Its been broken for a while. Just a reminder that the Equal Rights Amendment of 1972 isn’t technically implemented because Virginia didn’t ratify until 2020 and now there are questions of expired deadlines and recisions.

Currently 94% of states have medical marijuana yet its still federally illegal and scheduled as a drug with no medical value. That’s a good indicator of consensus not meaning jack to the federal government.

Same as how they passed prohibition.

It’s actually quite fascinating even as it is disconcerting.

They lobbied state by state, and focused on a few key legislators, threatening their seat, until the rest fell in line.

They didn’t have to fight them all at once, so they could focus their resources.

I think you’re giving them too much credit. It’s more like, “I can’t ask Grok while everyone’s looking!”

Yep. And the phrase NATIVE Americans is a fucking clue

Aware is too strong a term.

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Also just to normalize it in the American zeitgeist. Them entertaining it gives the illusion that there’s some merit to the argument. In a year or two when everyone believes there’s legitimate arguments on both sides of the issue due to it being an issue they keep hearing about in the news, they’ll ratchet it a few steps further toward their goal.

What about that they may be born on tribal lands that im sure they can somehow say as not born in the USA?

Along with that, they are protected by international treaties because some tribal lands straddle the border between the US and Canada or Mexico. As nations that pre-date colonialism, they’re allowed to move freely within their lands, which might take them over an international border.

So someone might be born on tribal lands in Canada but live in the US and have tribal rights, but not be an American. Or vice versa.

I very much could be wrong, but I was under the impression that this was at least partly a jurisdictional thing, not a personal thing. In other words, that it was being on tribal land that made the difference, not necessarily being a member of the tribe. I’m pretty sure Native American tribe members don’t have some sort of blanket immunity to all state laws no matter where they happen to be; I think it’s that state laws don’t apply within reservations, despite the land the reservation is on otherwise counting as part of the state.

Wong Kim Ark was itself a baffling decision imho. I read through it once. It seemed to me that it should have been 1 sentence, “Constitution says citizen, therefore he legally is one”. Instead it went through dozens of pages of nuanced and somewhat precarious reasoning to reach the same conclusion.

That the current SCOTUS took this case at all made it sound like they were inclined to overturn Wong Kim Ark, and decide that the Constitution really didn’t mean what it said.

How is a sovereign entity different from a sovereign nation? If it is different.

Except that they most certainly are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States - hell, they pay federal taxes. They aren’t subject to the jurisdiction of any particular state is all.

Not since January 2025

What do you mean?

They aren’t exactly the same politically as they were in the “olden days,” but they are the same “people,” whose culture has evolved.

For instance, modern Italians are the descendants of Romans. They are the same people, even if their governmental system.has changed (and it has changed often in Italy).

But countries like America or Australia aren’t populated by the same people from long ago. The original indigenous inhabitants didn’t become the primary population like they did in Italy, or England, or France, or Ukraine. We grew because boatloads of people came here from all over the world, and settled here.

Modern Italians, British, French, etc. have always been there, modern Americans haven’t. We didn’t come from here, we came from everywhere else.

Right, these new worlds weren’t empty of humans, and I’ve addressed this in other posts. The difference is that those indigenous cultures never evolved far enough to be able to resist the onslaught of the far more technological alien invaders, so their cultures basically ended, and were replaced by the melting pot cultures that came after. A lot of it wasn’t even due to advanced technologies like swords and armor and guns. Pathogens probably did at least half the work for the invaders.

Frankly, that same thing probably happened all over the planet, but it happened so far back that we don’t know about it. The conquering of the Americas and the Pacific nations, happened within our written history, so we’re aware of it, but the earliest indigenous populations probably suffered the same fate.

For instance, millennia ago, Modern Humans and Meanderthals co-existed, with Neanderthals being the older, and presumably indigenous culture, but Modern Humans eventually prevailed. Just knowing human nature as is we all do, it is doubtful that the Neanderthals simply died out quietly. At least in some places, they were almost certainly exterminated. People have been people for as long as there have been people, so it’s a pretty safe bet that at some stage, someone pointed to those people with the heavy brow-ridges, and invented a reason for murdering ALL of them.

After that, civilizations evolved, and isolated by lack of travel options, established their own local/regional cultures that were passed down to create the nations we have today.

America, Australia, etc. are following the same basic path as those ancient civilizations, we’re just here to witness this one, but ancient civilizations were probably just as genocidal in establishing their own cultures, if not worse.

You understand that modern Italians and Romans are the same people, right? That modern British, and early Britons are the same people? That modern Scandinavians and Vikings are the same people? That modern French, and the Gauls were the same people? That modern Egyptians, and those that built the pyramids are the same people? That modern Greeks and ancient Greeks are the same people? Modern Chinese and ancient Chinese are the same people? Same with Japanese, Korean, African, Russians, Turkish, etc.

They have all occupied the same territory as their ancestors, they look the same, speak the same, eat the same, listen to the same music, etc. Their societies/civilizations may have evolved over millennia, as did their political systems, but they are still the same PEOPLE, with the same CULTURE.

But the Western Hemisphere, and a few islands like Australia and New Zealand, were basically empty, except for an indigenous population, who simply weren’t prepared for an invasion by a technologically advanced race of aliens from what might as well be Outer Space.

The indigenous occupants were quickly overrun, aided partially by alien pathogens, and then occupied by immigrants from all over the globe. These cultures do not resemble any single culture, like the world was accustomed to, they became a blend, and the world had to become accustomed to a new kind of national culture.

Americans aren’t Purebreds, we’re Mutts. A nation like ours can’t base their citizenship solely on descent from a long established culture, we are too young for that to properly sustain a nation for millennia into the future. We require new blood from elsewhere to keep it growing.

Mutts are often known for being hardy because they carry the positive traits of their varied ancestors. That’s our strength, and immigration has given us that strength. MAGA wants us to reduce to a single purebred strain of human, which would eventually lead us to becoming a nation of incestuous inbreds like the Hapsburgs or the Pharonic Egyptians.

MAGA would probably love fucking their siblings, the weirdos.