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id say you are a woman if you have a vagina, either born with it at birth, or if you transition later in life. that seems to be the most popular think are the sex organs. if you are born with both then you already have a name for that and the child hopefully can make up their mind about instead of their parents.
In this economy?
There’s gotta be at least six figures worth of eggs in this photo
A woman is one of those things where know you one when you see one. Doesn’t have to be any more complex than that.
Like Jiminy Cricket said, “Let your conscience be your guide”
Look man I know that my taxonomy doesn’t work… but have you considered that it was created with the intent to work?
My understanding was that current consensus was that humans with ovaries are born with all of the eggs already created - waiting to be released - and no more are created after that. So you’re either born holding eggs or you ain’t, and intention and capability don’t come into it.
But that still doesn’t define “woman” though
It also excludes women with certain kinds of infertility.
The social/political definition of women should just be believe what people say they are because otherwise you’re creating a genital/dna inspector.
As for the biological definitions, we should teach more people biology. There are like 6 definitions of species so biology has trouble answering “what is a human”
It also excludes women with certain kinds of infertility.
That was my “main” premise for lack of a better word, but i agree with what you said :)
They said “without excluding” not “without including”
Oh, believe me, they don’t want this egg selling man to be called a woman.
I know, but that’s on them. They should’ve been more specific.
Do republicans think we’re gineapigs? Born completely formed with no developmental years?
I’m having trouble finding anyone born with intention. Neither biology nor evolution have plans or intentions. We are fundamentally lipid based sacks of water.
They’re arguing from a religious perspective that understands God as providing intentionality
Ah, I can see Diogenes has made an impact on people.
A woman is when a guy crosses the line. You say “Wo! Man!”
That man is moments away from financial disaster
That man is 100% in Germany. He’s fine.
I once dropped 6 eggs while working and cried
There’s hormonal, chromosomal, and gamete definitions of biological woman/man and you’ll want to be specific about which youre referencing and why it is even relevent for the text.
Hormonal woman with XY (“male”) chromosomes and no eggs: Complete Androgen Insensitivity
Chromosomal woman with no eggs and low hormones: Swyer Syndrome (born without ovaries)
Men who have eggs: Chimeras, probably, and this guy: https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-man-shocked-learn-ovaries-202311718.html
I find the phrase “Born with the intention” in itself worthy of head-scratching.
I think its meant sort of as physical intention aka the body doesn’t have the ability to “hold eggs” (jfc) yet but will try to develop the capability in the future. A sneaky way to try and include infertile cis women but it still excludes many of them as there are various reasons for infertility. Interestingly the phrasing also excludes all women post menopause but that’s to be expected given the amount of representation those usually get (the amount being zero).
Women are born with their eggs, but that’s not true for women who are born without ovaries, which has got to be possible, so this is a dumb definition anyway
You’re right, and that whole argument is sidestepping the fact what they really want is a separation between men and women so that they can attempt to force a safe space for women that appeals to their sensibilities of women being born weaker than men with lower bone density and testosterone while not allowing glaring loopholes. Which is how they really view women as an infantile subset of our species that needs protection from a minority of opportunists that would take advantage of them.
Also post-hysterectomy if it includes the ovaries. Sorry bitch, still a woman.
Personally my definition of a woman is anyone subject to misogyny.
I suppose it’s wrong, because attacks on transmen are also rooted in misogyny, but that’s the misogynists’ fault.
For the religious: “Sometimes God puts a soul into a body that doesn’t match. The soul is sacred, and until it can be released from the body permanently, we owe it to those souls to recognize and help them. God doesn’t make mistakes, it’s us He’s testing.”
Technically, it doesn’t even need to include the ovaries if the bigots are defining the womb as the ‘holding eggs’ bit.
Jesus, we need better mandatory biology classes. (That’s aimed at the people defining women as egg holders, not you.)
I don’t agree with it, but the reason this religious argument (and most challenges of religion) falls flat, is because, to the true believer, their God is infallible, and so the idea of God making a mistake like that is on direct conflict with their core beliefs.
Christians famously don’t think children can get cancer or the plague, because “God doesn’t make mistakes”. Blind children and children in wheelchairs? A hoax by the devil, clearly.
As I said, it’s not a mistake, it to test us, to be sure we’re following His edicts to love one another and judge not.
Of course to the false “believer,” hating and judging has become second nature and their “Christian” lives are the deepest blasphemy.
But to a decent person who’s already beginning to question the false doctrine in which they’ve been raised, it opens a chink in the wall.
Why does God need to test us? Doesn’t he already know whether or not we’d pass?
I don’t disagree with you myself, but remember the apple? According to Godologists that was just the first of thousands of tests, including your impure thoughts last week. It’s kinda his thing. So I see no problem using it to get through to them.
Wasn’t even an apple. It was literally “the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”
So, basically, before eating that fruit, Eve could not have possibly known right from wrong. So how is it her fault?
Why would god make that tree in the first place? Why would he make that tree, and then insert it into his perfect paradise? Why would he make the tree, insert it into his perfect paradise, but then forbid the humans from eating the fruit, and thus gaining the understanding of good and evil? Why wouldn’t he want humans to have that knowledge? Why would he allow the serpent (who never told Eve to eat the fruit, btw, he just said it was something that was possible for her to do) to exist there in the first place?
And lastly, if he’s all-knowing, why the fuck would he be surprised by any of this?
Born with the intention to chew bubblegum & Rock n’ Roll.
I was born with the intention to be wild, but I got busy and haven’t had the time.
AND I’M ALL OUTTA BUBBLEGUM
Diogenes would be proud here
My first thought too.
To anyone unaware, plato defined man as “a featherless biped” so Diogenes brought a plucked chicken
You can’t spell genius without Diogenes
Diogenius
I wonder how Plato would have defined man if he knew kangaroos existed.
featherless tail-less biped? then we could have a story about Diogenes fighting a kangaroo to cut off its tail
Why does it always come back to chickens?
Because they couldn’t figure out what to make chicken taste like, which is why chicken tastes like everything.
“It’s just business”
He was so much more polite after Amos.
One internet search later:
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/born-without-ovaries-634173
There are cis women born without ovaries.
Thus Lea the bigot is disproven.
Bigots will just say they’re not true women. That goalpost has legs.
I think she already knew, why else would she mention the people born with the intent of holding eggs (whatever that means).
