Me: “I’ve got an elaborate folder structure for all my documents.”
Windows: “You want to put this in the root directory of OneDrive.”
Me: "No, I want to put it in \SpecialFiles\ProjectName\IterationNo\DetailedSchematic"
Windows: “Root directory of OneDrive it is.”
I fucking hate onedrive sooo much for this, it kills me a little everytime and it happens all the time. Im just a husk at this point. God damn fuck you onedrive.
and it gives you that shitty prompt with like 3 locations to dark pattern you into using it instead of just putting you in the explorer window so you can go right to where you want to fucking save it. Wasting a shitload of time.
Uninstall it. It’s an optional component.
Not on work locked down pcs its not.
Exactly.
Because My Documents is where Windows keeps all your save games from the last decade and beyond, because why would I use it to store MY DOCUMENTS?
That’s why I debloat windows anytime I do a new install. Drop that box 🥊
It’s a work computer, so my options are limited
Microsoft and application developers treat the Documents folder like a total dumping ground for whatever random nonsense they can dream up. No wonder people look elsewhere. Need to store user files? Documents. A database? Documents. Giant cache files? Documents. Config? Documents. Executables? Fuck it put those in Documents too.
Why would I ever store my real documents in a folder so littered with shit that I can never find anything? It’s not like the search actually works.
Also as a Linux user myself and to head off any smugness, developers do the same thing with the home directory so users end up inventing weird ways to stay organized.
I don’t ever search for files/folders in explorer’s browser anymore. I just use Everything and TreeSize at this point. Windows’ search function is pointless.
I have my files meticulously organized in hierarchical folders that sync across all my devices through One Drive and to my NAS through One Drive.
I hate that Microsoft wants to dump everything in Documents.
Also, for SOME FUCKING REASON, my work system, wants to put everything into the root of One Drive. Like fuck please put it in Documents at least. I don’t want ANYTHING in the root folder if I can avoid it, aside from maybe the occasional super special thing.
Today I used Alt+Space to open krunner, typed the name of a C script I’m working on, and it pulled up search results for the file, as well as relevant websites I visited related to that title, and in that moment I realized how much I missed out growing up with Explorer.
Microsoft: put it in OneDrive. We will use your content to train our AI models. No really this is fine.
Also Microsoft: If you ever try to leave us we will delete all of your data on all of your devices. We might even do it at random just for fun…No, we won’t warn you.
I love the random deletetion. They deleted a whole year of my university notes just because.
I’d be happy if those apps were asking to save to Documents like in the screenshot. But alas, reality is much more cruel. They always want to save to some vague OneDrive location, and won’t even show you the local file browser without extra steps.
If yOU dOn’T uSe oNEdrIvE iT is IMpOssiBle to AuTO sAve! The technology just doesn’t exist to save on a timer without involving the cloud!
F12
Documents, Desktop and Picture folders are just moved from the user folder into the user folder\OneDrive folder.
Other than that it work exactly the same.
OneDrive also always has a local folder. Usually in your user folder.
You can blame a lot on OneDrive, but this isn’t one of them.
I don’t want any of my files uploaded to OneDrive; therefore I don’t want to save them in the OneDrive folder. I have other folders where I’d like to save my files instead.
So the behaviour I described is a persistent annoyance for me; despite you telling me it isn’t a problem.
I don’t mind OneDrive sync, I like it honestly.
What I absolutely do not want, is my Desktop on One Drive. For starters, its often a scratch place. I don’t want it instantly pushing 6GB of photos I just pulled off my camera’s memory card to the cloud before I can sorr them.
You see, I have OneDrive disabled and set to not sync.
It still wants me to save to a OneDrive directory, simply because I’m signed into my Microsoft account.
Saving to desktop is insane behaviour and the OP just told on herself.
Rebuttal, with a physical desk you put things you need right now on top in the open. You wouldn’t grab something off the printer and put it into a drawer first, then reopen the drawer to get it out of your need it now.
The desktop is “right now” workspace. Why bother to put it into a folder whose only purpose is not to take things out of to put elsewhere? I could at least understand people who download direct to documents… but that still leaves a mess to clean up with installers and such.
Downloading to the desktop is not only sane, but more efficient.
Leaving everything on your desktop is a different conversation though.
Desktop is for empty space so when you close everything it’s clean
You reminded me of this funny tweet
I definitely would go ahead and put the printed document directly into a hanging file in my desk drawer if I could read/use the document without ever moving it like I can on a computer…
Somehow I’m doubting that you keep all your computer files in your download folder. You still have to move it. My way just makes it obvious it needs to be filled instead of leaving it on the junk drawer.
And the physical desk analogy still holds. Yeah you put it in a folder in the drawer, but it’s the wrong one. Unless you are specifying a custom filepath for each file, in which case, carry on.
Unless you are specifying a custom filepath for each file, in which case, carry on.
This one is correct. I always setup my browser to ask where to put each download, and then send it to the file it needs to live in. Usually have the “default” be the home folder so I can easily browse to the subsequent folder quickly. The browser doesn’t just get to decide where to put stuff or it would all be a mess eventually anyway.
Rock on, you are an inspiration to us all.
I just do everything out of my file manager. I use Krusader, which has twin panes and tabs.
I agree, but I think the tone of the joke suggests that OP is at least somewhat self-aware
People who use desktop as your unsorted downloads folder, who hurt you?
I use the desktop as a very temporary folder. Because I’ll be annoyed by having stuff on there and will delete them as soon as I don’t need them any more.
My downloads folder has random installers from 2021.
As god intended (sorted by downloaded date)
Why would I hide downloads in the downloads folder?
Kidding. I use downloads for downloads.
Desktop is for WIP project files.
I am the opposite and I absolutely hate it when I have to work on someone’s laptop with cluttered desktop and folders. Mine only has a taskbar at bottom and clock widget at bottom right corner. All temporary files goes to downloads or to organised directories. What’s the point of having a nice wallpaper if you can’t enjoy it.
I’m the same way. I will tolerate no icons on my desktop. It’s widgets or nothin’.
Now, my physical desktop, on the other hand…
You do at least have some shortcuts on your desktop, right?
Otherwise, why have a desktop?
You can open a picture if you want to look at it
You do at least have some shortcuts on your desktop, right?
Not OC, but no, that’s what the taskbar is for, I use my iconless desktop as a space to drag windows around and multitask
Everything from start menu shortcuts. Much cleaner and nicer that way.
Edit: I am using KDE plasma so not the full screen start menu like in windows but the small box on bottom left with about 15 icons that I regularly use.
That’s what the super key is for, you hit the super key and start typing the name of whatever it is you want and hit enter just like a phone
So, what, remember the names of all the things I could want? Also, “just like a phone”?
Yeah like on a cell phone you type the name of the app and it shows up
What’s the point of having a nice wallpaper if you can’t enjoy it.
That’s what the aecond monitor is for
Isn’t the desktop just a place for displaying a picture? People have icons there?
Story time.
I was helping someone at work the other day…
As part of my usual process, I minimized most of what the person was using, because I dgaf what users are actually doing on their computers. I’m only interested in getting the “problem” that they’re complaining about, solved, so I can go home.
When I finished minimizing everything, I shit you not, this person had two full screens of icons on their desktop. I couldn’t help but blurt out “that’s a lot of icons” they went on to describe how they use their desktop as a dumping ground and they clear the whole thing every few months.
Since I couldn’t give a single shit about what they do with their computer, I said something to the effect of “alright”, fixed the unrelated “problem” they had and moved on.
I do this. It’s the “heap system”. After a couple of months it gets full and I create a folder called “crap” and move everything inside it. After this, the process repeats itself and often leads to folder trees like C:\Users\dh\Desktop\crap\crap2\more crap\crap\important crap\crap.
This usually continues for the life of my computer and then, one day, it just gets wiped because buggered if I know what’s in the crap folder…
I do the same thing, but mostly because I develop Doom mods for fun and it’s just an easy place to dump sprites and audio files. I can drag a file directly from my desktop to the modding program I use, and then just clean up once I’m finished working on what I’m working on. Otherwise my desktop just has a few shortcuts.
I don’t get how this is easier than just having an explorer window open to a folder with the files where the exposed desktop would be.
But hey, you do you. I’m not about to say that you can’t use your PC like this. I’m not your manager, and you can do what you want.
Whether I “get” it or not is irrelevant.
I use downloads instead, it mainly functions as a temporary folder where anything unimportant can live and once it gets a scroll bar it all gets deleted. For the very rare things that are important I could then move them after.
How do you move a file after deletion? I need to know this black magic.
Well first off, through
GodLinux, all things are possible. You can have multiple hard links to a file, where a given hard link is deleted, but you can still manipulate the file through any other other links. Alternately, you can open a file, and while you have a valid open file descriptor, delete the file. The file descriptor is still valid until you close the file though, so you can still save (thus move) it to a new location.Windows locks files when you open them, preventing these kinds of shenanigans.
“preventing these kinds of shenanigans”
Yeah, Linux really does give you a gun and lets you point it at your foot if you want to, huh? I say this with the fondness and trepidation of someone who isn’t a Linux noob, but also no pro (yet)
This is a word document. Where should you save a word document?
In the documents folder. The documents folder.
That’s right! You save it to the desktop!
no… No please…
What about this picture file? Where would you save a picture file?
In the pictures folder. Cmon…
That’s right! You save it to the desktop!
oh god why…
I just downloaded this file… Where should I save it?
The… The downloads folder?
That’s right! You save it to the desktop!
: '-(
For those that don’t know… This is a reference to this video. https://youtu.be/cUbIkNUFs-4
Idgaf as long as it isn’t onedrive.
OneDrive can be configured to automatically back up your desktop. So the desktop might be OneDrive
True and that’s one of the reasons I quit Windows altogether. Linux doesn’t have this kind of bs.
I used the desktop all the time when I was on Windows. When I moved to Linux fulltime, KDE wouldn’t let you save to desktop. Eventually I figured out how to fix that, but by that time I had the habit broken. Thankfully i never reverted and my shit is generally organized because of it.
I love GNOME for this. No desktop icons. Windows/super key, type the first letter or two, boom. It’s so pretty.
My phone on the other hand? The first screen is nicely arranged. The second screen is just a chronological list of the apps I’ve downloaded, because they automatically go to desktop, and they’ll clutter up my home screen if I don’t have a separate sacrificial screen for them
Same. I hate desktop clutter. The horrors I’ve seen when I’ve been on someone else’s PC. Random desktop documents that haven’t been touched in 5 years. Why?!
Even aside from looking ugly, it’s not even a good place for apps/files! If you have a window or two open, everything is obscured and you have to move windows out of the way to access your stuff.
They get a lot of shit for it, but IMO Gnome was 100% right to say “No. The desktop inevitably becomes a dumping ground and we don’t want that. Your app menu is for apps and your Home folder is for files. We have very good search functionality to find what you want. No desktop icons. If you want that, install an extension.”
The reason I don’t use Gnome is “We don’t want that” Okay, and just who the fuck is ‘we?’
“We” is obviously the hard-working developers who predominantly work on Gnome unpaid. The people who provide the software for free.
To be completely honest, I’m not sure how you don’t know who “we” is in that context. When the devs of a project say “we”, who do you think they’re referring to, the Jackson 5?
Literally every project makes decisions on what their vision is and enacts it. Gnome is no different.
If you don’t like a piece of software, don’t use it. Nobody is forcing you to use it.
Frankly, you sound entitled. They aren’t obliged to make their project to the way you want it. Especially not when you’re getting it for free. Entitlement like that is the biggest cancer in the FOSS community, IMO.
Hmm, GNOME pays developers. There’s a team of full time employees steering GNOME, and staff. Sure they are a non-profit, but it’s a bit romanticizing to claim that they are doing all that work for free. I don’t think it is very nice or productive to call people names and gatekeeping FOSS this way. There’s such a thing as customization. It’s fine that GNOME is very opinionated (everyone accepts that they are and the project lead has said so time and time again that user choice is not part of their focus). But, at the same time, it’s not their project, there’s a complex governance structure that involves the community. It’s contradictory to speak this way about a component of a Linux distro. Linux is philosophically underlined by freedom of choice and personal customization, and it’s inappropriate to insult people for wanting some more of that.
No, no, no, no.
Some developers do some paid work. The vast majority is unpaid. I’m not sure where you heard that, but that information is incorrect.
And I never said they did all of the work for free, I said predominantly. Same goes for other projects.
Please don’t try to twist my words, I feel I was very clear with them.
Yes, it is their project. They own it. It’s theirs. They are the developers.
Linux is philosophically underlined by freedom of choice and personal customization
And Gnome doesn’t go against any of that. You are free to not use it. They aren’t forcing you. You are free to customise it. They aren’t stopping you.
Please stop acting so entitled. This is software they are providing for free, the bulk of the work being unpaid. They don’t have to do free work for your specific needs if they don’t want to. It’s their project.
I never insulted you. If my words hurt, then I’m sorry, my intention is not to hurt you.
I’m just trying to steer you away from the path you’re on of thinking you’re entitled to XYZ and some predominantly unpaid devs have to cater to your whims. They do not. It’s their project, not yours, and they rightly call the shots.
Sure, all those things could be argued to some degree or another. Just don’t call people cancer. Throwing insults devalues your argument.
I never called you cancer, or insulted you.
See:
Entitlement like that is the biggest cancer in the FOSS community, IMO.
I said feeling like the devs owe you something is entitlement, which is a cancer to the FOSS world. You aren’t owed anything, and neither am I.
Nowhere did I say you were cancer, unless you happen to proudly identify as an extremely entitled person.
Like I said, sorry if my words hurt you, but you aren’t entitled to have the devs carer to you specifically. The project is theirs and if you don’t like it, fork it or use something else. That’s what FOSS is all about.
Why do you think unpaid devs should have to do as you say?
The availability of extensions for everything is the true power of Gnome for me. They got most things right but I love being able to tweak every little detail to my exact liking
This is actually the one thing I hate about GNOME. I keep a nearly fully empty desktop but I like having one as sort of a staging ground for temp files. I like just being able to chuck a file there and then drag it into another program, all without having nautilus open
Yeah, desktop as the temp location is great for a few reasons.
I can easily see what is in the queue.
It reminds me to do something about it.
I can rearrange the dozen or so icons for fun when I am having trouble picking what to do. Kind of like inventory management in an rpg.
When I hit about 15 it prompts me to clear the list by either finishing them or putting them all away so I can start again with a clear screen.
Iirc, there’s an extension to allow for desktop icons? I may be misremembering, it might be a setting somewhere. Either way, I’m sure you can do it.
Oh yeah there is, it comes with Ubuntu. It’s a bit janky compared to the former native implementation though :(.
This is exactly how I use KDE, but without the GNOME look, which I am not a fan of. You don’t even need to hit meta first in KDE, you can just start typing if you have krunner on.
Why not disable apps going to your homescreen instead?
Windows works the same way, you just hit the windows key and start typing and you hit enter, made switching to popos much easier because I use it exactly the same way I do with my windows work laptop
Also You should check out kiss launcher for phone, just start typing and whatever app you want shows up, also has a history list that tries to have apps you use frequently at specific times. Although after using kiss for a few years now whenever I have to use someone’s phone it makes it really hard, seeing all those screens with icons like how can you find anything
I think she means OneDrive.
Its a black hole. You just drop files in there and never open them again.
Soooo true! I can’t believe how much they’ve made the damn computer fight you on this!
