Ice agents? Unless identified as law enforcement they’re just some assholes beating up an innocent man.
I’d start beating the shit out of them then claim in court there was no way for me to know who they were.
I’ve got bad news for you about American courts.
People keep saying, “Why aren’t the courts doing anything about ICE?”
They are.
Federal courts have ruled thousands of times that ICE unlawfully detained people. Reuters reported that judges have found ICE illegally jailed individuals more than 4,400 times. There are also multiple active lawsuits alleging excessive force, denial of medical care, abusive detention conditions, and unconstitutional arrests.
The problem isn’t that the courts aren’t ruling against ICE. The problem is that many of these rulings apply to individual cases or specific jurisdictions rather than creating nationwide policy. Critics argue that ICE has continued many of the same practices despite repeated adverse court decisions.
Those are two very different issues. One is whether the judiciary is checking ICE’s conduct. The other is whether ICE is consistently changing its behavior in response to those rulings.
So the US justice system is utterly toothless and ineffective and may as well essentially not exist.
The US Justice System was recently handicapped by banning Federal appeals court rulings from being applied nationwide. As a result, the compromised and corrupt Supreme Court is the one and only court in the entire nation that’s allowed to make a nationwide ruling.
This is a misleading characterization of what actually happened.
The Supreme Court did not ban federal appeals courts from issuing rulings that apply throughout their circuits, nor did it declare that only the Supreme Court can make decisions with broad legal effect.
What the Court addressed was the use of nationwide (universal) injunctions, where a single district judge blocks a federal policy across the entire country before the case has fully worked its way through the courts. Those are not the same thing as appellate court precedents.
The practical effect is that different circuits may reach different conclusions until the Supreme Court resolves the conflict. That’s how the federal judicial system has traditionally functioned. Appeals court decisions are still binding within their own circuits and continue to shape the law.
If you want to argue that limiting nationwide injunctions is a bad policy, that’s a legitimate position. But saying the decision “banned federal appeals court rulings from being applied nationwide” or made the Supreme Court “the only court allowed to make nationwide rulings” is inaccurate. It conflates two different legal concepts to support a broader political narrative.
This grossly mischaracterizes things.
The defining feature of the US Court system is how slow it is. We are talking about federal policies that are corrupt, racist, and unconstitutional.
The legal concepts of no injunctions and no legal power are effectively the same when discussing this issue because without nationwide injunctions, there is no mechanism to stop corrupt federal executive policy.
The Supreme Court declines to hear most cases, they cherry pick what they want to review to create the illusion of a fair system, and occasionally when there is a large clear conflict between circuits then it means the Supreme Court may decide to hear the case in a year while harm is ongoing.
You’re saying appeals courts are still binding on their own circuits, but we are talking about federal nationwide policy and executive branch that just ignores rulings unless there is enforcement.
The correct way for this to have proceeded previously was for a federal appellate court to rule it’s unconstitutional to randomly harass people on the street because it violates the 4th Amendment without probable cause, rule it’s an ongoing pattern and they keep ignoring the law and so a simple legal instruction is insufficient, and the instruct the federal marshals to seize ice infrastructure, their computers and phones in DC, and destroy them, and then to stay the order while it gets an emergency appeal, forcing the Supreme Court to rule on this.
But the Supreme Court doesn’t even have to rule on these issues now. The federal courts are powerless to do anything and the Supreme Court declines to hear it. Also, the Supreme Court held racism was a valid reason for detaining people, so ICE agents are fully allowed to randomly harass, detain, threaten and subdue people who are not white or not black, because that’s what these racist MAGA hicks want: they want a reduction in brown people, and they know they can’t easily harass and kill black people anymore, so they are just going after brown people instead.
Let’s just call it what it is: racist white people don’t like so many Latinos and other brown skinned people, they have noticed that white people are a smaller portion of the USA and white people are having fewer children, so they have enacted racist policies and elected a corrupt Supreme Court and selected a racist government in power to find ways to change this.
To pretend that the federal courts still have some sort of power in this situation is intellectually dishonest and mischaracterizes what is going on. In theory, decisions are binding on lower courts still. But what does it matter? Does a court matter if no one listens to it and then its power is taken away?
The racist MAGA hicks made a calculation that they could come into power, enact laws that would have previously been deemed illegal, pack the courts with conservatives, and start a campaign to reduce the brown population of the USA and also that liberals and brown people would not take up arms and try to physically stop them. And that calculation was right. Liberals are notoriously anti-gun, anti-gun ownership, and for extreme gun regulations; they are also the party of civility. So… MAGA was right.
What happens when things change and liberals come into power? Will there be hearings? A tribunal? The Supreme Court has sanctioned all of this under racist, intellectually dishonest language and so on what grounds can people be punished for evil? There are no grounds unless there’s a Constitutional amendment. It won’t happen. Even today, eminent domain is being used to seize land for data centers while black people never got their 40 acres or their mule. The horrible truth is MAGA got away with it and will get away with it. Liberals do not have the audacity and courage, nor the voting numbers, to do anything of substance.
What you’re saying isn’t necessarily wrong. You’re just piling a bunch of unrelated issues on top of what I said, gerrymandering, racism, politics, public policy, what the law should be, and so on.
None of that was the question. Those are separate discussions.
What I object to are blanket statements wrapped in propaganda. The original claim was grossly inaccurate. Federal appeals courts still make binding decisions within their own circuits. That’s how the federal judiciary has always functioned.
As I said, whether the Supreme Court made the right decision in the first place is an entirely different debate.
Honestly, I don’t understand what any of the points you raised have to do with what I was actually saying. My comment was narrowly focused on correcting a factual claim.
This is exactly what frustrates me about social media. People make wildly inaccurate statements based on ignorance, and they get repeated as if they’re true. That’s why I commented, to clarify the issue.
Some of what you said contains a kernel of truth, but it’s mixed with a lot of ideological framing that only muddies the discussion. It doesn’t address my point, and it makes an already complicated topic even more confusing.
We have the numbers (of humans), but not the voting power, because they gerrymandered and under represented it away from us.
But all SCOTUS has to do is simply decline to hear a case in order to prevent nationwide injunctions on clearly-illegal activities.
No, reread my comment.
As opposed to yours? In the UK? Seriously?
Yeah I’m not going to take any kind of back talk from a culture that invented cheese in a can.
Mocking America over spray cheese is like mocking Britain over jellied eels or mushy peas. Every country has novelty foods. Spray cheese is a niche convenience product, not the defining feature of American cuisine.
But sure, yes of course. we invented spray cheese.
And you’ll take all the back talk I give you since you just read every word I wrote.
I’m figuring that people in the UK are plenty aware that things are fucked.
Right, I’m sure they are. Which is exactly why “fuck you, America” is such a bullshit thing to say. If you’re going to paint an entire country with one brush, don’t be surprised when people push back.
And yeah, I’m going to say “fuck you” right back to anyone who says it especially if they live in a politically dysfunctional country just like mine.
The movement someone from Iceland or New Zealand gets in on the conversation I’ll concede my points.
Has anyone been acquitted for battering an ICE agent because they were unidentified attackers?
Specifically acquitted, no.
I couldn’t find a case where someone was acquitted specifically because they fought an unidentified or plainclothes ICE agent. If that had happened, it’d probably be a pretty high-profile precedent.
What I did find were multiple cases where charges were dropped, people were released, or courts ruled against ICE after video evidence contradicted the agents’ version of events or judges found the arrests or detention were unlawful.
So it’s not true that the courts are just rubber-stamping everything ICE does. They’re ruling against ICE all the time. The bigger issue is that many of those rulings are case-specific and don’t automatically change ICE’s practices nationwide.
Those are two very different questions.
I’m also interested in this second question.
Are courts actually doing anything to stop ICE, or just awarding damages with taxpayer money? Dropped charges won’t help if you’re in a Salvadoran death camp.
A lot of our constitutional protections still apply and are still being enforced. For example, when an immigrant is arrested, the government is now required to provide a probable cause hearing, something that was not consistently happening at the beginning. As far as I can tell, people are being released when a court determines that their arrest was unlawful or unsupported by probable cause.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a complete shit show. My point is that it isn’t simply lawlessness. There are still legal safeguards in place, and people are challenging abuses in court. That doesn’t change my view that what we’re doing is wrong.
Also nothing is awarded from tax payer money.
Yeah some weird hooded guy with questionable facial hair push down an older gentleman.
Charges ought to be pressed
That blonde person was also assaulting the man as well.
Good point
I shouldn’t give them a pass for no awful beard but you are correct
Yeah. In these videos I’ve never seen a woman work for ICE.
I’m with you buddy.
innocent man
A man who refuses to leave a country they are in illegally is not an innocent man, regardless of what personal views one might have
I do completely agree about the lack of uniform and ID… Shocking that more of these “agents” are not accidentally killed or seriously harmed
First, innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.
Second, these are also CIVIL infractions and not CRIMINAL. This isn’t in the criminal code, ergo, these people are not actually criminals.l just for being in this country without a valid visa.
If you want to get into technicals sure but you can be legally deported by the state and barred from returning… Which is what’s happening here
There is no justification possible for doing that and then walking away. They know their actions are wrong and they about to get the shit kicked out of them.
If I read the article correctly, he was arrested the next day?
Would be much easier for them to do their job if they were actually trained and uniformed. The bar is low and they can’t even hit it.
Hey TSA guy. You back the fuck up. Stay in your lane.
Yeah talk about a bootlicker. This is the equivalent of a Walmart greeter telling me to back up from a situation like this.
So they are secret police now what is that German word for that again, oh yeah Gestapo.
Gestapo is not a word but a name. The German word would be Geheimpolizei, Arschloch or Nazi
Gestapo is just an abbreviation for Geheime StaatsPolizei so it just means secret state police.
Damn, DeadDigger got told. Damn. Oooh. Snap. Shit, son. Damn.
THAT’S IT! IT’S OVER! HE’S NOT GETTING BACK UP!
Man in fake moustache steals a shoe after seeing hes being filmed.
Is this confirmed as ICE or have the common thugs latched onto it by now? Its only a matter of time.
Yeah how the fuck is this allowed? Masked people disappearing people off the streets? There should be way more stink about how they hide behind masks, that itself is so blatantly anti-democratic.
It also has a significant psychological effect on the “agents” in that they feel they can’t be held responsible and it also internally dehumanizes them because they are no longer [person] but [anonymous agent].
We saw what this leads to in the banana republic regimes that the US/CIA installed all over the world in the 60s, it always ended the same way, brutal repression and extrajudicial killings.
BEAT THE LIFE OUT OF ICE WITH CONCRETE BRICKS
“Why can’t we have some people from Norway, Sweden, or Denmark? We always take people from Somalia, places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting”
– Donald Trump
Gee, is it because with these wackos “white = right?” No, that can’t be it at all.
Oh how I fantasize about seeing that guy’s head shot off.
I have, quite involuntarily, for the past year, having flashes before my eyes of a bomb going off right in the middle of Trump and his lapdogs holding a press conference.
To the NSA/CIA/FBI: no need, I’m already on the list
The TSA goon is an overlooked, frightening part of this. TSA has a perception of authority in these airports and he’s actively facilitating the abduction of someone by two plainclothes thugs and preventing anyone from intervening.
Is that how those neo-Nazi sacks of shit dress for work?
They “saw” they were being filmed? Nowadays you should just “assume” you are being filmed. WTF?
Well I don’t think they test for critical thinking skills on the application. Ability to successfully spell your own name on the first attempt probably elevates you to a high ranking position.
Anyone with any brains and the ability to think more than 10 seconds in front of their own face has long since realised that joining ice is very much like signing your own death warrant. One way or another the Trump administration is going to come down and these idiots are going to be the first on the chopping blocks.
If people are dumb enough to vacation in a Fascist country, fuck them. There wasn’t much tourism in Nazi Germany but people were smarter then.
There was plenty of tourism in Nazi Germany. They held an Olympics.
Funny how that’s a recurring theme of budding fascist regimes to hold massive public spectacles like that.
In both cases, the bid to host those events was submitted before the fascist was in office, but the fascist in office sure as hell took the opportunity to use it as their own advertising campaign.
I’m American and I went to universal studios this past weekend and was shocked by the amount of foreign tourists. It’s wild to me they don’t know or don’t care about the risk to themselves but are also willing to spend their tourist dollars here, essentially condoning the current government. There’s lots of legitimate reasons to be in the US but tourism isn’t one of them even for the world cup, that said there’s no excusing the actual perpetrators here, which aren’t the tourists. Fuck ICE not the people here for whatever reason.
You do understand that it is not always that simple?
I’m not vacationing in Iran or Palestine this summer. Nor the USA until they decide to fix the country.
You understand that not every visit is a vacay?
I kind of agree. I wouldn’t go to the US for now, but they are helding the world cup and some people have to go work. I think the amount of people that went is crazy.
I was disheartened by it. A LOT of European folks are aggravatedly clueless, and a whole bunch of them are ripe for the brown shirted plucking.
Ahh, victim blaming. People shouldn’t come here because it’s dangerous but I’m going to feel sorry when bad things happen. As well, the Nazis had a lot of tourism, in fact they hosted the Olympics before the war there and used it to spread propaganda. Just tourism dropped because of the war, not because of the Nazis.
I’m so confused. If they were legally detaining him, why are they in secret hoodies hiding their faces and running away
Is one of them sporting a handlebar Hitler 'stache?
You’re not confused. If what they were doing was legal they wouldn’t have to hide their faces like a bunch of pussy-ass bitches
I think the idea comes from central and south American police who hide the identities of their police to prevent retaliation from organized crime, who are often very well funded and have no qualms about torturing and murdering random people to ensure the law remains powerless to stop their reign of fear and terror.
However, in this case it is to prevent the police themselves from answering to the courts, and to hide themselves from public scrutiny. Even if you are not breaking the law, America’s legal system is brutal and destructive, and they know that and don’t want to face it themselves.
The idea of hiding ones self with a hood or wearing a disguise it is quite ancient… It is not clear why you are trying to connect this concept with central and south america, I get your point, but it doesn’t require such a complex comparison. The purpose here is quite simple.
When encountered everyone should swarm these anonymous ICE losers, hold them down, demask, photograph and release them.
In an ideal world they’d get the Hans Landa treatment.
Fuck the airport guy too. He’s complicit.
Yeah they made him look like the worlds biggest simp as he’s still trying to block the people recording without realizing that these two “agents” have already booked it out of there right behind his back.
Another day, another attempt by secret police to disappear whomever they wish with no oversight.
