What if we just use the natural time and just schedule things differently within that time. Nothing inscribed in the laws of nature which says we must work 8-5 instead of 7-4.
Isn’t that kinda the point of this bill? The bill makes it so that time is permanently 1 hour ahead and there’s no falling back in the winter.
Daylight savings is literally capitalism controlling time so you can only do things at the end of the day after work
end the twice-yearly changing of the clocks but would allow states to opt out
cries in developer
This is how the US officially adopted the metric system of measurements in the 1970s. It’s legally accepted but possible to opt out.
I’m just imagining the endless vibe-coded functions to handle this that will make moment-tz look lightweight
just use tzdata
Hot take, we should all be on GMT, 24 hour clock.
Same fuckin story every time. Leisure industry is all for daylight time. Scientists weigh in, saying “either way — permanent DST or permanent standard time — would be better for health and safety than changing twice a year, but standard time would be far more beneficial”. Politicians crop out that last bit so they can appease the leisure industry.
Apparently states can opt out of this, so lmao I can’t wait to see how that goes.
I can’t wait. My computer won’t know what time it is until it knows which specific state I’m in. It’ll be a grand old time.
Arizona already does this. There should be an Arizona time zone in any OS made in the last god knows when.
Huh. TIL. Let a million time zones bloom!
We will get at most 4 new time zones, between the PST/MST/CST/EST that stays the same, and the ones that become fixed to the time zone ahead of them.
Even better is that within Arizona is the Navajo reservation, which does follow DST like the rest of the country. Even better still is that entirely within the Navajo reservation is the Hopi reservation, which like Arizona does not follow DST. At least all that was true like a decade ago when I drove through there and was very confused until someone explained it
It’s already handled by modern computers, right? I mean, the US has multiple timezones so computers should be aware of your location anyway.
I think the issue is going from the US having 4 time zones which roughly correspond to hour boundaries to having as many as 50 time zones in the absolute worst case scenario. Unless either the states all agree to let the bill go into effect at the same moment or all the states that are going to opt out can manage to opt out in advance of the effective date, we’re looking at states having spans of time during which daylight savings is permanently in effect in between other spans of time where it was intermittent. So any time calculations to display time in those regions would need to know at which moments these changes happened. If different states have different moments, it’s going to be an absolute mess.
The tzdata database is probably gonna handle that no problem, the software vendors would have to update their stuff to geolocate more narrowly though
Sunshine Protection Act
I’m surprised this isn’t an act about banning solar panels
They did that in Florida some years ago.
https://earthjustice.org/case/challenging-a-misleading-solar-ballot-initiative-in-florida
Noon means the sun is directly overhead. DST the sun is directly overhead at 1pm. DST delenda est
Listen, I agree I like noon at midday. But I cannot support morning people getting another societal W and the sun setting at 4pm in winter.
Throw us night owls a bone pweeeeease.
motion to go an hour further so it gets dark at like 3:00, the sun can go to hell
At 3:00 AM
That’s not how time zones work, the sun will be directly overhead at a different time depending on where you are within the time zone. Also solar noon happens at a different time of day throughout the year anyway. Check out an analemma diagram for a good illustration of that.
On this map (in standard time), the red areas are where the sun rises and sets later than noon, and green are places where it sets earlier (both on average). DST shifts the map red. So if you’re in a green zone, DST is going to be closer to solar time.
Blog post this is from: https://web.archive.org/web/20140110094028/poisson.phc.unipi.it/~maggiolo/index.php/2014/01/how-much-is-time-wrong-around-the-world/
I agree that permanent DST is not optimal, but is way better than what we have now.
Standard time only. Bring back the sundial
just let the time be the time already. i don’t care what its called, just stop changing it twice a goddamn year.
The senate passed this (same silly name, too) like three years ago.
The legislation now heads to the Senate, where its fate is uncertain. In 2022, the Senate passed a similar version, but it was not taken up in the House.
…yet somehow I remain completely skeptical that they’ll pass this version.
This is the one that only benefits the Florida tourism industry somehow, at the expense of the rest of the country, right?
8AM/5PM sunrise/sunset becomes 9AM/6PM sunrise/sunset in the winter
I might not have to leave for work in the dark, spend most of my day in a windowless building, then get home in the dark? Nice
I was about to say Florida already dropped DST right after I left, but nope they didn’t (Just said they would if congress would???).
States in the south, especially Florida would benefit most from DST. Especially for more touristy and “youth” (<30) areas. (Living in a college town was nice because some businesses would be open to 10pm especially during the longer days.)
I live in the North now, and people/scientists say Standard would be better for health, but honestly, 9-5 jobs/school is still going to be fucked either way.
Either you get an hour of natural light before or after being in a building all day. I’m a night owl so I’d benefit from the DST afternoon hour. My coworker whose a morning gal would benefit from the extra morning hour (likely).
Probably the best solution would be to pick Standard time and force companies to let you come in an hour later/earlier then usual. And let you switch/pick every like 3 months so you can adjust for youself. School requiring busing and scheduling throws a massive wrench in a “good” solution too.
Anyway, we’re likely going to get permenant DST with nothing else. Morning people will complain, people in the middle will support them overall or say nothing, it will be reverted back to switching twice a year, and no one will be happy again.
I don’t get why we don’t try to stagger start and end times for the traffic benefits. But NO, we need every office worker on the same highway at the same time for reasons.
Capitalism is so efficient
After the fiasco a few years ago I never thought I would see the day. The US Congress may actually make a .1% improvement to my life.
Might have to rethink communism if this passes.
Posting exclusively in c/electoralism from now on
Please dear god just do it, end this nightmare.
Which one is daylight saving? Is that the time we’re on now?
It’s easy to confuse the two, considering “daylight savings time” does not, in fact, save daylight.
I also only call it Fall time and Spring time so that’s on me
Really should be called Summer/Winter timings or something. A Schedule, B Schedule even.
DST being an abbreviation and Standard Time not being one also is a massive failing. Can’t do ST either because it could be a misinput time. EST being STANDARD while EDT daylight makes it even worse.
But like real Americans, we casually accept a subpar system from 100 years ago because we’re fuckin’ lazy.
yes
Who says voting doesnt matter?
