• Elysia [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    My team seized this strip of land, under the guise of establishing a “humanitarian corridor”

    We also brought in Russian doctors and journalists, to increase the number of civilian casualties if NATO hit back.

    Most subtle NYT war crime apologia

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      “I played the war game from the perspective of an evil-doer evilly doing evil for evil reasons, like Putin.”

      I think the “rules-based international community” made it very very clear they don’t give a fuck about civilian casualties.

      I guess the NYTs writers have to keep up the pretense.

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        I think the “rules-based international community” made it very very clear they don’t give a fuck about civilian casualties.

        At this point they actively seem to revel in civilian casualties and use them to numb further reporting about a conflict, if how they kicked off the Iran war is anything to go by

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        One thing I was shocked to find from participating on boardgamegeek back in the day is just how many people really do take games seriously and don’t understand it’s just a game. “My mom always liked my sister better so I always attacked her in any game.” “I was in college before I knew a game could end without someone flipping the board and throwing punches.” I didn’t even know what flipping the board meant or that people commonly did it when they figured out they were going to lose.

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          I’ve gotten mad during a board game cause I was the one being constantly attacked by someone even to their own detriment. When someone would rather I lose than them win, I will be mad at them. I’ve for sure made people mad, my favorite games are Cosmic Encounter and Diplomacy and board games are my Safe Space for being a deceptive little shrew. Lying is totally allowed in both games and is basically a necessity in Diplomacy. If during a Cosmic Encounter negotiation if I say ill trade my strongest attack card for your weakest, it probably means I dont have any attack cards and tricking you into agreeing to giving a card away and allowing me some defense until I can draw again.

          Super long games where someone gets a runaway lead and you’re just playing out the inevitable for hours gets frustrating as hell if your group doesnt do mercy rules. Sometimes you could have another game in the time it takes to reach a slow but inevitable defeat and unless theres a way to play for 2nd place or whatever it stops being fun

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            The entire game of Diplomacy is “play for a few hours until you backstab someone.” Then that person quits and ruins the game. We used to play full 8 hour games of it in college but that was with people who understand it’s just a game. We all did back then. We played all sorts of awful,evil games like Survive!, Illuminati and Talisman which are nothing but conflict. Today’s gamers hate them.

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                Accept ONLY the 2nd edition. no expansions! It gets wildly unbalanced and too long. My brother found one and we play it every time we’re all together. PvP is an integral part of the game. Some of the characters only exist to attack the others. We used to play 5-7 players and it’s awesome.

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                  I played 3rd. When I was board gaming the most was like 2010ish when I was living with a gen x hippie with a house and open door for pals to come by. It was the board gaming place after the nerd shops shut down. He had a shitload of em and there was always at least one gsme happening. I liked 3 with the expansions he had, they just added areas on to the board and a few other win conditions, I think, neber played without em, I think it was the dungeon and highland expansions. Pvp mostly became a factor toward the end. I remember it being super fun as a 2 player game cause it went back and forth super fast and you both got to sorta level up for a final battle with each other, cause we decided regardless of what win condition we got, we had to beat the other player as well. It was also fun as hell with a big group but in a different way, good party vibes.

                  My favorite of all time is cosmic encounter. Is there a good online version yet? During the birth of hexbear an online diplomacy game was attempted but half the players ghosted. Id love to get some Hexbear diplomacy going. It works better online where you can DM or make public posts, you dont totally know each other and therefore cant do the personal level of manipulation that can make in person diplomacy with friends potentially rough, I have totally used real life stuff when playing to set people against each other, a roommate alliance must always be nipped in the bud and bringing up the dishes always gets the job done. Can’t do that online so it’s easier to stay friendly and it changes the dynamic. Plus a week between turns or so and playing over the course of most of a year just fits the game well. It feels like you’re representing a nation with other diplomats you dont really know personally. I know there’s online talisman but it sucks

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          “flipping the board” doesn’t mean ragequitting, it’s usually used by the geekiest player to explain how wormholes or parallel dimensions work by showing how a piece may theoretically pass through to the underside of the board.

          It works better with board games that have alternate maps on the flip sides.

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    How do people keep reading shit like this and not have even a moment if self reflection.

    Honestly, I ended up in one way discussion on db0 yesterday regarding the Ukraine war, and it was withering…

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        I always question anarchists on this line by asking “do you believe the people of Eastern Ukraine in Donbas and Crimea have a right to self determination?”

        It doesn’t often work online but I have definitely been effective in person with that one.

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        What really gets to me is how can they just not admit they were wrong now after a fucking decade of this russiagate bullshit?

        Especially in the last couple of years it should be abundantly clear that Russia isn’t the country that had the most influence on 2016 or any US election in my lifetime

        Tho I suppose that would mean admitting they don’t actually care about ukkkraine or Ukrainians and furthermore that their hatred for Russia in the first place came from a place of desperation because they couldn’t accept the truth that Hillary lost all on her own

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    I played this game as a NYT oped writer and summarily executed an entire kindergarten class, here’s why everyone at the NYT needs to be locked up

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    I got to do one of these things at GenCon. Our scenario was Putin suddenly dies of cancer. The guys running it got mad that the Communists took over. They were the only ones promising to expand military funding so we did a coup and nobody could stop us.

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    Then we opened a dialogue with the White House, insisting that Russian soldiers would be immediately withdrawn once the Europeans accommodated our demands. Chief among them were a rollback of NATO military infrastructure in Europe and nonexpansion of the alliance — pretty much what Mr. Putin demanded before invading Ukraine. Our position was simple: Give us what we want, or prepare for another war that could go nuclear.

    God damn I hate these people.

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    Please don’t call everything D&D. They don’t deserve that much space in your mind palace that you would call all make believe D&D.

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        It’s astounding what first mover advantage does. Within years of the first books there were already far, far better systems like Tunnels & Trolls or RuneQuest. But no, people still today play the worst one.

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          D&D wasn’t even the first IIRC. There were other role-playing games at the time, including fantasy RPGs. D&D was among the first fantasy RPGs to have a commercial release. A lot of games were unique to each DM, running their own homebrews.

          Then there’s all the wargames and detective/mystery games RPGs grew out of that existed for decades (in some cases centuries) before D&D.

          But yeah. It’s like the worst system. The more I hear about it and its history, the more I want to continue never playing it.

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        Yea. And if that is too numbers for your liking (it certainly is for me) there is World of Darkness, Fabula Ultima and countless other games that are simply better then D&D.

  • I misunderstood the headline and thought that this guy played against Putin in a game in the past and that supposedly gave him insights into Putin’s mind. But no, the German military made up a war game and in the game they made up, Russia was scary and NATO needed to be more prepared and strengthened to win.

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    Ok, but wargaming has been a part of military strategy for ages?

    The US did one called Millennium Challenge which simulated war with Iran in the Persian Gulf, and the US could only win, if they rigged the game entirely in the US’ favor.

    Fast forward 20 some years, and we see how instructive that wargame ended up being…

    Fuck the NYT though, they can suck my girl cock fr

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      I like how there was a bunch of coping and seething the Millennium Challenge wasn’t accurate because the “Middle Eastern” team commander cheated or whatever the fuck. Then it turns out the guy was right and none of the people who doubted him are saying shit right now lmao

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    I love when they discover something that’s been around since the 1950s. Wargaming got big when Tom Clancy played a lot of Harpoon and discovered how the G-I-UK gap was going to be huge in any Hot Cold War scenario. He wrote a whole novel about it, Red Storm Rising.
    unfilmable so they did Hunt for Red October instead.

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      Red Storm Rising

      I know clancy is low hanging fruit but this is some great brainworms: the US stumbled into the dominant position in NATO unlike those dastardly Soviets who intentional took the dominant position in the Warsaw Pact which they did because they’re evil and not as a natural consequence of having the largest military of the constituents

      Also a military alliance having a single mutually intelligible language for effective cohesive communication is Authoritarian

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      He also wrote a lot about how the next world war would be us v Europe v Russia and china. Obviously Europe is an American puppet but they have been getting feisty lately

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      unfilmable so they did Hunt for Red October instead.

      I read the book and was kinda amazed how they made that turd of a book into actually good movie. They had to cut off like 3/4th of anticommunism and russophobia from it lmao. On a side note, if the Annapolis cadets really used that book as a textbook in the 80’s, i’m not even surprised how that generation which is now runing US Navy is crashing it to the ground hard.

      Also fun GIUK fact: it played certain hilarious role in Cod Wars

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      Chosen Knights of Korne are no joke. Not uncommon for 5x of them to be 75% of an army’s points alongside the BSB and general. Then they absolutely steamroll everything in front of them.

      I haven’t played against them yet in Old World. I just remember how I used Vaul’s Unmaking to wipe out their magic standard back in 6th. Edition only for them to still wipe out multiple units of elves.