• miz [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    WHAT DID HE DELIVER ON? CLOSING GUANTANAMO? STOPPING NSA ABUSES? FUCKING CARD CHECK? ABORTION PROTECTIONS WHICH HE PROMISED PLANNED PARENTHOOD WOULD BE HIS FIRST ACTION DURING THE CAMPAIGN?

    HE DIDN’T DELIVER SHIT EXCEPT FOR THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      “Socialism” in their eyes is nordic countries with free healthcare and that’s about it. And while universal healthcare is a good goal (even though it will literally never happen in the imperial core) that alone is not socialism. Speaking to the choir, duh, but so many burgerlanders are like “yeah I’m a socialist, I like Denmark” smuglord

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        it’s fine if john q. public supports “socialism” but doesn’t know what it actually is as long as comrades are in control of the movement.

        party for socialism and liberation? well i don’t know what liberation is but i like socialism and partying! ✅

    • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      There’s a portion of this that’s true, but all it will ever achieve is “normalizing”. There’s some value in that, but I kinda think polling suggests: mission accomplished! Most Americans think socialism is pretty normal, especially young ones. Our job is to actually build socialism as a material reality, not a normal idea.

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      “Yes, man-on-twitter. That is how you redefine socialism to be palatable to liberals. They will still turn you in though.”

      That said, there has been a massive upswing in people even just talking about socialism, which is kinda funny and scary… But like people don’t even know what Marxism is, negative or positive, around where I am. Hell, most of them don’t know it’s even communism, which is extremely funny when you can get them to agreed with Marxist points after they have spent like fifteen minutes bashing socialism.

      But literally most people around where I am all hate the Democrats, but some of them love Republicans. But by hating the Democrats I am able to make some level of educational leeway. Maybe not as impactful, but at least I know people who I can talk about real ass socialist history with, some of whom then proceeded to educate themselves on it after I introduced them to the concepts.

      And part of my own education came from a guy I lived with whose roommate was the boyfriend of someone who was extremely involved in the National DSA. Extremely well versed, extremely Marxist, extremely anti-imperial and pro-Palestine.

      Mamdani is must less interesting than the DSA, but it is unfortunate how much energy has been diverted to this guy and not the party apparatus itself.

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    Claims to be socialist. Denounces every single AES. Reinforces liberalism. Pushes absolutely nothing left of social democracy.

    Really feels like he’s been lying about the socialist part.

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      The term socialist has been ruined by Americans. If an American calls themself a socialist, they’re probably a liberal.

      I just play it safe and call myself a communist so people don’t get the wrong idea about me.

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    There’s something to be said about messaging and the fact that most libs still love Obama but you absolutely do NOT have to give him credit for things he didn’t do.

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    To be honest if the Democrats were putting forward candidates with the charisma of Obama and paying lip service to universal healthcare, we probably wouldn’t be seeing the influx of liberals into the socialist fray that we are. Their incompetence has been working quite well for us.

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    I can’t tell if the Mamdani enthusiasts are secret cops or if the “anyone who attempts any change short of total revolution is bad but also adventurism is bad, only IRL organizing that will also be derailed by bickering is good but also anything that those organizations might do to improve conditions within capitalism is bad but also accelerationism is bad” people are secret cops.

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      If you think everything is good, you’re a cop. If you think some things are good, you’re a cop. If you think nothing is good, you’re a cop.

      I’m all honesty, just stop paying attention to media circus. If you are gonna judge Mamdani, at least judge him on his policy failures and not dumbass shit that he has to say to not be instantly assassinated by the NYPD.

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        He’s been delivering on economic relief for New Yorkers with his policies, and part of that included getting Hochul’s support for state funding. Mamdani hasn’t dismantled the NYPD and his rhetoric on international policy is lame sometimes, but on using his actual power he’s improving the lives of the working class of NYC.