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2 things:
- why are Hawaii and Alaska in group #3
- this dude does not understand wars. The south would loose for the same reason they did last time. They have no infrastructure and they can’t read.
If they were capable of learning from their mistakes they wouldn’t be conservatives. Doesn’t speak highly of the democrats though being unable to unseat most of them.
A civil ar in the us wouldn’t look like the last. There is no front lines, it would be more similar to Rawanda. One side has been nice enough to fly a flag to let us know where they are. Pay attention
They would try to take Atlanta and then their loss would have them running for the hills.
And Syria and the Balkan civil wars
THE USA would not break apart like that. The red oblasts would suck Texas dry and the whole damn thing would end in a financial and economic calamity. The Blue States with their GDP would form a union and align it with Canada to create another “European Union.” A civil war would not worth a single American bone, just break it apart like the Czechs and Slovaks, peacefully.
Think of the exodus from the US to Canada. Most people in the USA, 99%, just want their ordinary life.
Stay the fuck out. We don’t want cowards who’d sooner run than fight nazis.
Odds are good you’re much closer to D.C. than I am, get to work hero!
As of now, you’re still enabling Hitler and sitting at the table with Nazis.
Yep, get defensive and belligerent rather than look at yourself. Very on-brand.
Based on behaviour to date do you seriously think the MAGAts will allow a peaceful split ?
The group who rolled the military into blue states on a bullshit pretext are going to let their cash cow go free ?
I don’t think so Tim.
They don’t really have a choice.
They will be slaughtered, Billy.
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- Defender has the advantage.
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- They can’t match nuclear, army or navy capability (especially navy)
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- They can’t match people.
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- They can’t match money.
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- They can’t match manufacturing.
The only advantage they have is “Jesus”, which, as we all know, is actually a disadvantage (though they are blissfully unaware).
Al, not Billy. Al Borland was the “Home Improvement” sidekick with the catchphrase “I don’t think so Tim”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d5zhv2TDag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Improvement_(TV_series)
Well, I think you’re wrong, but I hope you’re right. Quite frankly I’d like to see the MAGAts sorted in the way the Confederates ***should ***have been sorted.
However I don’t think your equation adds up. You have a base assumption in there that the US military will swap or schism to support the blue states and I don’t think it’s going to work out that way. Militaries dont easily or lightly turn against their leadership - not even ones as badly treated as the Russians (and the US military are a thousand percent better treated than the Russians), and if you walk into any military base it’s Fox News you’ll see on every TV not CBS or ABC. The military has always primarily voted rightwing and heavily did so at the last election iirc. There are certainly veterans who are anti trump but that doesn’t make them the majority.
My opinion is there will be some rebellion which will be quickly put down.
Can’t prove it either way, neither of us can. So I think your version is hopium, but I hope you’re right.
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The biggest nuke bases are in the north. Albeit in the reddest states. But, that’s a pretty big deterrent.
The southerners wouldn’t even survive a proper winter the north gets.
A lot of them won’t survive this summer.
On no anyway
I think you’re thinking of Europe lol
2 about to quickly realize how much of 1 and 3’s tax dollars they depend on.
Exactly. Was gonna say, 2 basically has the least healthy, least educated, most poor, and most obese people of the entire country.
Good luck
On the other hand, their reps control the federal government and the US military, unfortunately.
Can’t control much without federal funding.
Right wingers taking notes: plenty of meat for the grinder. Check.
okay Hunstville is an outlier. I claim Huntsville for territory 1
“But we got all dem Gravy Seals! Ain’t they good for somtin’?”
Yes, and you give yourself da Beetus buying soda with the food stamps paid for by New Yorkers.
The sad part is how hard the South committed to losing. Not lost take the L and walk it off. Generational losing. Epic, century-long losing every single fucking day of every life of every redneck, cracker-ass dipshit. Systematic losing, so deeply ingrained that even when they get ahead a little bit, one fucking Yankee asswipe cons half of them out of their every last dime. And they’re glad to give it up.
Roman empire levels of tragic, really.
If they could read and comprehend it better they’d be really upset.
They’d have to bring back slavery to even possibly make it viable
They’d also probably turn into a raiding culture
All those fat greasy doomsday prepper types love to advertise just many supplies they have stocked up. They’ll be the first ones raided.
But they can always pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right?
Nah, they can’t
Well 1 has most of the nukes, money, and food, as well as a really strong natural barrier. And 3 already beat 2 for reasons that remain relevant. So yeah. 1 and 3 ally to curbstomp 2.
1 is upwind, which matters a lot for Ukraine
lol how are you holding onto the nukes, money and food?
You guys can’t even fight back from the comfort of your fucking computer chairs. Get fucking real. The first sign of confrontation, everybody is just going to try to migrate out.
just keep drinking your lead water buddy…
Do you have any reason to think otherwise?
Well considering they know they have all those things they would be secure knowing they aren’t worse off compared to the south,
2 lost to 3 last time,
2’s states don’t actually provide the most soldiers, especially if 1 and 3 group up on you.
Texas has a decent likelihood of actually telling 2 to go Fuck themselves and doing it’s own thing as a 4th faction if it thinks it can become trading partners with 1 and 3 or just might free ball it like they’ve always go on about,
Florida would lose a lot of its appeal of being apart of the objectively worst section of this brake up and lose a lot of its power and would no longer be a playground for the rich, or worse, they just end up under they’re control.
either 1 or 3 could ask Canada for help (though they would likely want to keep the states broken up for a while.)
2s state leadership doesn’t take care for its inferstructure, hence me telling you to go drink lead water.
most of 2s states actually lose money, not make it. you can see this in there tax to rebates ratios, which will take a hit.
Plus all the obvious fall out from braking apart and having the awful reputation no 2 has, people will likely not side with you diplomatically.
And these are just the obvious ones, I’m sure there are more I not thinking or know about.
West Virginia exists because they didn’t want to be apart of that bullshit, though I suspect they’ve lost their way in the last couple of generations.
I was going to say as much. WV flipped hard in 2000. But it’s simple to understand - WV has always been pretty socially conservative, but was Dem because of the unions. They flipped because the Dems decided to turn on the biggest union industries in the state. The coal miner’s union isn’t a good base for your power when you’re overtly talking about actively working to destroy the coal mining industry. To be clear about how much WV cares about coal, it’s the state rock and there’s a coal miner on the state seal. The libertarian bent of a lot of GOP doesn’t hurt either, Montani Semper Liberi and all.
Democrats didn’t “turn on” coal, they recognized that it was a collapsing industry doing immeasurable damage to the environment and it would inevitably be phased out. The union failed to account for the future and threw a tantrum about it rather than negotiate re-training or any kind of transition plan.
Not only that but the government offered retraining programs for people who lost/were going to lose their jobs due to a decline in coal. From the outside the “my pa was a coal miner, I’m a coal miner, and my son will be a coal miner” attitude made a lot of those programs not as effective as they should have been.
So they turned on coal. It is out of fashion purely because of political pressure. There’s still a ton of coal in the ground and many people don’t believe that carbon dioxide does anything but make plants grow faster. We’re talking about a gas that is .0004 in our atmosphere. The climate predictions are always wrong. The science is not settled, modern coal plants are very clean, and it is an affordable energy source.
The science is very much settled, if anything the global warming predictions weren’t alarmist enough, but I shan’t waste my time and energy trying to change your mind.
Huh, maybe you’re thinking of different predictions. None of the ones I’m thinking of came true at all. We still have ice at the poles. Florida isn’t underwater. Not that the wind patterns aren’t shifting, and yes some places are a little hotter. But not so much hotter if you remove the adjustment they did to the historical data. Where I live, although it is hot this week, the temperatures aren’t abnormal and our last fifteen years have been below average temps.
While unfortunate, it’s not like keeping coal is even remotely viable. So it was kinda inevitable.
Last time I drove through WV, there were confederate flags on a lot of porches.
I remember when I got my CDL and started driving OTR. I got my license about 4 months before Covid locked everything down. Once the lockdowns started it was kind of surreal. Ontario was empty. NY, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Washington, the highways were so quiet.
And then I crossed into Virginia. It was like driving through a portal. Cars and trucks everywhere. It looked like it was Black Friday sales. NO ONE gave two flying fucks about the international reality.
It really solidified my opinion on how utterly stupid Americans as a population are.
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I’d have stayed home but nobody was paying my bills for me during it.
The Jan. 6 rioters were small business owners…but there is only so much that they can do if they teamed up for civil war. They would team up with Billionaires to kick the balls in of blue collar workers. The war would destroy state/federal institutions that license workers like nurses and doctors.
Essentially this war is about the Karens fighting to run an HVAC business with unlicensed workers. Eventually the licensed workers would be divided between those that can stand up to the mean Karens of he world vs. those that can’t. Doctors, machinist, would eventually be paid by the state an o.k. wage, while HVAC and such would be run by gangsters. See Venezuela, Iran and old Chile.Essentially this war is about the Karens fighting to run an HVAC business with unlicensed workers.
“Unlicensed workers”. Their final goal is enslavement or death of anyone who opposes them. Always has been, always will be.
in what world are 1 and 3 fighting each other?
Well, they’re saying 1 and 3 would fight 2, but that’s the end of my understanding here.
The imaginary world MAGA lives in where everything makes sense and runs on vibes
Yeah, they aren’t, lol
I honestly think you take the bordering states of 1 and 3, and give them to 2. And the rest form a united 1.
Basically, putting 2 between a hammer and an anvil
New Mexico, Colorado, Maryland, and New Jersy are not about to join the neo-confederacy. Maybe Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania if the new POTUS is a black gay trans woman from Michigan who promises to ban chikd marriage.
PA is already way too big as it is, they should split it into 3 states
Utah joins and there are constant skirmishes in the rural Colorado regions that are sympathetic until CA puts Utah under control
Honestly Utah, Wyoming, Montana, both Dakotas, Idaho, and the eastern parts of WA and OR
Hardly anyone lives in those areas though. And the cities in those states are still really blue/left.
I mean that’s the case in nearly every state. Cities mostly lean blue, rural areas red
Yeah but Wyoming has like half a million people in total, the Denver metropolitan area has over 3 million alone, and plenty of the rural places are blue or not red anyway.
They’d have no chance if the left took up arms at equal rates (I know, it’s a dangerous assumption). It’s also why our congressional representation is so fucked up.
There are a lot of red states and blue states in both 1’and 3. No way Ohio joins Delaware but they’re in the same group.
we’re fighting over who has to take utah
Unfortunately, I think they won in the long run
The south will rise again…to get their welfare checks?
Not sure who is winning in this scenario.
The South fought to preserve slavery and they got a 13th Amendment carve out allowing forced servitude. They pushed minorities into convict leasing and other forms of prison labor to this day. The South is also gerrymandered to hell and back to ensure they have undue influence on national politics.
Blacks have five times the incarceration rate than whites on average. This is not just in the red states either. Even the most progressive states have two times the incarceration rate for blacks.
Yeah, still at least in progressive states it’s an improvement but not prefect. At least the progressive states are trying to be better
Well here is the thing though. When I looked at the data the highest per capita was Wisconsin. Another high outlier was Michigan because of Detroit.
So it really is a mixed bag. I think this is why university professors talk about things like systemic racism.
Yeah, any amount of detail collapses this pre-school division. Drawing lines at State borders simplifies to the extreme how mixed up the political preferences really are. Just because its a Red district doesn’t mean they all vote red, and vice-versa, etc, etc…
The meme is a good example of rage-tainment. Everybody gets their 5 minutes of rage no matter whose side they’re on with this meme, and not a damn thing is added to the collective understanding. While we all get robbed and crushed.
It’s because they have fewer limits on what they are willing to do.
Yeah, and also keep Virginia, let’s make sure that the neo confederates don’t keep that state
Guys, did someone eat Maryland?
They’re idiots if they think that any sort of civil war would be broken up like that. It’d be the interior states versus the coastal states essentially. The coastal states could just cut off all outside shipments to the interior and watch them just decay.
And there wouldn’t be an all out war because the ideologies at contention here aren’t readily segregated to one area of the country or the other in a stronger fashion. We’re highly mixed in a lot of areas. What would happen is lots of civil unrest and let’s be honest here, right wing perpetuated violence.
This.
They also think they’d be the ‘majority’ in this fight. And sure, they’d have a lot of land. But people… Money? No.
When Biden won, something like over 80% of the GDP broke for the Democrats.
Good luck funding a war with 20% of the money they country makes. There’s counties in California that make that much probably.
I was going to say “this is yet another one of those ‘land doesn’t vote’ maps”.
They dumped a lot of conservative states like Utah, Wyoming, and Montana into group 1, but group 1 has California. That’s where the people are.
My neighborhood in LA has more people than Wyoming and Montana.
Also this.
I was just going to say, “who has the GDP?” Because that’s what wins a modern war.
California has like 1 in 8 of all Americans, and we’re the single richest states. The south is still pretty much the same place it was after their last attempt at this war.
I doubt Texas would go along with the rest of the South for long anyway. Ignoring the left lean of the big cities, Texans have a particular attachment to the idea of independence and given the opportunity would likely throw their weight around. (They are, after all, the land that seceded from two countries in order to keep their slaves)
If the country fractures I think it would be into ~7 pieces.
Problem: interior statesia has shipping via the great lakes/Ohio River and the Mississippi River. And that big ol coastline in the gulf of motherfucking Mexico. It’s easier to blockade them, but they’re not landlocked
You’re right about the interior not being completely landlocked, but the Mississippi isn’t as navigable as you might think. The vast majority of cargo ships (pretty much anything designed for the open ocean) isn’t going to make it further north than Baton Rogue because the river is far too shallow. Baton Rogue is a fine city (New Orleans too), but they simply don’t have the infrastructure to support multiple states in the middle of a war, not to mention the blockade that WOULD exist. This was even a problem both sides had to deal with during the Civil War; it’s not a new development, and its not something that can be fixed without an enormous amount of money and manpower. Plus there are LOADS of hairpin turns, narrow passageways, and other complications that make operating multiple barges in any one location a nautical traffic jam exceeded only by the Evergreen/Suez fiasco.
The Great Lakes have some of the same issues, but like others have already pointed out, it’s highly unlikely that Canada would just sit back and let multiple feuding parties pass by their major population centers without SOME form of intervention. Idk, they’re definitely a wild card, but this argument is entirely dependent on whose side Michigan (specifically Detroit) would choose. If they choose to support the ‘exterior states’ then there goes your best northern interior port just like that.
Lastly, all of this is ignoring that we have aircraft and carriers now, rendering most of these considerations pointless. Even if the military itself chooses to stay out of it for whatever reason (unlikely), the existence of airpower is sure to make any future American Civil War 2 a lot more complicated, even if it’s just random dudes in Cessnas dropping pipe bombs or whatever else
It’s hard to imagine us (Canada) allying with that faction. The St. Lawrence seaway would not be neutral, i expect.
Yeah and there is also the erie canal. Or there was. I dunno I don’t live there. But that seems like a great place to fall victim to ferry pirates
Adorable; I’m betting on one, as a god fearing Westerner. Southies talk big shit, but even their shooters are gravy seals. Coincidentally, did y’all know a majority of the Armed forces are recruited West of the Mississippi? Food for thought.
1 because California
The yokels simply don’t realize that all those fancy military toys they like to harp on about are designed and made in Redondo Beach at Northrop Grummen.
Skunkworks, NG, and a ton of the actual MIC is based in California.
That and a geographic fortress of the Rockies, dessert, and the plains, plus economically+ manpower + a better relationship abroad. Water would be the big choke point, but they have enough to get into desalinization if they need too.
Shit. I wonder if I should move.
California fucking rules man I love it here.
i mean it’s gorgeous out here when it’s not on fire or raining spiders
How stable are the climate predictions? Is it far enough South to avoid the boil over the next two decades?
uh, north. we’re going north.
Like hell you are. Builds wall along the Columbia
Hey. I have tacos
Texas is the state with the 3rd most US defence spending. Virginia and Maryland are numbers 2 and 4, but you have to guess that it’s headquarters there close to Washington DC and the actual manufacturing might be done elsewhere.
Sure but look at the other states surrounding Texas. They’re poor as fuck.
I’m fairly sure that part of the reason the military and contractors are so spread out, that and sharing the economies that come with them.
