The Supreme Court is rebuffing an appeal from a Michigan woman fighting a school district’s ban on shirts with the phrase “Let’s Go Brandon,” a jab at then-President Joe Biden with a coded reference to profanity.
The mother of two boys says their First Amendment rights were violated when they were told to take off the sweatshirts she bought them for Christmas in 2022.
A lower court disagreed, finding that the veiled vulgarity of the phrase, which functions as a stand-in for “F-— Joe Biden,” allows schools to ban it.
The woman’s attorneys argued that the decision wrongly gives school officials wide latitude to squelch political speech based on their personal ideas of what is vulgar. The phrase itself doesn’t contain any swear words or sexual implications, they said.
The school district urged the justices to reject the case, arguing that messages with lewd implications have no place in school, even if they touch on political topics. There has been evidence that some students wore clothing that read “Make America Great Again” or had messages supporting President Donald Trump, a Republican who lost the 2020 election to Biden, a Democrat.
Amazing mom, that one.
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For the life of me I can’t figure out why young people are right leaning so much. Gen x we hated the wealthy and authority and especially the religious.
It’s hard to see outside your bubble
Privledged kids with self employed parents that will pass down the business to the kid, so they immediately don’t want progressive tax
There are 2 types:
- my parents are dumb as shit and so am i
- “i made fun of piss kinks and made piss jokes so many times that i now have a piss kink” adjacent
They aren’t. High school aged kids are being twatty edge lords as always but statistically the younger generations lean left.
I don’t know man. There’s a lot of 7-12 grade kids that are far right. Or part of that toxic manosphere
Because to the naïve, far-right nonsense feels edgy.
And I don’t get that. To me being against wealth, nuclear family, religion is the non conformist route
Yeah they also can’t vote yet and by voting age the statistics are and have been for like a hundred or so years shifted left towards 60 and back right after that.
But there’s a lot of sympathy in college campus for things like turning point. Pre 2014 those people would have been ran off campus and sometimes were. Now you don’t see that
Yep. Gen X here. Things like the Young Republicans were treated like lepers pretty much.
Running them off campus is how we got here.
No, running them off campus and leaving their bones intact is how you got here.
Don’t care. They should always be afraid
That may well be true but let them speak.
I mostly blame online creeps like Andrew Tate and Clavicular deliberately targeting vulnerable tween and teen boys who then carry the toxic ideology with them into adulthood.
Millennials in general and Gen Z women are mostly left wing, though, especially ones who aren’t white.
I feel like everyone “acted” right leaning when we were teenagers.
We used “gay” as a derogatory. I recall friends and I using talking points that in hindsight was very incelly. Mocking idealistic lefties etc.
But I don’t think I truly felt that way, and I know my friends I’ve kept in touch with post high school don’t/didn’t.
I think a lot of it is performative, to fit in. And now I’m an openly raging lefty
I hope it’s the same case with kids these days
It’s because of 4chan
we hated
According to https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/age-generational-cohorts-and-party-identification/ every single decade birth year associates with Gen X associates with R+x to some extend (in particular with men).
I think your use of the past tense is appropriate.
Technically I’m a xenial. To young for gen x to old for millennial. Born 78
Your perspective seems to fit with the data then. Millenials seem to be the turning point.
I still do
There are certainly plenty who agree with you, just unfortunately not the majority.
I’m sure that mom is a real Karen.
Really seems like the school district was doing those boys a favor. Can’t think of something more lame for middle schoolers to wear than matching Let’s Go Brandon sweatshirts. They saved those boys from their mom’s political boomer humor.
Imagine the yearbook comments.
So being critical of the case, let’s ask what exactly does the statement “Let’s Go Brandon” mean to you? Who is Brandon to you? Personal friend?, are you an advocate for them? what does it mean to support them, i.e. “Let’s Go”? If these words and phrases can’t be giving legitimate answers, then it’s clearly understood what it is meant within the conservative cultural. Fucking Duh!
I had a friend who wasn’t allowed to wear his Beavis and Butthead shirt because it said butt on it. So his mom took yellow paint and painted over the “butt” making it Beavis and Head which was hilarious and A-Okay with school staff.
On 9/11/02 I woke up late and forgot about 9/11.
No one would believe my “bad cop, no doughnut” shirt was a coincidence or that anyone would forget 9/11.
My attempts to ask what making fun of bad cops had to do with 9/11 in the first place didn’t help, but I got off of school, which was pretty cool…
On 9/11/02 I woke up late and forgot about 9/11.
How could you?! Alan Jackson would be very disappointed.
“bad cop, no doughnut” shirt
I forgot about those!
Yeah, I got called out immediately after making the time to take the “scenic route” that morning as well.
But anyways, it is a good example of how context needs to be part of it.
I didn’t have any ill intent, but I’d have spent all day explaining that and derailing every class I walked into.
Like, people had been joining up on their 17th birthday and waiting to graduate to deploy for a year by then, someone probably would have tried to fight me.
People don’t understand how crazy shit really was right after 9/11.
When I was in middle school we couldn’t wear Levi’s 501 ‘Button Your Fly’ shirts because it drew attention to the crotch.
One day, after Pee Wee’s Big Arrest, I wore a shirt that said “Hey Pee Wee, Button Your Fly” and I made it all the way to 4th period before I had to turn it inside out. My 4th period teacher asked me who my first 3 teachers were for the day, because she couldn’t believe I’d made it that far in the day… and when their names all started with “Mr.” she just rolled her eyes and said “Figures.”
Students are citizens with rights. But rules about profanity are reasonable measures for good discipline.
If a student wore a You Can’t Lick Our Dick button to class, what teacher do?
Minors don’t have the same rights adults do, especially when it comes to schools.
They are citizens with their rights suspended when they go to school. Otherwise the schools would have to have a warrant to search backpacks/lockers/cars for drugs. Also the students would be able to come and go as they please, because you can’t just detain people who have rights.
They are citizens with their rights suspended when they go to school.
Incorrect
Otherwise the schools would have to have a warrant to search backpacks/lockers/cars for drugs.
Many schools do this already, and have for decades
Also the students would be able to come and go as they please, because you can’t just detain people who have rights.
They certainly have the right to. The school may have certain rules around this, including consequences for breaking those rules, but students are not prisoners while they are at school.
My old high school put up a fence locking kids in, it looks like a prison
There’s a reason an online school or prison quiz exists.
New Jersey v. T.L.O. (1985).
The supreme Court ruled kids 4th amendment right to require a warrant was not eligible to be upheld in public schools.
So when a student steps onto the property of a public school that right is suspended until they leave.
As for being able to detain a student they absolutely can within reason. The courts have decided that the rights of a parent extend to the schools to detain a child do to the fact that the parents are not there.
Thus the “right” to go where you want does not truly exist for a minor whether they are on/off a public schools ground.
Kids have “rights” just not the same rights as an adult.
You have cited a court case which addresses one specifically held legal right, but that does not translate into the broad acquiescence of all legal rights as your argument suggests.
You are wrong.
Minors have full citizen rights, but until they reach age of majority, certain rights are held in trust by their presumptive guardians, who are empowered to limit and guide the exercise of said rights until they are considered fully competent citizens. Schools assume temporary guardianship while a student is in their care, which means they have the latitude to determine what is and isn’t an appropriate exercise of a minor’s rights. “Suspended” might be a bit of an exaggeration but the OP is roughly correct.
None of that negates what I said. And none of that, most certainly, erases the rights of the students.
I’m sorry that you have been fooled into believing otherwise. I suggest you check the laws.
Until and unless you have a rebuttal to the concept of In loco parentis, you may as well just shut up, unless your aim is to continue making a fool of yourself. This is broadly applied through the compulsory levels of education in the US, and while it doesn’t automatically invalidate students’ rights, it does give schools broad authority to limit those rights in the place of students’ guardians, who are unable to constantly be present and assent to the school’s every decision, and upper courts have already held that this is sufficient in cases where there exists a compelling interest to do so in order to further the school’s basic purpose as an educational institution.
This is entirely in line with the way minors cannot sign legally binding contracts without their parents co-signing, in most instances. Similarly, see curfew laws and local rules aimed at minors, they’re inability to legally consent until they reach the age of majority, and any other number of situations in which the rights of minors are temporarily curtailed in the name of their own best interests. The notion that minors have the same full civil rights as adults do in all circumstances is entirely devoid of any basis in reality. Indeed, even adults can have their rights abrogated in certain circumstances. You can argue whether it’s right or wrong that someone can lose their right to vote or to bear arms as a consequence of a felony conviction, but absent new laws (such as some of the efforts recently to restore the right to vote to felons in several states), this is a fairly settled matter in law. To act as though this doesn’t occur with full legal sanction in schools on a regular basis in the US is disingenuous, at the very least.
This proves nothing other than you have no actual argument and you just want me to “shut up“ because your argument is empty.
Quite the contrary, you’re just sticking your fingers in your ears and going “I can’t hear you” when faced with settled legal precedent that shows your claims are baseless, but it’s your business if you want to suck even at being a low effort troll.
No one argued they don’t have rights. I don’t see anyone in this entire thread making that argument. What ghost are you shadow boxing with?
Instead of focusing on what people didn’t say, perhaps you should concern yourself with what people did say. Then you would be prepared to participate in the conversation.
How Ironic given you’re arguing nonsense in circles about imagined strawmen.
These people are morons but trying to ban a sweatshirt is just as dumb.
If they don’t have any problems banning books then they should STFU about banned shirts
Because I have problems with book bans I also have problems with sweatshirt bans. A nation with fewer first amendment rights isn’t one that favors those out of power. We’re not one election away from instituting a “good” authoritarianism.
