I don’t get it, where is the depressing punchline?
Well, start.
Start now!
Woke!!!
I’ll teach you to say fuck you to all the people that tell you to be mean
He also taught us you should drop netanyahu from the sky to make him crap his pants
that was hawk girl
They both dropped him. Hawk Girl did not catch him.
You’re right thank you for correcting me
Superman taught me that you have to be born powerful to change the world.
Superman is not superman because he’s a Kryptonian with super powers. Superman is superman because he’s an idealist and selflessly works his ass off every day to uphold those ideals in any way that he can. It just so happens that what he can do is superhuman. But we can all still contribute to an ideal like him. We can refuse to accept the world we have, the would we think we deserve, the world we think is realistic, but instead work toward an ideal world that we push for every day.
Superman taught me to not nut in my coffee
Superman comes from a position of absurd privilege wherein he can do whatever he wants without risk to himself, and can put on a pair of glasses to become anonymous afterwards.
Everyone else has occasionally consider a compromise between what they think is right and what is pragmatic or necessary.
Superman is an ideal to strive for, not a model to emulate. Ideals are goals and guides. But pragmatism and necessity still factors into decision making
Superman taught us to use the privilege we have to help those that don’t.
and that’s not at all condescending and dehumanizing to those we want to ‘help’…
also one of the historical justifications for colonialism. we need to colonize you to help you because we are privileged and you are not, let us ‘raise you up’… and that went over so well…
It’s not condescending or dehumanizing to recognize that some of us are less oppressed than others.
as defined by who?
I meet trust funders with graduate degrees who tell me they are the most oppressed people who ever existed and they are jealous of how good working class and immigrants have it. are they the ones who are the most oppressed?
Huh?
If you find yourself in an state of privilege, use it to help others. I don’t see how this concept is at all confusing.
Are there idiots who don’t understand their own privilege? Sure. Not relevant to this conversation.
because everyone thinks they are underprivileged and oppressed by someone more privileged than them.
nobody ever thinks they are in a state of privilege dude. it’s everyone else who is, but not them. they are oppressed.
the second you tell someone they are privileged the first thing they will do is point at someone else and say ‘no they are the privileged person’
and around and around we go. I know doctors and lawyers from multi-millionaire families who think they are the truly oppressed working class, and it’s they are being oppressed by other rich people.
I don’t think I’m underprivileged.
Not to put to fine a point on it, but I think this is starting to sound like a you problem.
You’re right for history, although it’s pretty obvious superman wouldn’t be OK with twisting words like that.
it’s not about twisting words.
it’s about how good intentions often lead to shitty consequences for those subjected to the ‘good’ imposed on them.
You don’t get to determine what is good for other people. They get to determine that.
Yea, and superman should be smart enough to understand that. They touch on it plenty of times in various stories. Of course the quality varies based on the writers’ understanding of self-determination, but it is a topic well addressed by Superman.
My personal compromise is that I wear my underwear on the outside, but I don’t do any of the other stuff Superman does.
Your underwear’s not on the outside if you aren’t wearing anything else at all
Technically if it’s on the outside it’s overwear!
Same here. Except I wear boxers and slacks.
This doesn’t invalidate the idea of doing the right thing just because it’s right when you can.
I wouldn’t call ‘being the only one who can take the call when Darkseid rolls up’ privilege.
My favorite scene in the MCU comes in Captain America - The Winter Soldier.
Hydra’s toughest badass is holding a gun on an unarmed technician, telling him to set off a weapon.
The pencil necked nerd boy stands up to the killer.
“Sorry, Captain’s orders.”
That’s the point of having heroes. They show us how we’re supposed to behave.
It doesn’t matter if you’re doing it because you were inspired by Superman, Harriet Tubman, or Toto the dog.
Here here.
If a Zionist kills a child in front of me while laughing, being good would be smashing their skull in with a brick.
*Not surprised I got two people to reply that I’ve already blocked lol.
I’m the type of guy to say we ought to show the goodness of humanity even to our most evil members. But I’m not one to say you’re unjustified for any actions you take when that evil is right in front you, murdering a child. I won’t call your answer good, but I won’t call it wrong either.
Revenge is never good. Look at the American justice system and it’s horrors. All in the name of revenge. instead consider this happened and it may never happen again. So you put him in a prison that treats him humanely and never allows him to harm another soul.
It’s not revenge to remove evil from the world. What kind of petty projection do you practice?
Ya but the Zionist has a gun and you have a brick.
Also Hawk Girl is a based mother fucker who what she did to Nenjamin Betanyahu
But who defines good?
So Homelander defines good? The “the boys” equivalent of superman.
Superman, now stop making questions.
Not Israel, republicans, Putin, or North Korea
Yeah sounds kind of problematic to do whatever you think is good “no matter what the world tells you”.
Morality is born from a collective. Typical American superheroes with their shallow ideals.
If only there were decades worth of stories where Superman’s morality was defined and expanded upon to provide a reasonable template that lends to genuine analysis even in academic and philosophical studies.
Yes there are, do these stories not confirm Superman’s morality as a distinctly Western liberal/Judeo-Christian ideal of the virtuous individual standing above society and deciding what justice is?
It has a typical “we’ll save the world and decide what’s best” type of American arrogance to it, doesn’t it?
If you have any reading recommendations on the philosophical analysis I’m interested.
The thing about comics is that many of them have been going on for so long, for so many different generations and audiences, that they actually handle all kinds of different perspectives depending on which stories you look at. A common theme for a long time is actually contrasting Superman against the Ubermensch idea from Nietsche and the Nazi’s bastardized version of it, which is what led to things like Homelander (and Stormfront) in the Boys. There have always been many different perspectives on Superman, his powers, and his morality. The morality of WW2-era Superman is pretty different from Silver Age is pretty different from DCAU is pretty different from Snyder’s Superman, etc.
There are quite a few books about the philosophy of Superman out there. You can start with Superman and Philosophy: What Would the Man of Steel Do?, which is a compilation of academic essays analyzing Superman’s morality.
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fuck hollywood IP though
Superman is not Hollywood IP. Superman is the creative product of two Jewish-American boys born to immigrant families who created an icon of human potential, of righteousness and justice and service to others, at a time when such Ubermensch ideas were being twisted and used by the Nazis in Germany to dehumanize people like Joe Shuster and Jerry Seigel. They made one of the most recognizable and beloved figures in the last century who remains relevant even now, more than 88 years after his first publication in Actions Comics #1. Hollywood has tried to co-op the character, sure, but it’s hardly ever done right by him. But the character has never just been limited to a silver screen.
they sold it to dc a long time ago.
And?
and fuck hollywood IP
DC is a comic book publisher. How is that Hollywood? They’re owned by Warner Brothers now, which is a Hollywood studio, but that doesn’t mean that DC itself is Hollywood, or Superman. Also is an independent IP acceptable until they make a licensing deal for film rights?
What sort of IP do you like exactly? Give me examples.
They’re owned by Warner Brothers now, which is a Hollywood studio
that’s how they are hollywood.
as to why they should be disliked? well pick your poison. it could be the the sexual assault stuff, the state propaganda stuff, the slop stuff, the copyright abuse stuff or the whole truckload of other stuff.
Welcome to Capitalism? It sucks.
Also you avoided my question. I assume because you’re being disingenuous and or a hypocrite. What IPs do you enjoy?
I’m sure the vast majority of humans are good. just the definition of what is good differs quiet much
According to Bob Chipman
Superman only makes sense in the context of a worldview where good is the default setting of the universe and the job of a being of godlike power who aims to do good is to fix things when they break and thwart evil from spoiling the natural state of goodness.
Because if the universe is not good at its core then the moral responsibility of that same godlike being who wants to do good is to assume power absolutely and make the universe good by force.
And that’s not Superman.
I don’t think IRL, good is the default setting of the universe.
If you look around in your own life, I bet you will see that the majority of people you actually know seems good.
Just down turn on the TV. It’s called propaganda for a reason.
And about being good, you don’t do it to gain any benefits. People seem to think that… Why be good, I don’t get benefits from it.
Then you are not good yourself, because a good person doesn’t have a choice. He is good because his consciousness is good. Not because of any benefits. Some good people are good because they are afraid too. They are good because they fear conflict.
And bad people are not good because they get benefits and want those benefits. It’s simple.
Superman would disagree with you. But whether that is naivete or the hope that he represents made manifest, it really wouldn’t matter to him. In a world where the default was pure evil, he’d still be championing an ideal. One that might not ever exist, but it wouldn’t be through lack of trying on his part. And totalitarianism or abuse of his abilities to force his desires would absolutely never fit that ideal.
