In response to a comment explaining that neither ship was Chinese:
And this is why China needs to stop being gigantic bullies and jerks in those waters. It leads to tensions where even routine stupid collisions in very crowded waters are instantly assumed to be hostile actions. If this had been a Chinese ship that had been struck, the Chinese would have instantly reacted the same way and they would have started howling for blood before the facts were known. Until China dials down the aggression, this area is a powder keg that they have created and sparks are flying every day. Today’s mishap was another spark and everybody is lucky that the shooting didn’t start. It’s up to the Chinese to stop this and dial back the tension.
edit: wow, the China trolls are out for this comment! Sorry, kids. Have a nice afternoon.
edit: wow, the China trolls are out for this comment! Sorry, kids. Have a nice afternoon.
I am the main character of the universe and am so important that the Chinese government is personally targeting me.
If China had done it, they would’ve reacted the same way. Why are they such bullies in this scenario I made up in my head? Now I’m angry, which is also China’s fault!
The absolute dressing on this is how many of these dipshits immediately thought it was Chinese, without realizing if that were the case the headline would be something akin to ‘Three dead and dozens injured after Chinese vessel collides with Philippines fishing merchant after taking dangerous route’.
The media is already nearly as sinophobic as possible and it STILL isn’t good enough for these baying hounds.
The original title of the article called the accident an attack, before they confirmed it was not a chinese boat.
The media is already nearly as sinophobic as possible and it STILL isn’t good enough for these baying hounds.
Remember when something like 2 weeks ago Reuters published article slightly critical of Ukraine and was immediately called “Russian propaganda” and even literally “Lemmygrad news” on lemmy?
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Nobody tell Redditors about Reddit Island’s policies regarding the South China Sea.
The icing on this turd is that the US just started their war games with the Philippines in the South China Sea yesterday
Lol remember when the US fired their wunderwaffle HIMARS in their last round of exercises with the Philippines? They launched the missiles at a target hulk and all of them missed. They basically went “well, if that was a Chinese ship they’d be real scared.”
Or the two naval bases there.
China made me shit my pants
Then Xi personally force fed it to me.
China is the reason my wife left me!!!
- luminosity levels rivalling a quasar
“If I simply project even harder, we can imagine a made-up scenario where I am the reasonable one. Checkmate!”
If this had been a Chinese ship that had been struck, the Chinese would have instantly reacted the same way and they would have started howling for blood before the facts were known.
Bro still can’t accept the embarrassment after shooting a $1 million missile at a child’s weather balloon
“If the situation had been completely different the Chinese might have done something bad if they acted like how I, someone who clearly hates Chinese people, presume they would act!”
Makes you think.
This might be the most Reddit moment of all Reddit moments to ever Reddit moment.
At least the replies to that post roundly rejected it though, even though this post managed to be upvoted. Trying to stay as bloomer as possible lol.
“Ah well, nevertheless”
Really makes you think
[–]HuJimX 37 points 4 hours ago yeah it’s definitely China’s fault that a Korean vessel sunk a Filipino fishing boat. fuckin mao ze dong
[–]stoopidmothafunka [score hidden] an hour ago I’m sure you’re not personally invested in China’s reputation, Hu Jim
“Hate the government, not the people”
Possibly Chinese person: actual argument
Cracker: have you considered that you’re asiatic?
Nick Mullen: “uhh, you’re Chinese”
Oh shit, sometimes I forget that.
hmm… you wish to comment on matters of international politics? have you made sure you’re on the list of approved races?
Let me get out my chart here
A lot of east Asians do fit the upper half so meme needs some addendums.
Whiteness was never really about skin tone or physical features. Remember that the Yanks didn’t consider the Irish white and the Germans didn’t consider Slavs white. Line all those 4 different nationalities up and you’d have a hard time telling them apart, but racism is dumb.
Honestly the use of “whiteness” as a social construct is not helping. People not neck deep into the terminology just don’t understand it, and it’s also not consistent with others.
You can tell them apart, but Slavs and Irish are frequently paler than Saxons.
The addendum is
*only after nationality/ethnicity is known
Otherwise they’ll just shoot us if we speak because they’ll all assume we’re Chinese
Literally rebutting the clarification. Unbelievable these people
Really incredible stuff. Even after learning it was a Korean ship they manage to blame China
“Well the fact that I immediately jumped to blaming China in my head just shows how bad they really are! Not a dipshit btw”
due to poes law, there is just no way of knowing
It’s
, you don’t need Poe’s Law on this one; it’s just unbridled racism
Reddit has recognized our claim. Now is the time for China to reclaim our wayward tributary state. Once again the king of Choseon shall bow to the Middle Kingdom.
It’s like when BurgerLanders were calling for Iraqi blood after 9/11.
I remember that! It was like the MK ultra trigger went off for a bunch of people all at once
Iirc one of the first things Saddam did was make a statement that said (wildly paraphrasing here): “lol you guys totally deserved that but it totally wasn’t me.” He knew the USA would have that reaction.
Dude there was this cool coffee shop called Osama’s that had to close after 9/11 because people kept destroying it.
People, man.
There is a word for people hating a particular ethnic group with zero rational reasons.
I wonder what that word is
White.
Cracker.
As a non Mayonaise-American, I didn’t think it was appropriate to use the hard “r”.
It’s okay, I’m giving you a c-word pass.
cripes
The politically correct way to say it is in Maoist Standard English, “kkkrakkka”
All those dorks talking about the mandate of heaven in an extremely orientalist way. Did Liz Truss have the divine right of kings? Lmao
It always tickles me when Westerners talk about “face” and “saving face”. Like bruh are you seriously going to tell me you don’t understand the concept of doing things to avoid embarrassment?
Yeah but when we do it it’s normal and natural, when the other does it it’s because of a millenia old spiritualistic religious ancient ritual observance protocol, that their brainpan isnt advanced enough to dismiss.
Do different culture have different words for similar things? No… they are aliens with no relatable qualities… It really shows how chaunvinistic and racist folks are.
Yes she just lost it extremely quickly to a lettuce
Uncritical support for the divinely mandated lettuce
jfc, it’s the whole comment section. I expected a few assholes. Then they keep posting through it after they’re objectively wrong.
We’re so hosed.
Like, reddit libs can’t even remember when they used to think orange-man silly because he’s obsessed with China.
China bad. That’s the entire extent of their thought process. Aside from the rabid racism, of course.
To be fair (just enough), some of the China bad takes are getting clowned on in that thread, surprisingly, but it’s kind of the same deal as the Klanadian parliament seal clapping a Waffen SS, some of them will go “Nevertheless, the fact I thought it was China means China bad” but the facts of the matter being embarassingly against it prevents them to really keep pushing the
usual talking points
Haters become waiters at the table of success.
I scrolled down one random interval, saw some redditor talking about the Mandate of Heaven, and dipped.
"Guys, did you know that the Chinese have this crazy mystical belief that…
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… people get rebellious when their lives are bad? Wild shit."
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The Mandate of ‘Not Perfect, But…’
The Mandate of Lesser Level of Hell
Totally not racist btw
the warlords aren’t going to get rid of xi jinping because Mao killed the warlords
At a certain point I’ve become a little impressed with how deeply they’ve managed to embed those
in redditors. The ones that aren’t outright bots are more worm than brain by nowAmerica NEEDS a sinister enemy to function.
false flag alien attack keeps looking like a better idea every year
did someone say false flag alien attack?
they’re still doing a bad job at functioning too
They need a sister enemy that also isn’t a key aspect of the economy or able to fight back. Which leaves out Russia and China.
The US is getting ready to invade Haiti.
Only because you have a humane viewpoint on how it should function
Casually racist website. Just like after 9/11 when it was very OK to to be casually racist against anyone who was tan skinned or appeared to be of a middle eastern descent and muslim.
Just like back then, I predict in a few years we will get the rebound effect where we have episodes of a tv show or a movie where a Chinese character will appear to be the villain but actually help the white protagonist against the real villain (chinese state, or american defector to china). This is Hollywood’s version of DEI.
Chinese Red Sparrow
As a would-be academic historian, it makes my blood boil when these ignorant chickenhawks bring up the Mandate of Heaven as though that concept still had any political currency in China whatsoever
Grew up in China and did college in US. First time I read about “mandate of Heaven” in English-language histories of China I had to look it up cuz I had no idea what they were talking about, even with guess work
No, no no, I was asking for the Man Date of Heaven ! 
Folks, is it gay for a straight man to want a Man Date of Heaven? /s
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If it makes it better a school friend of mine did join the military and became an officer. During one lecture about China and the countries structure they heavily leaned on the “mandate of Heaven” and argued that bad economy means people think the heaven doesn’t favour the leaders / CPC anymore and there might be a window for “economic reforms”.
Rather than thinking material reality matters for people the Westerners hold up concepts that are at best orientalist caricatures of times long past. He came back from that workshop and was having a hard case of
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The US likes projecting how they really feel about themselves onto other countries.
First time I read it was in the English translation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms I think. I definitely remember reading about it on Wikipedia but I think that was spurred by trying to understand what the heck was going on in Three Kingdoms.
I love RotTK but god damn does it require a lot of reading on historical & cultural context.
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unrelated comments about three kingdoms
it’s really a great read if you can push through the density and the historical/cultural barrier. The entire novel is a fascinating argument against great man theory by the end; all the legendary heroic figures are dead and gone and life continued. I used to hate the ending as a kid (who got into it because of Dynasty Warriors of course) but it is really poignant looking back.
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Worth it entirely for understanding Mandate of Heaven jokes of course.
The entire novel is a fascinating argument against great man theory by the end; all the legendary heroic figures are dead and gone and life continued.
Is this deliberate, do you think?
I want to say yes to a degree - “great man theory” hadn’t been codified by the time RotTK was written of course but despite the larger than life figures present in the novel I think it refutes the assumptions that lead to the theory.
We have these legendary figures who are sure their actions are backed by inevitable destiny, or are absolute paragons of heroism etc. Guan Yu, Zhuge Liang, Liu Bei, Cao Cao etc. and each eventually pass into history as the wars continue to their end. Some are lauded for their virtues and their deaths are lamented but it’s never said that this was truly the end of some great era of heroes or some such. The ambitions of humans and the rise and fall of nations continues. It’s there from the beginning, the novel is prefaced with the poem:
On and on the Great River rolls, racing east,
Of proud and gallant heroes its white-tops leave no trace,
As right and wrong, pride and fall turn all at once unreal.
Yet ever the green hills stay
To blaze in the west-waning day.
Fishers and woodmen comb the river isles.
White-crowned, they’ve seen enough of spring and autumn tide
To make good company over the wine jar,
Where many a famed event
Provides their merriment.
As I said it used to make me sad to see all these great larger than life heroes die or stray from heroism, what have you, but it rings more true this way I think. Human lives are ephemeral and time again the “greatest” lives are proven to just be human like any other, fallible and fleeting. Life continues.
I see what you mean and agree about tbe apparent bent of the poem. Incidentally, it is quite a nice poem and reminds me of another old Chinese poem where someone talks about how they and their life changed over the decades but the rain remains the same (staged much more artfully than that, of course).
If you think about it, Xi is just Lu Bu
mandate of heaven : drake frowning :: divine right of kings : drake smiling
Liberals are so bloodthirsty
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Isn’t Russia literally the world’s largest producer of wheat?
I sure wonder how China would get food without maritime trade.
yeah China’s not the UK even if they were to import food they could do it overland
My friend’s partner grew up in China, when I asked them they said people who tend to have more money prefer imported food due to their negative association with food produced in China.
When I asked why, they said some of it seemed to be a holdover from the earlier tumultuous periods in China’s recent history. They said their family would only eat imported beef for example. Note, this person could attend a school in the imperial core as an international student, they aren’t representative of the average Chinese citizen, this is only an anecdote and should be treated as such.
I don’t have a source for the following, unfortunately, but I was reading about the introduction in China of domestic production of pharmaceuticals to decrease costs and, you know, own the means of production. Some drug manufacturers couldn’t compete or had to reduce costs by a large margin. For some that couldn’t compete, they would license their branding for the domestic drugs since they had the trademarks and IP for it. One thing which I think is a corollary to what my friend’s partner said, is that the article mentioned some wealthier Chinese would import brand-name drugs with the same active ingredient as the domestic one, because they thought they would be more effective.
What really got me was in the article they mentioned that only like, a set number of drugs are introduced, and even then places like hospitals have to bid on them in some way. As well, they don’t get approved without rigorous testing. The anecdotes from the wealthier folks was that the imported stuff was better (i.e. more effective), if only slightly. The article also mentioned a few reports (I think from social media?) of people having apparent adverse reactions after they changed to the domestically produced drug. They also mentioned that there wasn’t any research or studies showing that to be the case, and it was only a handful of reports. Something that was being investigated at present.
well that sounds like there is local beef but some would prefer not to eat it.
Also the local vs foreign drugs might be a placebo effect
Yeah, plenty of people but Tylenol instead of generic acetaminophen
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I read that as the Adam Sandler Institute
“You Don’t Mess With The Zohan” is some of the most acclaimed geopolitical analysis of the late 2000’s.
A few comments down threw some sense into the mix saying it sounds like astroturfing is at least playing some role, and someone linked a very interesting web archive link: Reddit admins accidentally reveal "Eglin Air Force base as the most “Reddit addicted city”, from 2013. (and here’s a link to the web archive page if the original reddit post goes missing)
I found this paper that a Redditor said was funded by Eglin which shows how to influence conversations online and control majority opinion, but keep in mind I haven’t read the paper nor looked any deeper into the authors so take it with a grain of salt, unless you wanna look further.
Edit: apparently the official explanation is that Eglin is where military VPN traffic goes through, so everyone browsing Reddit on military networks does through Eglin. Kinda sus but seems reasonable imo
having all vpn traffic go through the same military base seems like it would be a major vulnerability
Having all the CIA managed sources log into a secure website the same way seems like a major vulnerability
And it was!
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They have one neck now
There’s no way the military just has a single VPN endpoint. That sounds insanely unreliable for an organization that’s supposed to be able to handle war.
That paper is… something.
Basically all that calculus to say that individuals are influenced most by their closest peers and allow for more difference of opinion from them than strangers, therefore “agents” of a state (not kidding) should exploit this and find some way to use person-to-person social connections as a more
covertdecentralized way to manipulate people.Pretty fucked tbh, and the Elgin airbase credit is there (more concerningly it’s the research lab Munitions Directorate). The way things are going, I’m not convinced they’ll ever find that “directed spanning tree” of influence that glowies are praying for. They’ve also got a whole paragraph of assumptions, like “the social states of leaders are immutable”. LOL maybe they’re not sending their best.
Edit: apparently the official explanation is that Eglin is where military VPN traffic goes through, so everyone browsing Reddit on military networks does through Eglin. Kinda sus but seems reasonable imo
If someone is in the military, do that have to use this VPN on every device at all times?
