.

          But of course you didn’t include that because it doesn’t support your argument. Just shut up you intellectually and morally bankrupt bootlicker

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      I think scientists started that study but most of the team committed suicide. A study to find out why they killed themselves is not yet underway.

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    The Guillemonts are old money French aristocrats who escaped the Revolution by being out of the country. They are collectively terrible to others and are deliberately trying to tank Ubisoft so they can buy it back and take it private. All those anti consumer business moves Ubisoft males are their best ideas at making money. Hopefully the loss of the savvy one brings them back to reality but history and experience shows they won’t.

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      I’d have agreed with you if he was the direct cause of some people death, like that asshole that got Luigi-ed, but he is not. He sure took decisions that ended up making subpart games, fucked over devs, and all.

      He’s a capitalist shark like there are thousands of others, but does that warrant death?

      People like you are the cause why fascism is on the rise. No humanity, no regrets, no actions taken, until it affects you personally.

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        Few billionaires are direct causes of anyone dying. However, they’re always indirect causes of lots of people dying, by their own choice.

        Is there a meaningful difference between shooting somebody and poisoning the food and water of 10 random people? Maybe. Maybe not. Ultimately, you’re choosing to take people’s lives, knowing the outcome.

        I don’t think people care about whether you’re a ‘direct’ cause, as much as they care about whether or not you’re a deliberate cause.

        All of us will probably cause some deaths as we go about our lives. But at no point do most of us make a decision to end someone’s life. Whereas billionaires do make the decisions, and they do it completely voluntarily, seeking profit. They often seem happy about the decisions too.

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          And in the current case, did he cause any direct or indirect death? Did he chose to cause someone death?

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        It doesn’t warrant death, no. But people can cheer the death of an awful person without saying “hey we should keep the streak going!”

        And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.

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          And what are you talking about? Our current case of fascism is a direct result of unregulated capitalism, courtesy of neoliberalism.

          Not gonna argue on that because it is true. Still, fascism wouldn’t strive as it does without those who only logic is “I don’t like them so he deserves to die”. That’s the logic behind german innaction when jews were getting oppressed, and I prefer fight that now than wait for it to be the majority logic.

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        what the fuck kinda apologist bullshit is blaming fascism on people angry about capitalism excess and not the actual fascist

        the fucking mental gymnastics

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          Being angry at capitalist excess is a good thing. Saying that someone dying horribly is ok because you disagreed with how it ran is business isn’t.

          Fascist rely on that communitarian instinct to trives. Nazism rise came partly from clever propaganda gymnastic. To the rich, they said the problem was bolcheviks who spread unrest into the masses. To the poors, they said it was the rich jews who fattened on their labor.
          To both they found a scapegoat remote enough to avoid having them interact enough to realize fascism bullshit, and that’s how they won.

          Fascism always tries to dehumanise part of society to make them the scapegoat for real issues, and gain momentum. Refusing those easy narrative is the first and more important step to refuse fascism.

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            i didn’t kill him

            i didn’t wish him dead

            his own excess killed him (the number of rich people dying to flight related stuff is crazy disproportionate)

            don’t white wash the harm this man has done

            expecting people to be respectful about his death is pathetic

            blaming fascism on not the fascist themselves is worse

            and censoring comments is just sad

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              I was talking about OC and why I censored his comment after it got reported multiple times. My bad for not having been more explicit.

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      there is a subset of humanity that worships wealth and they are about as intelligent as you would expect them to be

      arguing with them is about as useful as doing so with maga

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        You’d be surprised how some of those irredeemable people can, in fact be reasoned with, and even can change their views.

        I remember the story of a black man befriending a bunch of klansmen and making them leave the organization.

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            Which is way more respectable than laughing about it behing internet anonymity.

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              sure, same I feel about a genuine priest dedicated to serving people, i have the utmost respect for them

              but you expecting people to give up their lives to rehabilitate shit birds is pretty lmao

              and unless you yourself are doing so, it’s also hypocritical

              and i assure you i tell these people to their face in real life, many seem so confused

              expecting anyone to dox themselves to full internet to prove a point is crazy naive and even more lmao

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                but you expecting people to give up their lives to rehabilitate shit birds is pretty lmao

                If it works, it is worth it.

                and unless you yourself are doing so, it’s also hypocritical

                I volunteers for other causes (helping elders, sometimes migrants, to learn to use computers, as well as occasionally helping my dad who volunteers at the red cross). Everyone got a way they can help others, but I doubt a klansman would listen to someone like me, despite being a white male.

                expecting anyone to dox themselves to full internet to prove a point is crazy naive and even more lmao

                I never expected that. I just said that laughing at someone contribution to society is at best petty.

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                  i volunteer as well but it takes a special type to put up with people like this, i know because i live in a state around them

                  unless you are literally dealing with this directly i don’t really care to hear some hollier than thou bullshit

                  dealing with racist, sexist, bigoted fucks daily is exhausting

                  imagine defending their behavior even indirectly

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    Link your Ubisoft account, and for only 3000 Ubisoft Connect Points, you can unlock the new Elite Pro Club plane that never crashes!