Maybe dudes in tech aren’t the people you should be discussing altering the climate with, maybe climate scientists? Idk just a fucking thought
Maybe this is below criticism, but saying “all the smart people I talk to in tech” has no clear difference from “all the people I agree with who I talk to in tech” when you’re making an argument like this.
We don’t know who struck first—Us, or Them—but we know that it was Us that scorched the sky.
Techbros are so incredibly blue curtained about their Torment Nexus enjoying that I would not be surprised if one of them used a clip from the Animatrix during a presentation about their company’s particular aerosol proposal.
Ehehehe stupid commie you had a spelling mistake in the title, your argument is forfeit, now come burn the planet with me
does the us actually have the means to do it tho
Entire chatgtp data centers dedicated to clapping like seals and propping up techbros egos.
I did a two-year post-doc in a climate modeling lab at a major research university studying exactly this proposal. I have peer-reviewed publications on it. I cannot overstate what a bad idea it is. It would kill–at minimum–tens of millions of people, and set off the worst refugee crisis the world has ever seen as global precipitation patterns shifted–and those are the effects we know about. Once we start it, we will have to run it indefinitely or incur absolutely apocalyptic snap-back temperature increases.
Still, I will be absolutely flabbergasted if we don’t implement this sometime in the next 15 years. It’s cheap, effective at controlling temperature increases, and will let us continue to kick the can down the road for meaningful climate action.
Still, I will be absolutely flabbergasted if we don’t implement this sometime in the next 15 years
Do you have sources to read about this? I’m very curious about it having seen it bought up over and over again. Always thought that it was gonna blowback on us bad even if it bought some time
Ah but have you considered I still want my funkopops delivered with same day amazon delivery
It would kill–at minimum–tens of millions of people
What is the mechanism for this?
Shifting precipitation patterns.
Drought in moist regions, floods in arid regions, massive shifts in farming methods that would be necessitated by famine/crop failure, drying of wells and rivers that provided drinking water.
global socialist government that dictates emissions policy… has a lot of negative externalities, too.
Behold: apocalyptically terminal treatbrain. “DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOO” screamed by the techbro clowns that are already burning the circus tent we all live in.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: Aren’t techbros supposed to be smart?
Learning coding and engineering is no joke, so I’ll give them that. But seriously how are people that smart but still so much of them can be so foolish? I’m guessing self-interest is just one hell of a drug.
People smart about one thing can often overestimate how smart they are about other things, and that goes especially for people perceived as undisputed geniuses, like techbros have been throughout decades of propaganda.
Negative externalities as opposed to a catastrophe that would kill countless people.
Techbros maintain escapist fantasies, from living underground or underwater to the truly absurd like millions of magically self-sustaining space colonies, like
suggests.Some thinking they will preserve the light of consciousness like altered carbon as if a copy of their personality is them. And burn down a couple of forrests bringing death to overcompensate for their fear of… Uh… Death
It’s been an exhausting struggle session with some vulgar materialists that harbor some contradictory woo because of their own fear of death. More than a few times in different threads some people have insisted that a sufficiently “perfect” copy of a person, software or otherwise, is literally the original person. That isn’t to say that a “perfect” copy isn’t a valid individual with their own consciousness and such, but the woo is the assumption that the copy is the person, usually backed up with convenient thought experiment details like “making the copy must destroy the original body and brain, of course” because the entire fucking thought experiment falls apart the moment it allows for the original person to continue existing and having a “perfect” copy show up, living evidence that “hey, they’re still there.”
Some particularly obnoxious bazinga on the Star Trek lemmyverse comm got so freaked out about my dissent that they wouldn’t let it go for months after and kept name-dropping me as evidence that Hexbears were, quote, “superstitious.”
Like that show upload. The guy had another copy running around. Similar memory all that but it wasn’t him. That reminds me of this startup where apparently preserve your brain but you have to be euthanized. Not exactly the same thing but it made me chuckle. https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/03/13/144721/a-startup-is-pitching-a-mind-uploading-service-that-is-100-percent-fatal/
Smarts don’t make you an expert on climate dynamics, and I don’t trust some guy on Twitter to be a good judge of “smart”. The phrasing is pretty telling though “smart people I know”, vs “people smarter than me” means he’s including himself among the “smart people” pushing for this.
Tech people are the worst at believing their specialized knowledge of one tech field makes them experts in all fields, including history, economics, and branches of science mostly unrelated to their own.
Treating the symptoms while ignoring what caused them to begin with
I’m sure endless, systemically driven greed won’t cause any other issues, no sir. And that’s presupposing his theory would work to begin with
Treat hogs want infinite treats and would only mitigate the damage in ways that don’t reduce the treat flow. If the mitigation could also be a treat, they’d do that, and they do, like buying ZYBERTRUKKKs (that still indirectly pollute and expel carbon like a Ford F-150).
yeah, we should totally reduce and disrupt the constant source of clean, pure energy streaming into the earth which drives the biosphere’s staggering complexity, so we can keep burning the concentrated, dirty pockets of stored and buried sunlight from millions of years ago that is overheating the place and polluting our bodies, air, land, and water.
“Relatively wealthy”
It’s probably appropriate for Americans (and Amero-weebs aka “guys who think they’re on the team but absolutely are not” (looking at you Eastern Europeans who love America)) to stop this cope over PERSONAL WEALTH and consumption as a measure of a nationstate’s wealth overall.
By every measurement I can think of and data exists for, China’s population is “wealthier” than America. Oh, except in the areas of, you know, the shitty things. Like concentrating wealth in a top 1% and top top 0.1% of families. Or endlessly consuming shit for no purpose other than to distract from your meaningless life. As far as what I’d call true measures of a nation’s wealth, things like (nutritious) caloric intake and availability, literacy rates, availability of healthcare (meaning the cost as well), child and adult educational opportunities and attainment, public works projects like building roads, energy grids and production ability, building rail and high tech trains… on and on. America has been declining for at least ~50 years in all of those areas. As in it just gets worse and worse. While China has been going up and up and skyrocketing in the recent decade or two.
This kinda cuts into the roots of the “GDP discussion” or rather the insistence of capitalist-minded (or biased) economists and random people on using the irrelevant GDP figure to “show” that capitalism and the US/EU specifically are “superior” economically. Goes back to the USSR as well and now days it’s still moronically being clung to. A measurement of economic consumption means nothing about the “wealth” of nations. Unless your only measure of wealth is how many PlayStations can you buy…
Of course all the discussions of economics between US/China also leaves out the obvious history of one nation being a settler colonial slave state turned into dominant imperial power post-world war 2. That only makes the current state of the US more pathetic. The biggest head start perhaps in history, built on immeasurable human suffering, only to throw it all away so that Elon can jump on stage and try to do an X with his body, while people are homeless on the streets and the state can only find endless funding to support genocide. I don’t think future civilizations (or whatever species might replace humans as the dominant intelligent life form if we blast ourselves from existence) will even believe what they are reading when they learn about the last few hundred years. It’s just beyond comprehension
Doesn’t China produce more new solar capacity than the rest of the world has like every year?
Yeah but why wouldn’t they want to spend a bunch of money to make their solar panels 1% less effective for the benefit of the US imperial order? Just makes sense really.
could do it without asking permission.
There’s an Ayn Rand quote about “it’s not about who will let me, it’s about who is going to stop me” and these treatbrained manchildren have apocalyptically murderous levels of treat brain accordingly.
i will probably nuke this guy
By the way, Ive been saying for years that they are 100% going to do this shit. They are going to keep the pedal to the floor on carbon emissions until it becomes impossibility to ignore any longer and then sell this as a magical technocratic solution. This is going to be a liberal consensus position in like ten years
They are going to keep the pedal to the floor on carbon emissions until it becomes impossibility to ignore any longer and then sell this as a magical technocratic solution
Already in progress: the CEO of Google has declared that he intends to expand data centers and further accelerate climate catastrophe because his occult belief is that the treat printers might come up with a tech magic solution that isn’t the downer one of not fucking having so many data centers.
The capitalists are conspiring to block the sun like they’re Mr. Burns 😭
These guys read a Neal Stephenson book and make it their whole personality.
once I found out Stephenson had become “friends” with Jeff Bezos, what happened to him suddenly made sense
He became a Torment Nexus enjoyer, that’s for sure, if he wasn’t one all along.
