I’m far more interested in a wage cap. Top level earner can’t earn more than 10x the lowest level earner in the company. And a it doesn’t matter the amount the wage is, if it isn’t also tied to inflation as we’ll be back fighting this fight again in short order if it isn’t. That of course is take all of this at face value, and pretending it’s not just theater.
Though overall I would still prefer people rejecting the current business structures and making employee-owned businesses the new way. Go Pirate with the whole thing, everybody works for shares. Unions/Min. Wage are just compromises from realizing the true potential and pay of the working class.
They just get non-salary benefits
the “the 1%” meme is really anti-class consciousness, rich workers are workers, this individual literally forgot investors exist
The real money is made on assets, not income
I’m not an expert, but in that case, the company just splits into different sub-companies, no? The manufacturing arm would have a CEO paid in stocks and lower level workers still make nothing.
I wouldn’t even hold my breath for 1000x
Can’t wait for this to not go anywhere and have several dems finger-wag for the next several years saying there’s nothing they can do
This is one of those ask for 100 so you can negotiate down to 50 kind of things isn’t it? Or just a pretend attempt to look good when it’s obviously rejected.
No, it phases in over a few years.
You’re saying that as if it passed and will be going into effect. This will absolutely not pass if the 15 an hour that’s been attempted constantly over the last decade hasn’t.
It’s a pretend attempt lol
Yes to both probably
These same commenters will make fun of reddit and twitter for always being cynical and rage fueled.
And it’s still too low for anybody to live off of.
It would double my wages. Anything is better than nothing.
Or turn you unemployed if employment at new wage isn’t feasible.
Do you really think that wages are low because higher wages would make the businesses fail? Wages are low because businesses have no incentive to raise them in an employer’s market, that’s it. They make higher margins and keep the difference.
Both cases are possible. Wages may be low because of surplus of working force on the market (hence no incentives to rise wages) or can be result of extremely low margins at the given industry.
There can be tens of reasons why wages are poor, and rising minimum pay solves the issue only in some cases
Of course, there will be edge cases of industries that have not improved their margins over the years. But the fact that prices follow inflation, and wages do not, is enough information to generalise that businesses are just greedy as fuck.
Yes. This wont work without taxing rich properly
Most states have gone well beyond the federal wage so this would mainly just bring it to approximately the norm in most states.
$7.25 minimum wage still exist here in this state while across the river its more than $15
In my state its $15 but I haven’t seen a job in my town posted in the last 8+ years for under $21 because vhcol.
The general consensus is minimum wage is whatever the grocery store is hiring at (they have had a poster at the front door for 20 years now posting what theyre hiring at. Right now its $32/$35 for overnight restocking) - every buisness owner knows theyre not going going to get any applications if they can’t beat it.
Even tipped positions all pay $16+ so people can actually make rent.
Our local paper just did a story on this this morning. Only 44% of full time workers here make a living wage due to the low wages.
https://www.inquirer.com/business/living-wage-philadelphia-dayforce-work-20260429.html
Which should be a good starting place
Democrats pretend to want to do the right thing when they’re not in power.
When they’re in power, we get more than enough no votes to sink it and tonedeaf celebration of the girlboss energy of Sinema’s thumbs down.
I’m only 26 and I’ve seen this happen at least 26 times
From 1 to 3 - great!
More theatre? I would hope not but fuck this timeline…
Do you think this is gonna pass? I’m not sure what you expect here.
If Dems get 56% of seats, this’ll likely pass. (51% isn’t enough because Fetterman is nearly useless).
For some reason people here really want to focus on the few potential holdouts rather than the 50% or more of Republicans who are the real reason this won’t pass.
$25 would destroy any ability for most small businesses to ever get larger or going at all.
I’m basically dying a slave holding a paintbrush in that timeline or raising prices 5x at least. $2k a month for employee health insurance. $25 an hour. Kiss literally everything that isn’t a major corp goodbye!
What needs to happen is redistributing that wealth those corps stole from us.
Maybe we should do universal healthcare too. That would help them.
I’m not one of those anarchists that thinks nobody needs to work, but I think universal healthcare, an actual living minimum wage, and a 32-36 hour work week are all achievable.
I mean… Look at most other first world countries, you don’t need to think, it’s pretty reasonable shown it’s a thing
Universal Healthcare definitely is achievable but it requires a lot of tax money.
Right now US total taxation level is ~30%. If you want EU style safety net on you, then expect 45-50%
Sure is a good thing we don’t currently count healthcare costs as taxes, or that’d look a lot different. Did you know most employers spend more on your healthcare than you do?
Whatever you call it, it would be nice to have more take home pay.
How about reforming healthcare so it’s both private and reasonably priced?
Small businesses die out, often times, because people can’t afford to buy their stuff. One of the most basic signs of a good economy is small amounts changing hands often. Places like Walmart dominate the field because everyone is so poor they need to worry about saving single dollars and many cannot responsibly buy from local businesses. It’s literally a business strategy for Walmart, Amazon, etc. to undercut long enough to drive out small business and then they keep their employees too poor to fight back.
You’re scared, and I get that, but it will be ok.
Small business’s definitely can afford to pay 25$ an hour. If they can’t, they dont deserve to be in businessm
yeah its not going to effect mom and pop shops if you are actually talking family run. It will make it more cautious in growing but if anything it will make it harder to have a business where the owner stops working. I would prefer more the thing where the highest compensation can’t be over 100x the lowest but im not going to quibble about the best way to do good things over bad things.
Not sure why this is getting down voted so hard. There are a ton of small businesses that have really small margins, just think about how many didn’t survive COVID. Any businesses that hire lots of low skill labourers would struggle to get off the ground.
im fine with this kind of theater. I would prefer tax bills to recover tax dodges but im not going to nope out on this by writing it off as theater. this timeline has a lot worse things than attempts to raised the minimum wage
Yeah this is going nowhere and it’s not going to flip anyone to their side. Performative bullshit.
Thanks I guess? Maybe try stopping the fascist movement first… we can talk about empty promises later, but I ain’t seen y’all push back worth a fuck. Sure as shit, I don’t believe that weak sentiment if ya can’t even oust a certified pedo
Maybe try stopping the fascist movement first
Hard to do when voters just handed control of all branches of government to Republicans.
Yet republicans manage to get all sorts of things done when they didn’t even have a majority.
So democrats can try harder. Democrats can remove the pedotus by any means necessary.
Pedotus tried (succeeded?) to overthrow the us government and nothing happened to him. He got reelected.
Democrats can do so so much more. As proven by republicans. Yet they don’t. Why?
Because
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SCOTUS is corrupt, filled by Republican partisans, after voters gave Republicans the power to choose judges
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It is way easier to block stuff, than to pass stuff. So when Republicans right now is preventing a minimum wage increase, Republicans can do that
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“Democrats can remove the pedotus by any means necessary.” - which requires a supermajority in the Senate. Whereas leaving Trump in power requires nothing. So Republicans “win”.
And yet they aren’t blocking anything Trump is doing…
They. Don’t. Have. The. Power. To. Do. So.
Voters have not given Democrats the power to block anything. Republicans control both chambers of Congress. How is that so hard to understand?
Not having control of Congress never stopped the Republicans from throwing wrenches into things. Figure. it. out. Cheat if they have to. If this shit goes on til midterms we’re never getting out of this.
Trump is governing by executive order. Hence the Democrats have to proactively pass laws to stop Trump. It is not a bill Democrats can filibuster in the Senate.
Whereas Democrats actually try to pass bills, as the system is supposed to work. And when Biden or Obama did try to use executive orders, they were often blocked by SCOTUS. Because US voters allowed Republican Presidents to stack the courts with partisans.
Also, generally Democrats are trying to build stuff. Whereas Republicans are trying to block or destroy stuff. destroying stuff is inherently easier.
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A minimum wage increase without action against the powers and institutions that can simply adjust their practices to continue to make even $25/hr unlivable is just a bigger loaf of bread at a bigger circus. For a year or two the plebs will live like kings, then the new reality will hit. Democrats will do anything to win their base, but they’ll never actually confront the system. Fight for a world where $7.25 is a livable wage instead of one where $25 is just an opportunity for the wealthy to figure out new means to extract that much more out of you while your quality of life remains the same as it was before.
Both parties are in on the whole thing, the system being rigged from the very beginning. I don’t buy any of it; it’s all theater.
I fully believe this now.
Losing to the worst man to ever live in modern times. Twice.
The people don’t want democrats. Democrats are the fucking block from the people to actually do anything. They are standing in our fucking way.
I fully believe that’s on purpose and I also believe the only way out of this is to let them lose so fucking hard no one can pretend anymore.
Those fucking pieces of shit backed us right up to fascism to retain power. I fucking hate those people for doing this to us.
Let them lose and let us fucking fight for the America we actually want.
Trump white house just posted " 2 kings" and these people still trying to pass fake bills?
The people of the US need to woke up before it is too late if they want their democracy back, otherwise they can accept the new kingdom.
I am not sure what he will call it, maybe just Trump
these people still trying to pass fake bills?
Telling voters what to expect, if voters give Democrats power, is not “fake bills”. What do you want, for Democrats to not tell voters what they would pass, if given power?
Telling voters what to expect, if voters give Democrats power
After decades of lies, you’ll have to excuse the skepticism of people who have been paying attention.
They will be talking about this bill being shut down by Republicans for the next 20 years. They will talk about how improper it would be to reintroduce the bill after it was voted down. If they are ever in power they will point to this failed bill whenever the min wage comes up. They know that it will never pass, that’s why it’s being done now.
Democrats have not had a filibuster-proof majority for almost 20 years.
Sometimes I think Americans don’t know how democracy works. You can’t blame a party for not passing stuff, if you don’t give that party the power to pass stuff.
Democrats have not had a filibuster-proof majority for almost 20 years.
Stop using the filibuster as an excuse for democrats blocking what you want blocked. They could have ended the filibuster for good with a simple majority any time they had one.
Sometimes I think Americans don’t know how democracy works.
Sometimes I wish the genocide wing could come up with a new way to gaslight people who say things they don’t want to hear.
Uhh that would require them to try this shit when in power, which they don’t do.
Democrats have not had a filibuster-proof majority for almost 20 years.
Sometimes I think Americans don’t know how democracy works. You can’t blame a party for not passing stuff, if you don’t give that party the power to pass stuff.
I am blaming them for only bringing this up and pushing it when Republicans are in power. Reading comprehension is hard sometimes.
Wild how republicans can enact the most heinous shit then huh
Example please?
any other bill then to solve the current crises, they are banking on the problems snowballing so they get elected over the gop. it was the same thing senator warren/kloubacher did a useless “flag lesgislation”
We need a revolution to undo the damage of this administration. Democrats aren’t going to do shit and they’re all owned by the AIPAC Uniparty. This administration has been devastating to our future. Heads need to roll and I haven’t heard any democrats running on real accountability and a hard line against Israel
the current DNC schumer and his cohorts are there to prevent any leftward shift in voting patterns, the gop are design to ratchet everything to the right.
And pin it to an inflation index maybe?
I feel like many “cost of living” type laws need to be pinned together. For example the 401k yearly contribution limit and tax brackets should be defined as a multiple of minimum wage and not raised automatically each year without it.
Pin it to congressional compensation.
Pin it to the sum of all campaign contributions and congretional “gifts”.
Only if that includes what they make from all sources. I could see them being bribed into reducing their pay and framing it as a selfless move for bucket-crab voters. Their new owners will make the investment back as soon as employee pay gets adjusted back down.
Damn this is an amazing idea.
They would just stop increasing their comp and accept more
bribesdonations.
They pinned it to median income.
Tying it to the mean would be better. When the top 10% of earners are doing 50% of the spending, the median is useless.
Pin it to cost-of-living.
This thing is just theater. This is like asking for paleontological accuracy in a Godzilla movie. It’s an important detail in reality but not in these theatrics.
It will definitely increase inflation.
That thing that’s already gone up in the last 16+ years without the minimum wage doing up once?
When you lose your job scrounging up .20 cents for bread is easier than $10 regardless of inflation.
its performative for election, almost everywhere even in red states has raised the minimum wage since. remember one of the dem senators was introducing a bill about our flag, that amounts to nothing.
$7.25 in this red state…
Moving the goal posts for someone else doesn’t negate the original comment’s thesis. Raising minimum wage doesn’t increase inflation, because as we’ve seen inflation has already gone up.
Raising minimum wage (especially when tied to inflation and regional cost of living) often provides people with more spending power and work life balance. More money flows thru the economy while also allowing savings to increase. It can also cause other skilled labor jobs to see an increase in wages, and higher union attendance.
Pay people better. Don’t simp for the oligarchs.
There are always doomsayers saying raising the minimum wage will do <insert economic doomsday opinion>. And over and over it’s shown to not have that effect. What it does in improve the lives of millions of people.
What’s upjohn?
Similar to updawg I’d assume.
Absolutely, but so does everything else.
They can’t pass it. They don’t have majority. Now watch as they win midterms and this gets forgotten completely.
I mean, why not introduce this bill during any of the 4 years Biden was in office? Because it would’ve been actual policy, and they don’t want that. This is political virtue signaling and nothing more.
Now watch as they win midterms and this gets forgotten completely.
“We can’t pass it. We don’t have supermajority.”
They get supermajority.
“We can’t pass it. We don’t have the presidency”
They win presidential elections.
“We can’t just pass it. It has to be bipartisan or it’s bad for democracy”
They lose midterms.
This is specifically an optics move because they can’t pass it. Make headlines about this and a few other progressive moves in the run up to November and gain votes from the “fell for it again” neolib crowd. Then “whoops, 1-3 democrat senators are just real sticks in the mud and won’t go for it so I guess we give up”. Then frustration from the base and they eventually kill whatever momentum because they prove that when it comes to action they almost always cave. Then the gop sweeps up and regresses as much as possible.
Lieberman, sinema, manchin, now its fetterman. who will be the next “this 1-3 person group personally stops any and all progress in America for like a decade”. The ones that give those dumb neolibs ammo, because of course the party would do so much if it wasn’t for them and you just have to vote more so that the 1-3 person group can become a 3-5 person group
I mean, why not introduce this bill during any of the 4 years Biden was in office?
bCoS wE dOn’T hAvE tHe mAjOrItY!!
It’s the usual and convenient excuse that Dems and their neoliberal fans love to use. As if not having a majority in either houses ever stopped Republicans! If the Dems are really serious as an opposition, which they aren’t, then they have to make popular choices-- the kitchen table issues. And not only that, actually impeach and imprison Trump. I think America has to go under a fully fledged dictatorship for Americans to actually know when they see one; kinda like Brazil imprisoning Bolsonaro for trying to overthrow the election, and they are not letting up at all. Because Brazil suffered from decades of dictatorship. Americans did not indict and arrest Trump because they are still arguing whether or not he’s a fascist.
Meanwhile Trump calls himself a fascist. Lol the country is filled with brainrot. Give them their reality tv or whatever the fuck it is my fellow Americans do all day. Sounds like a completely different language when I’m around my countrymen. Nothing going on in the head.
So according to this there is absolutely nothing the Dems can do right now that would make you happy.
Yes because they are ineffective fucking liars.
You seem surprised that this is how losing trust works. If people don’t trust you will keep your promises, then it doesn’t matter what you promise them.
That being said, there are thing they can do that are not just virtue signalling.
Democrats cry minimum wage increase if they win.
Democrats cry legalized weed if they win.
Democrats cry codified Roe v Wade if they win.
Democrats cry ending the border wall if they win.
And then don’t do it when they win. And then get mad that people notice they got swindled.
Republicans sell lies and promise torture, and they deliver that. Lies and torture.
Drop all support for Iran war, pivot fundraising mechanisms away from Israeli influence, use bully pulpits and media to keep Epstein in the news cycle, direct more national funds to local DSA candidates, rotate gerontocracy out of party leadership, etc…
I don’t really mind them doing stuff like this too, though.
Cleansing itself from corporate corruption and zionism would be a good start.
Nothing they would actually do. Correct.
Sounds about right.
You guys have law protected minimum wage?
Cries in Finland
Technically yes, but the federal minimum wage right now is $7.25/hr (with a few exceptions). Even full-time at this amount is poverty level in most of the country, and many places now pay more than this anyway, so it doesn’t actually do much. In fact, now it seems like companies can use it as a way to suppress wages by saying look, we’re offering you $12/hr, which is almost double the minimum wage! In reality, that’s still insufficient to live anywhere by yourself in basically the entire country
The minimum wage has been raised twice since 1997, for a total of $2.10. The last increase was in 2009. It now stands at $7.25 an hour.
30 states have established their own Minimum Wage higher than the Federal minimum, but 20 states remain at the Federal minimum, all Red states, of course:
- Alabama (No state law)
- Georgia
- Idaho
- Indiana
- Iowa
- Kansas
- Kentucky
- Louisiana (No state law)
- Mississippi (No state law)
- New Hampshire
- North Carolina
- North Dakota
- Oklahoma
- Pennsylvania
- South Carolina (No state law)
- Tennessee (No state law)
- Texas
- Utah
- Wisconsin
- Wyoming
I make slightly more than that in East Europe, which is more or less average here. Granted, that’s only the “official” job, second or freelance jobs are quite popular here. While my day job is at factory, my nighttime job is mostly around computers (my very first job was webdev)
