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CoolerOpposide [none/use name]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago

China is destroying the environment destroying industry, but at what cost?

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China is destroying the environment destroying industry, but at what cost?

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  • TraschcanOfIdeology [they/them, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    That’s rich coming from the economic union that spends 40% of its budget on agricultural subsidies, which they then use to flood global south countries that sign FTAs with the EU with cheap food, ruining the livelihood of peasants and smallholder farmers.

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      us-foreign-policy

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netBannedBanned from community
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      When we do it, it’s simply western ingenuity and entrepreneurship. When they do it, it’s sinister.

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      That’s not why they do it the livelihoods of peasants in the global south are collateral damage. The intent is cheap food in Europe.

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        Do they have export tariffs on food then? I’m genuinely asking, I can only find agriculture related import tariffs after a few minutes of searching. The EU’s only got 1/5 the export of agricultural products of the US by dollar amount, but that’s still a shitload with the comparative population density

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          by no means are they in any way concerned about ruining the livelihood of global south peasants. They subsidise agriculture for the reason of cheap food and supporting the rural European economy and then to deal with surplus dump unsold food on the market. Like I said they know what they are doing to the global south’s agricultural economy but it isn’t the object of the exercise

          it’s also not a practice unique to the EU China does the same thing with steel. A country that wished to protect itself from this would more reasonably put import tariffs on EU food and use this money to subsidise it’s own agriculture than expect the EU to stop a successful program to spread money to rural areas and provide cheap food

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    • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netBannedBanned from community
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      China also has high speed rail, bus, and cycling infrastructure along with cheap EVs, so their EVs may actually do some positive change. Domestic EVs in china also outsell Teslas because it’s cheaper. The US government has its climate change eggs in the Mungus basket and they can’t even compel him to be safer, produce more cars, or make it sensible and affordable to switch over.

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    • CoolerOpposide [none/use name]@hexbear.netOP
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      wojak-nooo BUT HOW WILL WE MILK EVERY PENNY OUT OF THE WORKING CLASS

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    Weird, I thought subsidised industry couldn’t compete with the efficiency and innovation of the free market.

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    Look what they need to do to mimic a mere fraction of our power parenti-hands

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      denguin something about productive forces

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    If they think the price of electric cars is being kept artifically low, have i got some news for them about all their fruit

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    never mind the U.S. agricultural subsidies. all for free trade until some mild inconvenience happens.

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    So China is offering cheaper EVs - which aren’t even going to help climate change on its own, but touted by liberals as the #1 solution - and they’re not even accusing them of being low quality due to its price, but simply taking up more market share and devaluing overpriced western shit?

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      Loved you in LaLa Land.

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      Wait a minute, why do you look so familiar… =.=

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        You might’ve recognized me in the extremely viral and financially successful feature film, Lars and the Real Girl

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          Gosling, I should have known that you would have been a silly, silly Hexbear.

          Just for that comment, I will make you do 2 more dance numbers in the inevitable sequel.

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    Nooooooo not cheap electric cars anything but that :(

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    The world isn’t yours anymore, NATO. Fuck off, seethe and cope.

    We’re moving forward.

    Communism will win and the world’s people will be liberated from enslavement by neocolonial capital. Capitulate or fucking rot.

  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]@hexbear.net
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    There’s some older work, specifically Maguire, T., Molina, A., et al (2004) building off of Lee, S. and Ditko, S. (1963) that looks at the disastrous societal consequences the unintended side effects that these ‘green energy drives’ can produce.

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      The solution to cars isn’t greener cars. It’s replacing cars with something else completely, like human powered vehicles or multi-passenger transport. /c/fuck_cars has the right idea

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        human powered vehicles

        This phrasing made by brain fly over bikes and land on Flintstones cars.

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          It’s because the car propaganda is so strong.

        • CombatLiberalism [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          yeonmi-park In Communist North Korea the passengers get out and push the trains

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        Correct but that is not why the EU is doing this.

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        human powered vehicles

        I am pessimistically imagining Musk and Bezos carried in giant glitzy palanquins

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          No no no, you gotta be optimistic about imagining Musk and Bezos being publically [redacted] by their palanquin bearers

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          I read glitzy as glizzy

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        The solution is to not leave fusion investment in the tentacles of power-crazed cyborgs.

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          actually there are massive government research facilities into fusion power and France and the UK work with China on that one. It just hasn’t panned out yet

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            I actually worked on the US’ omnishambolic ICF project. Even they joke about it always being 20 years away.

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              The impression I got is that there is interest and funding it’s just very difficult

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                Well yes, the current issue is that the systems were designed way ahead of the computational power to assess how the plasma would behave in such conditions so dealing with fluid instabilities that arises from the most microscopic of target asymmetriea occupies the bulk of their time.

                If they had another 4 billion dollars to build the system entirely from scratch I actually think they could get fusion based on what they know now. But they don’t and it works for weapons complex integration with is in the end what the DOE cares about so yeah

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          Power-crazed cyborgs would never invest in that, it’s all government funded. Our benevolent technocratic overlords are like the pharma companies, they’ll just leap on it like rabid pitbulls after it’s developed to make as much money as possible

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        I agree, but we can’t replace cars entirely anyway, which is why prioritizing public transportation while also improving personal vehicles is what China does. It’s just that they’re making their cars affordable as well as their trains and buses, while Europeans get angry that their shit is so expensive

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      [stares at names for several minutes looking for the ligma-style joke]

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        Alfred Molina is real, he also went by Dr. Octopus after successfully defending his thesis on electronic mind-altering evil robot tentacle arms.

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          His work in that field set back public acceptance of electronic mind-altering evil robot tentacle arm decades.

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        Yep here you go

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    I love the import tariffs on Chinese solar modules under Biden, Trump, and Obama

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    unfortunate similarity to parenti-hands

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    This woman is 100% a nazi.

    https://youtu.be/MrsLJPR80nE?t=93

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      she’s not a nazi under her leadership the german army started having to train using brooms instead of guns and shout bang bang. Nazis are not known for not prioritising militarisation

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        Within 7 years she managed to increase the military budget by 1/3.

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    huge state subsidies

    ~ socialism ~

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      This is just plain antimarxist.

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