Drinking with coworkers is always a huge risk. Especially if they’re a bunch of normie stepford smilers who’ll call HR on you for the slightest misstep.
My favourite one is being anonymously called up on “excessive swearing” when I said “crap” once in a meeting. Our internal training basically encourages people to snitch on each other and by god do we gave some hall monitors here.
Normalize getting crunk with your coworkers
One of my old jobs we would go out at least a couple times a month and it was always a blast. But a bunch of them were all comrades too.
We had a brewery right under our office for like 3 years. It was multiple times a week that we’d end up there lol. Ended up hiring like 3 people were met in that place.
The post work beers were also a great time to discuss compensation and get everyone on the same page. As we grew the hall monitors started showing up and that had to go underground sadly.
Lol nice. That was basically how my oll fated attempt at forming a union began.
Almost pulled it off before they caught on and started firing people.
Lol some of the worst binge drinking sprees and some of the most embarrassing shit I’ve done while drunk were with my coworkers on that horrible white collar job I had. Then again, the corporate culture very much encouraged getting hammered at every opportunity to forget you were working 14 hour days (of bullshit work) regularly.
show me where it says in the handbook
So you’re saying a dog can play basketball
Does this happen outside the US? Every single white-collar job I’ve had in the US, work lunches were like this. Everyone suddenly becomes a puritan and gasps when anyone drinks alcohol at lunchtime.
Drinking on the job is almost universally a terminable offense
Drinking on the job is, like all other vices, acceptable again once you get paid enough.
e.g. cocaine, pedophilia, etc.
And for some jobs (factory work, trades, warehousing) that makes sense, being impaired by drinking puts you and your coworkers in danger.
Of course that’s not what most cases of this are about. It’s about controlling workers
My friend who works a trade involving being very high up and handling electrical equipment tells me drinking on the job is not at all uncommon. Granted this probably has a lot more to do with his location and horrible ownership of the small company.
Drinking on the job doesn’t mean getting tipsy or hammered on the job. Many people can handle 1 beer or a glass of wine with a meal just fine. But, not all bodies react the same to alcohol, and not everyone eats the same, and more importantly, not everyone can exercise moderation and stop at enough drinks to not be a hazard on the job.
It takes one person having one too many for whichever reason for a preventable accident to happen. There are certain jobs where zero tolerance is the best policy, imo. I don’t want to worry about whether my colleague handling the big-ass knives or driving the forklift half a meter away from me is tipsy or not.
My rule is that if you work with something that rotates, you should not drink on the job.
Naw. Its just that a lot of people who do construction work have drug and alcohol problems.
A lot of people have drug and alcohol problems
I could see it being more medicinal if you start freaking out a bit from being up so high
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I prefer to crap the booze out.
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This absolutely does not work. Basic physics, your liver processes alcohol at the speed your liver processes alcohol. You cannot speed this process up and alcohol does not make it through to your bladder in any appreciable level. You only have so much alcohol dehydrogenase and acetaldehyde dehydrogenase in your body, and these are determined solely by genetics.
Alcohol does have a diuretic property, in that it suppresses vasopressin (antidiuretic hormone) release in the brain, which makes you have to urinate. The whole “breaking the seal” thing is also bullshit, emptying your bladder just means there is now more room in your bladder to refill with urine. The rate at which you refill that bladder is somewhat controlled by urea concentration in blood, but primarily by the diameter and quantity of nephrons in your kidneys.
pissing yourself when you get pulled over by a cop is the best chance you got to avoid a DUI.
Well they might not want you in their car after that.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Its relatively normal in Europe to grab a drink on your lunch break. Or at least it was a decade or two ago when my dad worked there.
A drink, not four drinks
Maybe it has changed but it was recounted to me as “drinking” and “getting drunk” but from his puritan American eyes that could be 1 drink
Okay but the image you posted is not someone puritanically considering 1 lunch beer to be inappropriate when returning to work after, they are quite reasonably considering 4 lunch beers inappropriate
Didn’t know there was a hard cap of 3 lunch beers
Lol so if he drank 12 beers would your response be “I didn’t know there was a hard cap at 11?”
Nobody said anything about a hard cap but 4 beers on a single lunch break is pretty far from the norm of what one can reasonably expect not to get shit about.
It probably depended on the specific place in Europe even back then.
capitalists don’t want alcohol to impede the productivity of their workers
(this is not a defense of alcohol)
Bartleby the Schrivener in-passing drops a reference to the endemic alcoholism in the USA at the time. They hire Bartleby because the other two clerks are booze pooches and one shows up hungover and his work improves and the other shows up sober but starts to drink so his work degrades.
At the time? Oh buddy, I have some upsetting news for you. The majority of American adults are alcoholics, they’re just not as drunk during work hours specifically. There isn’t an absolute quantity or frequency threshold for alcoholism, people just ignore the problem until it starts impeding work or social activity.
In Europe the culture is borderline the complete opposite. Unless you’re doing an actually responsible/driving job, if you can’t keep up with work lunch drinks you ain’t workin’ right.
I think I even have something about that in my contract.
in aus after work: norm is hammered at the pub on boy’s club industry. friday arvo beer acceptible, often with casual work related chitchat
What is this hall monitor shit?
What, I thought this was America!!
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DUDES ROCK
For real, how could he have known?
Fuckin legend
not sure why everyone’s instinct is to defend someone with an alcohol problem
i get that jobs suck and are shitty but alcoholism isn’t really defensible either
I understood it to be more along the lines of “I’m quitting anyway fuck it” rather than an alcohol problem. I try not to make assumptions about peoples habits
That’s how I read it too, but apparently we have a bunch of hall monitors in the fediverse, too
If we treat it as a problem rather than him just being irresponsible than it’s even more reprehensible for hr to give him shit about it.
Is consuming four beers at a work party lunch automatically an alcohol problem? In which case half of Europe are addicts. I think super context dependent.
According to the NIAAA, if he had one more beer at lunch he would be a heavy drinker.
NIAAA defines heavy drinking as follows:
- For men, consuming five or more drinks on any day or 15 or more per week
- For women, consuming four or more on any day or eight or more drinks per week
Well no, by their definition, if he consumed five or more drinks he wouldn’t be a heavy drinker, he would have heavily drank. There is a meaningful distinction. The next sentence, as you’ll have seen, is :
SAMHSA defines heavy alcohol use as binge drinking on five or more days in the past month.
And at that point, I totally agree. If someone is drinking more than this person, and on a regular basis, they would certainly seem to have a problem.
They are definitely not saying if you drink five beers one day you are now an alcoholic.
Regardless, the NIAAA and the screenshot guy’s HR department oughtta loosen up a little.
that’s affirming. i had an ex that would house the better part of a sixer of 9-12% ABV cans every evening. i am not really one to scrutinize, but i noticed it after a week and thought, “isn’t that kind of a lot?” very costly $$, but also like damn. we were the same age, but i had 100 lbs on them, and that would have given me the spins. i dismissed it at the time as most of my life ive been a “lightweight” with limited tolerance and i quit altogether 7-8 years ago.
to see something fairly objective that isn’t distorted by an experienced drinker’s ability to appear functional is eye opening.
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What if the job was partying?
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