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  • Belly_Beanis [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    $50k in fees

    totally reasonable price to tack onto a car worth less than $100k

    Jesus fuck why are they so fucking stupid lmao

    Who is giving this money to these people?

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    Is it really impossible to repair this thing after being “sideswiped by an e-scooter”? Like, I’ve known as well as anyone else that the truck is a joke but how is that even possible?

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      The truck totals itself upon impact. Just about any collision is enough to cause the truck’s deeply ill-conceived stainless steel exoskeleton to stress and damage the adjacent panels, because all of the force of the collision is applied directly to weak mounting points and then every adjacent part basically falls like dominoes.

      They made a truck that essentially cannot be repaired, what few repairs that can be made can only be done by the factory stripping the truck down completely and rebuilding a new truck from scratch on top of the original structural battery, and because there is no frame every single trim panel is actually integral.

      They made an eggshell out of stainless steel that tears itself apart because it’s too rigid, attached it to a load bearing lithium-ion battery pack, and then just clipped the plastic interior pieces onto the eggshell.

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          I shit you not, there is no frame. They removed all of the structural components from the vehicle and instead they’ve made all of the parts which would ordinarily be non-structural into structural parts. This was done with the explicit stated purpose of reducing the manufacturing cost of the vehicle by making it non-repairable.

          I’m talking about load-bearing Lithium-ion battery cells, structural plastic housings, even the glass window panes in the doors are considered so structurally important that rolling them down fundamentally changes the driving characteristics of the vehicle. It has a crash safety rating of Did Not Finish, it’s not water-tight enough to be driven in the rain or go through any car wash.

          The high repair costs and relative fragility of the vehicle are intentional aspects of the design goal for the Cybertruck, passing all possible costs onto the consumer by making a disposable pickup truck and offering OEM mod package installation and a complete factory replacement/refurbishment as the only two after-sales service options on a truck that cannot be serviced or modified by anyone other than Tesla, and will brick itself if it thinks you tried.

          They built a car the way you’d build a disposable vape.

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          It has like, a structural aluminium tub where you’d normally put the frame of a truck. That’s why the tailgate back half of the car rips off when you try tow something heavy with all that torque.

          It’s truly the car homer simpson would have designed if he were less intelligent.

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          I remember reading about structural battery packs a few years ago. Are any other EVs doing it? I assumed it was standard practice now.

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        because all of the force of the collision is applied directly to weak mounting points and then every adjacent part basically falls like dominoes.

        how much of that is due to the aesthetic of the car? Like, could you theoretically build a cybertruck that didn’t have this problem? (meaning it’d still look exactly like a cybertruck from the outside)

        • Lyudmila [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          Depends on what you mean by “from the outside.”

          A car manufacturer could absolutely manufacture a vehicle using more conventional and safe methods with an industry-average level of attention paid to mechanic access, and which appears more or less identical to the Cybertruck as released from the outside. Likely there would be some minor differences based on tooling, but let’s just handwave away the little stuff like that or “parts bin” items that another manufacturer wouldn’t have access to.

          Given that the level of attention paid to safety or repairability of the actual Cybertruck was worse than none, I imagine no other car manufacturer would actually make or sell something with quite the same number of deeply stupid and actively dangerous ideas even for a one-off concept car, so the interior would look quite different, but let’s again handwave that away as well.

          The actual problems show up with the interior space. The stupid cost cutting and deliberate disregard for safety or durability did allow Tesla to use a manufacturing method that results in a thinner roof structure and lower floor height than conventional manufacturing methods would allow. A truck made to look like the Cybertruck with conventional manufacturing methods would have a much shorter cabin space and would likely feel more like you’re sitting in a sports sedan or a subcompact. There would also be large intrusions into the cabin (likely both in the ceiling and floor) to fit components that Tesla either skipped or didn’t need to use because of the manufacturing process that they chose to make the actual Cybertruck.

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      For a normal car it’s repairable, probably be an overpriced fix but not totalled. For a Cybertruck? Would not be surprised if Tesla dealerships are literally not capable of that level of repairs.

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        To be fairs, they aren’t even capable of reliably making the thing in the first place. Shit’s more jank than a Bri’ish car built in the 70s. Pure vibes based engineering.

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      How its built, first the air bags went off which are crazy expensive which damages interior panels as well. It looks like both doors were damaged, and back quarter panel. I know the rivian pickup back quarter panel extends to the front of the truck so who knows what this does. The roll down cover for the bed was probably damaged if that back quarter panel was damaged. The bed could also be damaged depending on how its attached to the quarter panel. Stainless isn’t very forgiving, its very rigid so its possible it could damage other things while being damaged. I bet only Tesla repairs these things too. So yes not surprised.

      https://www.theautopian.com/heres-why-that-rivian-r1t-repair-cost-42000-after-just-a-minor-fender-bender/

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          Tbf I’m old enough to have set off airbags on strangers vehicles with a well placed kick to the drivers side headlight when they were first released. They are no longer this way, but they used to be.

          Just some perspective.

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          My wife hit a concrete mailbox doing like 5 mph, 8 kph and all the airbags went off. All depends on how its hit.

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            That’s the thing most averaged priced cars could easily be totaled when air bags deploy. So either this doesn’t keep value or how its built. Also probably only manufacturer will fix. It’s got to be how its built. Swasticar 😂

            Edit: spelling

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      Along with the other things mentioned, Tesla hasn’t been good with insurance repairs. They have such a backlog with parts and service that insurance companies have been totalling a lot of vehicles that are repairable because they would take too long to repair.

      Especially so with the cybertruck because there’s no way use bondo and paint, there’s only a few specialist Delorean shops that can rework stainless panels. That means only complete panel replacement, which is a complicated procedure on the CT because it mostly uses adhesive rather than fasteners to attach body panels. It’s like a supercar, they don’t design them to be repaired, because they don’t want them to be repaired.

  • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Allstate isn’t covering that and hitting me with depreciation.

    Paying twice MSRP for a gimmicky car, driving it around for a while, and being surprised that the insurance company won’t give you all your money back.

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    Hitting one of those inflatable dancing tube guys while driving out of the dealership and my cybertruck shatters into a thousand-thousand pieces while the tube guy continues to dance.

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    I appreciate I’m in a minority in the western world when I say that buying a car on loan is an awful idea. I’ve never done it and I’ll risk 100 used rustbuckets before I pay market price for a car.

    But really? You can get a 10% LTV ratio on a car loan? For a car that can be totalled by a scooter? What an triply awful decision for both the bank and the car owner.

    • I am the same way. it’s wild to me that this is considered eccentric, but I do love running into my fellow freaks on the road, keeping some 15+ year old little economy car rolling from A to B, getting those groceries. no console, no frills, no payments.

      car brains really internalize the marketing materials for cars. I get the weirdest pity from them over my little reliable relic. they have no idea how much pride I have in keeping this 20+ year old little gas sipper I snapped up for a song when a family member was “upgrading”. they’ve changed cars 3 times since!

      every time I run some car-required errands with this little enchantress, I feel like I am the unrivaled king of the road.

      I remember first seeing they were offering 60 months terms on car loans. I was like, “who would be crazy enough to do that?” after seeing how popular they were, I decided to stop trying to understand car brain.

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        I very much relate to this, I had a '98 Honda that died its final unrecoverable death last year. It was reliable, comfy and could carry stuff, literally all I need from a car. I paid £600 for that car (and way less on maintenance), it’s replacement this year cost £1k. Sides were rusting and a rear door wouldn’t open, but it otherwise worked perfectly well, it even had a built-in picnic table that I kept before sending it to scrap.

        It’s amazing the way some people will look at you with pity and/or scorn for having an old car, when I’m just happy I paid at least 30 fold less than the average for the same functionality. Plus as I need a car, keeping the old’un chugging on tends to be better environmentally.

        I relate with the last sentence. When I heard that over 90% of car purchases in this country are on some kind of finance, I literally refused to believe it.

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        All that is true however one disadvantage of this approach to car ownership is you are quite behind on safety features.

        As cars have gotten larger and heavier with the SUVification/electrification of every single vehicle you’re at an increased risk.

        • yeah, I’ve heard that argument. and while true, even with all the new safety features, driving still murders drivers and pedestrians in the states with pretty reckless abandon. like as though the real danger is less about the individual vehicle and more about the civic infrastructure.

          personally, I don’t see what is so safe about charging $4,000 for $1,000 dollars’ worth of center console toy screens for drivers to play with that comes standard in all cars now.

          our roads as they exist are a charnal house no matter what. I solve this by driving extremely defensively and have made major life changes to avoid having to get behind the wheel as often as I used to.

          the safety features manufacturers talk up in their pitches only seem to serve their repair shops, because now if you bump your Ford Dreadnaught XLT into the Nissan Galacticus 1A in the Kroger parking lot while watching the navigation cam feed, both vehicles deconstruct themselves and become undrivable.

      • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        I still find it really funny how the core concept of a foundational (heh) scifi series is literally just a guy discovers historical materialism and is considered a prophet for it.

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          That’s why I dislike all the Foundation-related works after Second Foundation. They veer directly into Great Man Theory nonsense, with a side of misogyny that goes even beyond the original stories.

          The AppleTV series is the worst of all. It’s unrecognizable. Salvor Hardin is a brooding loner who fetishizes their gun, which is so fucking offensive to me. I’m perfectly fine with gender changes so long as the core of the character remains faithful to the stories. And that’s just the start of the bullshit changes.

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            I was soooooooooooo disappointed with the Apple show. Why even buy the license if you’re just going to make your own story? Fans of the books are just going to hate it anyway.

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              With the sole exception of much-needed gender swaps, it truly is baffling how badly the writers made every possible bad decision they possibly could have taken. I refuse to believe that they’d actually read the original books. Even people who aren’t fans, but have read them at some point, know that everything happening on screen bears no resemblance to the books aside from that single courtroom scene.