Its almost like we waste 40% of all oil just to ship it from the holes we dig to the pumps or something
Five dollars a gallon?! My area is over SEVEN dollars a gallon.
~$10.40/gal in the Nordics (diesel). So that’s roughly $0.25 per mile in my case.
Ours is still hovering around 3.80
Do you live in the middle of nowhere oklahoma?
Nah san antonio texas actually
It depends on how close you are to the refineries and pipelines. What they’re listing is the average which includes the highest price in the country and the lowest price in the country.
You’re censoring regular words now, no longer just the curse words that might often a puritanical corporation or your aging parents? smh
Pedophile is a filtered word on a lot of social media. They are just making it so their meme can meme the most.
If your platform blocks talking about current events, you need a better platform.
For real, why invest time and effort into whats ruining the internet. We can say fuck you p³dophiles all we want.
Edit: fucking auto correct censoring
Only 5? It’s up to $6-7 in my area now
If Americans cared half as much about dead civilians as they did gas prices we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Or if they cared about a convicted felon pedophile.
No one gave a shit until it came down to the price of gas. And they wonder in amazement when the world hates them.
True, but no state cares about dead civilians. Not one.
Iran was killing its civilians wholesale for protesting before the US invaded and covering up the reporting of it so numbers couldn’t be tabulated.
What does “killing civilians wholesale” even mean? The only reporting we have about this is from Mossad, so I am skeptical about the claims. Iranian channels claim they rooted out and killed Mossad agents and killed their provacateors in the streets.
The activist groups themselves communicated with news agencies outside of Iran. Telephones are a thing, after all.
The only reports we have are… just about any Iranian.
What does “killing civilians wholesale” even mean?
you think tomahawk missiles kill one guy?
Oh yeah and invading did so much good for Afghanistan and iraq. They’re totally not under the thumb of religious zealots anymore right now.
Don’t mistake me here.
I am not pro-war. In fact, I’m 100% anti-war except in one’s literal own defense. (Including proxy wars like Ukraine.)
At the same time, it’s just kind of absurd to present that the USA is somehow unique in their lack of caring for how their bombs kill civilians.
My dude, I am a statesian and I’m gonna be honest, I don’t give a shit about the dead ones. They are dead. For them the struggle is over. They are free. I care about the alive ones. I’ve been picking up the pieces of capitalism and the military industrial complex, especially predatory loans and people naive about the tax structure of the country and helping them figure out how to not only protect themselves from undue taxation but give back to their communities at levels they are comfortable with,for so long I don’t want to admit. It’s thankless work but someone has to do it
Except those dead ones had families that cared for them. Dead children that will no longer get an education and improve the world. Dead people who were in the workforce, delivery drivers, postal workers, cooks, nurses, teachers. I’m sure you’d care a whole lot more if you’re relative was sick, but there aren’t any doctors alive or even a functional hospital around, and you wouldn’t even be able to drown your sorrow at your local maccies is closed because it can’t get ingredients delivered.
I get that it’s impossible to feel a personal sorrow for everyone who dies in a war, but you can at the very least emphasise with them.
Except those dead ones had families that cared for them.
And who will spend the rest of their lives angry at those who killed their families.
That is how you create future terrorists.
We’re a surprisingly weak nation, regardless of all the big boom booms we have.
Yeah, Trump is unilaterally shredding the paper tiger that was American global power.
“Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak” - Sun Tzu
Both Russia and the US were thought to have very powerful military capability. Both made a strategic mistake when they decided to show everyone their hands.
I wouldn’t say either nation is weak, but the power of deterrence was actually bigger than either one’s true military power. Deterrence can be even better at protecting your people than actual military power. But you don’t win offensive wars with deterrence.
Now, nobody’s going to attack Russia or the US, so they can afford the loss in deterrence… But at least for the US, the middle eastern allies are now vulnerable to attack (particularly from Iran) and if China’s willing to show their true hand, they might try Taiwan now. Though I imagine that perhaps China’s leadership is wiser and won’t repeat Putin’s and Trump’s mistakes. After all, their military might also be less powerful than we all think. Because it’s very beneficial to have everyone think you can’t be fucked with.
At the end of the day, it’s hard to make efficient use of a large military. And the people protecting their own homeland have an advantage in morale. Invading a moderately weaker country is pretty stupid. Invading a moderately weaker country halfway across the world is even more stupid. To have an “easy” time conquering another nation, the power balance needs to be HEAVILY in your favor because of all the disadvantages of being the invading party.
TL;DR: Trump and Putin are idiots who gave away a huge advantage their countries had by showing how they are weaker than previously thought.
if China’s willing to show their true hand, they might try Taiwan now.
Xi is too busy getting rid of generals to invade Taiwan.
Probably getting rid of the generals telling him it’s a bad idea given the current trend.
“fucking” is fine but “pedophiles” is too explicit not to censor? This trend is so god damn stupid
Apparently they do it because it drives up engagement
Solution: downvote or ignore
Probably not about being explicit, but more about not getting your accounts banned from everywhere.
If a site will ban you for either of those words it’s not worth using recreationally
So we should just let the corpo sites like IG and YT be filled with corpo friendly propaganda? This seems like one of those “don’t hate the player, hate the game” situations
No. You’re supposed to stop visiting them. Full stop.
You just stop using them.
Then how does your counter-propaganda reach the idiots who keep doing so?
(For the record, I don’t use those sites, but I recognize that it greatly limits the audience for what I write.)
It’s not my job to deprogram idiots. I don’t know why you would even frame your question that way.
Because the idiots affect your life, whether you like it or not.
but by doing this weird algo speak censorship dodging we are proliferating it
I mean, if you want to reach as many as you can with your political message, you have to be where the users are, unfortunately. But us regular people, we can happily stay away.
They do it because people will comment about it and they make more money that way
…on lemmy? How?
It didn’t originate on lemmy so someone saw it on twitter or something and reshared it here
“fucking” is f-ne but “pedophiles” is t-o expl-cit not to c-nsor? This tr-nd is so god damn st-pid
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What if we all grouped up, and then decided to clean him and his cronies out of the government?
Too sensible?
BUT DANCING WITH THE STARS IS ON LATER AND I DON’T WANT TO MISS IT!!!
Dancing with the oligarchs.
It’s called election.
Yaay let’s return to subtle corruption instead of blatant corruption!
It’s called revolution. Doesn’t mean it needs to be violent, but it needs to be organized ie bringing the economy down.
What do you think should happen? Abolish elections? It’s the culture that sucks.
Ah yes the culture, not the oligarchy or the fact that they control the politicians which largely control the culture. I, too, love treating the symptom while ignoring the disease.
What? Lol I too love denying responsibility for the consequences of my actions. Do you fear of your own courage or is it simply arrogance? It’s the people who want to believe retarded bullshit and vote for it
Lmao, how extreme you are. Immediately erected that strawman of “abolish elections” right off the bat.
No, elections would be needed no matter what. Or at the very least a form of voting if a direct democracy emerges from the ashes instead. However what isn’t needed is this blatant corruption, a child rapist(and more) in The Whitehouse, or the various traitors that have sold out their constituents to the highest bidders. A government that has attacked it’s people and put them in concentration camp and murdered them in broad daylight; yeah, that can go too.
It’s time for a New Constitution. That was always meant to be the plan when shit got this bad. And it sucks that it is this bad, as there is a shit ton of work ahead. And it can be more or less work depending on how hard as a populace we want to make it on ourselves. Which, make no mistake, the longer we wait, the harder it will be.
So guess what, it’s time to show how scary millions of people you share the same land with can be.
Do we need a new Constitution? Yes
Do you want to try and write and pass a new Constitution while MAGA has propagandized the airwaves, the internet, social media, traditional media, print media, television news, cable news, and the radio? Absolutely fucking not. That’s how you end up with Chancellor Trump and the next genocide.
Well that’s because you jumped into the middle of this, without following my original post’s context. You missed a step. MAGA isn’t as big as they seem, they’re violent, but they’re much smaller than they seem. Even if you discount the various bomb threats, the literal millions of mail in ballots that ended up in various ditches, and other forms of recorded disenfranchisement, there is also evidence of Trump cheating.
What dominates the airwaves and our government is billionaire propaganda to prop up their puppets. No matter what it’s going to take more than voting to actually fix the mess. It’s going to take some to time to do a spring cleaning.
You can either start that now, or after the mess gets bigger. Clean the house first, then we can start working on renovations.
If the MAGA machine allows Trump to cheat elections, why wouldn’t it also cheat the new Constitution?
It’s insane to risk that until we clean up the other stuff. Get rid of legalized bribery (aka “political contributions”) and get corporate power out of elections, and then we can talk about re-doing the fundamental document safeguarding our liberties from the Donald Trumps of the world.
I summarised your comment to: no, new constitution.
Lmao, how extreme you are…
What?
And what kind of scaring and revolution would you suggest?
You can show them by demonstrating or when you go vote. Because, you know, constitutions can be altered.
Violent revolutions always devour their children.
You realize that we’re already in a time of violence right? That people are being disappeared? That we are holding both citizens and immigrants alike in concentration camps, right?
Like tell me, you’re not this ignorant. How do you think that shit stops? We just wish it away?
And what do you suggest? Realistically. You can’t do shit without the military. Go demonstrate. Go vote.
Damn, too bad they don’t do anything. They should be ashamed.
5? Prices are almost at $7 in some places
I know it’s what you get used to but that sounds still absurdly low when compared to your [country’s] median disposable income. I assume the UK the real cost is twice that.
Oh I’m sure. But you have to remember what the USA is, in terms of how to l capitalist it is and it all adds up. Plus, destabilizing a “stable” country by doubling such a fundamental cost as fuel as an indicator is so much more.
Putting it like the USA is whining and playing trauma Olympics on a global scale ain’t great, either. All that does is play into normalization of some pretty fucked up stuff that we should actually be more unified against and have solidarity around everything that’s happening right now.
Gas prices are bad, yeah, but the deeper discussion around it isn’t simple at all, and gas prices themselves aren’t really the big issue.
If its any consolation, Germans would be ecstatic about 5$/gal (equivalent to 1.13€/L), because they’re currently paying around twice that.
Statesian here. I’d gladly pay double a gallon for gas to have a German public transit system. They’re right, we’re comparing apples and Daves when we compare between countries.
I have no idea why people keep trying to compare gas between countries. It’s such a small part of things.
Heck, I’d pay $10/gal happily for no college tuition costs, national healthcare, and kids not having to do school shooter drills. (Yes yes Germany technically has University fees, but they’re like $80 and is more a parking pass than anything)
Also Germany is smaller. Most people aren’t driving 60km a day for a work commute. That’s a fairly reasonable commute in the US.
Hell I used to commute 130km a day for university. No one would consider that in Germany, but I knew several people from high school making the same commute as me
I commuted 130km twice for uni in Spain, I took a bus.
The size of the country is completely irrelevant. What actually matters is that German metro areas sprawl less than American ones.
Any cities in Germany or the rest of Europe that are similar to San Francisco in size and density? SF seems relatively really decent for transit and walking
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That’s completely unrelated.
Cheap gas makes longer commutes and wasteful cars more attractive. If it were as expensive as Germany, your average commute would be significantly shorter.
You seem to misunderstand density. In my town in Germany I can walk to anywhere I need to go in 30 minutes, and in 50 I can walk from one end of town to the next. I’ll pass dozens of bus stops and 3 train connections.
If I walked that same distance where I grew up in the US I’d be at a gas station, a church, or the woods. None of these offer adequate pay for me to live. I’ll pass 0 bus stops, nearest train station would be about 20 miles away still.
This is why Americans freak out about gas prices. There are no other options in many places. Some people will read that and say “just move”, but that fails to acknowledge the ongoing housing crisis.
So anyway back to the point on average Americans have to drive further and more frequently just to live. In Germany driving is generally more of a choice, at least in my experience, and due to the general density of cities you don’t even have to drive far. Which helps with the gas costs.
Germany being smaller than the US is not the reason then. Germany being more dense is not a coincidence.
The high gas prices solely affect you the average US-American that much because of shitty US domestic policy. That’s the sole reason. It’s a tragedy of their own making, not some unchangable truth.
You seem to misunderstand their point, without cheap gas the US would have developed differently
America’s transit issues is a problem 80 years in the making and covers everything from a post WW2 economic boom to intense lobbying of congress by car manufacturers. Gas is one part of the function, but seems pointless to make up a hypothetical about undoing 80 years of history when we’re discussing current events
If you make gas expensive today it doesn’t shorten anyone’s commute. Maybe it applies pressure to build public infrastructure, but it’s going to take decades to restructure the US. In that time the people suffer and have no other option but to endure the cost
If it were as expensive as Germany, your average commute would be significantly shorter
In the long run sure, but in the long run we’re all dead.
used to commute 130km a day for university. No one would consider that in Germany, but I knew several people from high school making the same commute as me
Did you even suggest carpooling with any of those people?
Part of the reason people outside the US would not spend what, 3 hours and 5?, 6? gallons of gas per day is that US petrol is stupid cheap. If it weren’t, you and your high school buddies would have rented a place closer to your school. Seriously: 3 guys each paying $8/gallon for 5 gallons/day 4 days/week? $2000/month is rent. At $3/gallon, $250/month to live with your parents makes sense.
I did carpool with a friend often for the first few semesters, however that eventually didn’t work out due to different work and school schedules. I often left class and drove straight to work. The days I didn’t work I’d stay in the university library till 11pm doing work. I did have some off days of course, but still long days were common.
It also took just under 2 hours as it was mostly a rural stretch of interstate. Which helped a lot with gas efficiency at least. My car was also small and gas efficient so it was about 2.5 gallons per day.
If we round up to 3, that would be about $384 a month at the $8 per gallon price. Which was significantly cheaper than a room in an apartment. Those averaged around $450 to $500, but due to a lack of transit in the city I would still be driving to school. Plus you have to account for semester breaks where I wouldn’t be driving at all. Of course gas was ranged from $3 to $3.50 per gallon then.
But then again I knew a guy who did this commute in a pickup truck. He complained about gas daily.
Also many of these people were just people I knew, not friends per se.
Probably drive a quarter or less though right?
Literally been paying almost $7/gallon since the pandemic. America is just now feeling a fraction of European/Scandinavian prices since years back and freaking out. 😅
So happy to have switched to electric a year back. Paying between a dime and a quarter per kWh right now and living my life.
Same - love never being at the gas stations anymore. Paying $0.12/kW.
Very good price for a kWh. 👍
Americans are whining because they’ve allowed car companies to put out massive trucks that get… 6 kilometers per liter of petrol? And haven’t invested in public transit. And have been allowing for the construction of massive datacenters that, despite burning fossil fuels for most of their power, and also still drianing the power grids and making EV charging more expensive (not that any of these people have enough saved to buy an EV anyway). And the complainers are all a minority of “rural” voters who don’t live in cities, and can’t easily get to a grocery store, a pharmacy, or work without driving 30km there and 30km back. At least.
So yeah, when a daily commute is 10 liters, and most americans who have had a cold in the past 5 years are in medical debt now, going from 50€ per paycheck to 100€ per paycheck every 2 weeks on petrol spend is hefty, especially given how the US federal minimum wage is a little over 6€/hour, and that’s if the person still has a job at all, given the layoffs all over the place. Even if people are making 10€/hour on their commute job, gas price increases have just eatten an additional 5 hours of their labor every 2 weeks. If they go up any more, the Iran War’s ramifications will approach a 10% pay cut for the “average” American. (And this doean’t even account for the tax money being spent on the war, nor on whatever the outcome of the US debt exceeding its GDP will be, probably for the next generation).
Would those Americans have been better off buying fuel efficient cars, finding remote work to not have to drive so much, living closer to cities to benefit from public transit? Probably. But it’s a lot late to try to make those shifts for these people.
When american politics claims that no one has been listening to “middle America,” this is who they mean: the voters who are gullible enough to be oversold on “American Dream” and end up living paycheck to paycheck with no safety net.
The problem is that there is no helping them, so no one really tries. And the far right loves this, because it’s easy to give those people false hope, underdeliver, and then blame it on the left.
So alas, no, it isn’t any consolation that other countries are feeling this pain–that makes the situation feel more hopeless, rather than less.
Would those Americans have been better off buying fuel efficient cars, finding remote work to not have to drive so much, living closer to cities to benefit from public transit? Probably. But it’s a lot late to try to make those shifts for these people.
I drive a fuel efficient car, have tried living in the city (extremely nice but unfortunately more expensive not less) would kill for public transit. Instead I live an hour away and pay 60% income for rent and 35% for car, I don’t think I’m alone. One time I knew one neighbor, this is somewhat strange in America, if I want to go somewhere I either have to pay or maybe just walk around the same store I’ve done hundreds of times, I could go for a walk around a park but I would have to drive there, chances of getting harassed simply walking around are around 50% and that skyrockets to around 80% if you’re doing it anywhere you’re not “supposed to” like say your own neighborhood.
In czech we have 50% of german salary, and our gas is 1.77€/l :)
and like also because of all the oil industry subsidies with your tax dollars
p3do sounds like a Star Wars character.
P3do, stop redacting the Epstein files and shut down all trash compactors on detention level!
oil kickbacks for keeping prices high while protecting company ships. 🛥️
It’s extra funny because Tony Soprano was a Republican
