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    Lotta posts on here lately that seem intent on minimizing the presence of marginalized groups and their resistance within the US. I wonder what someone would want out of a narrative that conveniently ignores grassroots activism and mutual aid while minimizing their effect when they don’t correlate with fundamental, top-down change. What position would a person have to be in to be comforted by a narrative like that? 🧐

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    What the fuck am I supposed to do?
    If I do anything non-violent to “rise up” against the government, it’s “not enough.” If I do anything violent, I put everything I have to care for at risk. I have a kid and a wife and a house and a mortgage and a job with a healthcare plan to be worried about.

    I want trump and his corruption and his cronies gone. But I’m not going to put my child’s chance at a stable future at risk to make it so.

    I will/do vote against him. I will/do protest. I will/do volunteer to help the victims of his shit policies. But I will not deprive my family of a husband/father/home. I can’t.

    So if that’s not enough, I’m sorry. I want to do more but they’ve got us pinned down. We need “air support.” We may even need outside help.

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      This exactly. We are human and oir system prevents us from having any power over that dumb ass. We did not vote him into power, the stupid electoral college did. Our vote is meaningless. Only our economic decisions are important. Vote with our feet, vote with our wallet. We should fight to vote with our data…but first we need to fight for our data back.

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        Europeans and Canadians need to believe that fascism is the result of impoverished working people voting wrong, because otherwise they’d have to admit that the US is not a democracy.

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      Democrats have been saying that for 30 years. The excuse that you need guns to prevent the government becoming tyrannical was a farce since 1900, there’s no way that individuals with AR-15s could overthrow the military unless the military lets them do so at which point you didn’t need the AR-15s in the first place.

      You can make an argument for home defense or hunting, but a shotgun or bolt action rifle are generally more than enough for that.

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          The President of the United States was throwing a rally and, furthermore, we now know that Trump’s people coordinated with groups like the Proud Boys. That’s not exactly spontaneous or lacking centralized organization.

          Also, I 100% guarantee you that if it hadn’t been MAGA, there would have been bodies on the ground well before they got to the Capital steps. The people in charge right now are the ones who are pro gun and ok with killing people they disagree with. They are also the ones who would argue for executing people for treason because that’s what the constitution says.

          It’s not that a violent revolution couldn’t happen, but there has to be something or someone to rally around and there just isn’t yet. No one with the clout to actually pull this level of support has gotten to that point yet.

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              8 million people across 2,700 locations, almost all non-violent, to protest…

              Do I need to refer you back to the original meme or do you actually think protesting counts as doing something in the US? Protesting hasn’t been effective since Republicans learned they can just ignore you.

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    40%

    To me, that’s the real issue. I’ve heard of and yearn for these situations where a population overthrows a corrupt government. But SO much of America is brain damaged enough that they intentionally, willingly, without a gun to their head, voted for this and believes it to be okay.

    There is a heavy propaganda machine affecting them as well as a deep religious institution. We don’t even see much of it often on international media. Even then, while it can move the needle, it also points to a sizable percentage of that 40% not being ignorant or scared of Kamala, but openly Evil as well as stupid. Even when Trump says the most insane shit, they’re still worried that a Democrat will burst into their home with a loaded Immigrant and kill them all.

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      Also a deep lack of education. They have been attacking access to education, eroding institutions, to keep the population dumb and docile

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    When it finally comes to it every Trump, MAGA, 2nd Amendment, gun loving American will rise up and stand on the side of tyranny

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    Lazy shit. Its easy to point and say “nothing” and never help or suggest a single idea to help.

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    Put a trucker hat on him, and a camo shirt. Most people don’t own guns in the U.S.

    Only about a third of people in the U.S. own guns, and those are mostly the dipshits who voted for our sorry excuse for a president.

    The fact is the people in charge are running the most well funded military in the world.

    If you think any of us can get close enough to their fat fuck orange Jesus to do anything, you’re deluding yourself.

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    Not much civilians can do about it…

    There are only 3 groups of people who can do anything:

    1. Congress could impeach, again. But they won’t with Mike Johnson in charge. Even if they did, there wouldn’t be the 67 votes in the Senate to convict.

    2. J.D. Vance could start the 25th Amendment process, but he’s out of the country sucking up to Victor Orbán:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyv16lq2rp1o

    1. The military could refuse all illegal orders and stage a coup.

    Average citizens can vote out all the Republicans… in 7 months…

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        I wish our country was able to do what the French do, but I would have to drive the length of three entire Frances before I made it to DC to protest. I don’t have the freedom or the finances to do that.

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          It’s mind boggling how people in the 19th century were able to make a coup and they didn’t even had a cars to drive. So much have changed since, I guess. Maybe Americans are only interested to defend slavery with all their guns.

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            Those of us who live in the civilised world absolutely understand

            The question is how far you Americans will allow things to go?

            You’re already fucked, but your opiates of shitty TV, pissy beer, fast food and the satisfaction that you seem to enjoy when you see people who are really suffering seem to placate you

            You don’t care about the vulnerable, the marginilanised, the suffering because you think you’re somehow going to dodge it, until it happens to you

            Americans gauge their happiness by the misery of others

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              You’re already fucked, but your opiates of shitty TV, pissy beer, fast food and the satisfaction that you seem to enjoy when you see people who are really suffering seem to placate you

              My god, update your stereotypes. There are SOOO many things to shit in the US for but these make you look uncultured.

              The US makes some of the best TV in the world. And unless you’ve got state run media, your country is full of the same trash TV.

              I see you’re ignorant to the local breweries all across the country. Do you shit on dutch beer because of Heineken, too?

              The fast food thing has some merit because yeah, it’s trash. But American cuisine is as varied as all of Europe. Calling out fast food feels like a nitpick. You’ve got lazy fast food slobs in your country, too.

              All of which really makes the last part seem undeservedly arrogant

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                The US makes some of the best TV in the world. And unless you’ve got state run media, your country is full of the same trash TV.

                Americunt exceptionalism in action.

                Have you ever watched non-American tv? I really doubt you have ever watched anything that was not produced in the English language.

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                  I mostly watch British shows. But you’re kind of right about the last part, the last non-english show I watched was the second season of Kongen Befaler and I feel like that doesn’t count.

                  So, does the US not make some of the best TV shows? Or are you only aware of the sitcoms and reality shows?

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                I spend a lot of time in the US

                I’m over there a few times every year

                I’ve had some amazing experiences there, but I’m talking about the US masses, not the intelligent and worldly individuals

                The average yank is a fucking idiot

                Bright people are always going to be bright. The value of an education system is to help the vast majority of people who are just average

                The US “education” system fails everyone, but those who have natural gifts are able to get somewhere

                Don’t even get me started on the idea that unless something has a dollar figure attached, it is of no value

                The superficial consumerism is bizarre and grotesque, particularly when there’s so much wealth concentrated in one country, yet people die from treatable diseases and starve in the streets.

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              Sorry but you clearly don’t understand because you make the same tired arguments that work for the rest of the world where things aren’t a nightmare but make no sense in the context of how life in the US specifically works, both due to absolutely zero social safety nets whatsoever and the fact that we can’t all just hop on a train and be at the capital in a few hours for the equivalent of €20 or whatever

              Then you’ve gotten so used to the meme of being the super smart enlightened non American educating the stupid fat lazy hamburgers that you ignore the countless times it is explained to you because no actually you are the smart one who knows everything better than us so clearly we are just wrong and stupid because you are correct and enlightened

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                How did the Protests during the Vietnam War happened? It is possible, but if you dont want to, you dont want to.

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                Or, maybe instead of insulting Europeans because no way they understand your special society, understand that your arguments are simply excuses to not revolt. Your zero safety net is reason enough to revolt. A pedo starting wars in your name is the follow-up.
                You don’t have to drive to DC to do something useful.

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      Yes fascists are famous for just letting themselves get voted out 🤡

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        Every two years “This is our last election”

        For over two hundred years…

        …when will you adjust your perception to align with reality as we know it?

        It is a mystery

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          How many times has a president openly tried to stop the transfer of power like trump did with the fake elector scheme and Jan 6th?

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        Americans have never actually seen a fascist government. Trump is headed that way, but he’s not yet in the same league as a Hitler, Mussolini, or Franco.

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          Not true, he’s in league with them since his actions and implemented policies have killed 1M+ citizens as well as all of the other deaths caused by the started & allowed wars he’s overseen

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            The million Covid deaths were due to incompetence, not fascism. 😉 It would be so much worse if he was actually good at fascism. LOL.

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      There is much that civilians can do besides twidling their thumbs hoping that congress or the military do something.

      The protests are good ways of meeting like-minded people in your community to form connections, as well as spreading awareness of local mutual aid groups so more can join or form ICE resistance groups who can join an encrypted chat to coordinate, alert neighbors, and talk strategy. It also is a good place for unions or union members to encourage others to unionize their workplaces, which can also ultimately work toward a national general strike, which is our most tangible and powerful collective action.

      The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor, allowing us to directly demand real changes (such as ending the war in Iran, ceasing support for the genocide of Palestine, and Abolishing ICE).

      The General Strike was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.

      There are some concrete steps all of us can take toward enacting that hard-core general strike to make it more viable and bearable for us all. (the titles below expand if you click them).

      Learn First Aid! ⛑️

      Violence is being used against those who resist and it will only continue. It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt.

      Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.

      But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.

      Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.

      Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊

      If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.

      These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.

      This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.

      There’s also some projects you can do that help build community (and can be fun in themselves!), for more info, go here, and scroll down to the “Fun Projects to Build Community) section”

      Join a Union to help prepare for a General Strike! 💪

      If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to make a general strike possible.

      Once you are in a union you and your coworkers will need to pressure your leadership to prepare for a general strike, as well as pressure them to organize with other unions to enact a general strike. This is especially true if you are in a more traditional union that isn’t the IWW. Your local shop may need to organize directly with other unions if your union leaders are too cowardly to do so.

      Most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike). A General Strike is officially planned by the UAW for May 1st 2028, but it was planned before Trump was elected, and by then will be too late, so prepare now for one that may start sooner.

      You can contact the IWW with the link below:

      And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.

      • 🇦🇷 Argentina: FORA
      • 🇦🇺 Australia: ASF-IWA
      • 🇧🇷 Brazil: FOB
      • 🇧🇬 Bulgaria: ARS, CITUB
      • 🇩🇪 Germany: FAU
      • 🇬🇷 Greece: ESE
      • 🇮🇹 Italy: USI
      • 🇮🇪 Ireland: IWW Ireland
      • 🇳🇱 🇧🇪 Netherlands & Belgium: Vriji Bond
      • 🇪🇸 Spain: CNT
      • 🇸🇪 Sweden: SAC
      • 🇬🇧 United Kingdom: UVW
      Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️

      Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.

      Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.

      Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.

      Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.

      We’ll start it off with some General Advice:

      • Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
      • Be careful about who you meet online
      • Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
      • Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
      • agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.

      For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).

      I’d also highly recommend Full Spectrum Resistance to anyone who wants further info on how to resist (audiobook version here).

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          Great, how many days of strikes are initially planned? What triggers the end or continuation of the protests? What will be blocked during that time?

          Looks like it’s just a day of demonstration in the streets, and no real action is planned?

          Sorry to be blunt, but this is just a Tuesday in France (or neighboring countries) because of pensions or something. If the president was a pedo starting wars, there would be a week-long (to start) protest and half the cities burned, with deadly confrontation with the police. Blocking major highways, trains and airports until it hurts the elite.

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        The problem is timing. You can’t get a world class protest or general strike together overnight, it takes organizing and planning, and that takes time.

        Trump is threatening action tonight, which is why it’s down to either congress, the cabinet, or the military.

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          Except not true.

          We’ve seen this is so many countries, where something happens and then the capital is swarming with hundreds of thousands or even millions of protestors the same day.

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            In countries that are tiny compared to the US. For me, personally, going to Washington D.C. to protest is either a 5 hour flight or a 41 hour drive.

            There’s no point protesting locally because the local politicians are already on the right side of things.

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              So everyone in America is a 41 hour drive from DC?

              Everyone in America has local politicians that are on the “right side of history”?

              Like maybe you can argue you personally have an excuse for not doing anything, but the entire country? Millions of people live near enough to DC to shut the city down with a mass protest. In my country people traveled for like 6 hours to protest on a days notice.

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                Won’t happen in the US because, like I said in the other post, people have no savings, are living paycheck to paycheck, and can’t take time off work for such things.

                And, yeah, most people are happy with their representation.

                Congress as a whole has incredibly low ratings, but when asked about YOUR congressperson, most people approve.

                https://news.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx

                Do you approve or disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job?

                2026 Feb 2-16 16% approve 80% disapprove 4% no opinion.

                Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling their job?

                2025 Dec 1-15 29% approve 70% disapprove 1% no opinion

                Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are handling their job?

                2025 Dec 1-15 24% approve 74% disapprove 2% no opinion

                Do you approve or disapprove of the way the representative from your congressional district is handling his or her job?

                2019 Jan 21-27 53% approve 35% disapprove 12% no opinion

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                  people have no savings, are living paycheck to paycheck, and can’t take time off work for such things.

                  More American exceptionalism

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              In my country they planned the Gaza protests in less than a week last year, they were huge, and guess what, I didn’t need to go to the capital to participate, I went to the one in my city.

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              And what are your local politicians doing? How are they fighting for you?

              If they are just twiddling their thumbs and waiting for this to end, like you are, then I would argue that they are NOT on the right side of things.

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          I agree, but regardless of what happens tonight, it’s not going to end or stop. We’ll need to encourage that grassroots organizing to effectively deal with the regime at some point in the future.

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      Well you could also be impolite about it and become a nuisance for the enablers and supporters.

      Or organise so that you aren’t as helpless the next time the same or another tries to abuse power.

      I always kind of understood that the majority of people would stay out of revolution to cope with just surviving. I just didn’t expect them to be so vocal about the apathy.

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          You’re asking the wrong question.

          If you did want to do anything, you’d ask how to make a difference/what can’t they ignore, and start gathering resources.

          It’s hard, it’s unappetizing, it’s probably not for you.

          For the civilians that can’t accept the current affairs, theres plenty of ways to support protest, peaceful or not.

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            What they can’t ignore is voting them out, hopefully No Kings will organize that as we get closer to the elections in November.

            Until then? All the noise? All the protests? They don’t care. They really do not.

            The writing is on the wall for the House, the Republicans will be out.

            The Senate is where No Kings needs to move the needle.

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              Uh… The White House is absolutely preparing to ignore unfavorable election results. But, sure, vote out the fascist regime. I’m sure that’ll work just fine.

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        Pretty much. The only action civilians can take that will actually do something is to vote and that’s 7 months away.

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      In theory, if we all stopped working and spending, it would stop within days. The system is set up to make that extremely difficult, risky and painful, but in theory we could get change through overwhelming collective action.

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          Lemmy always wants a revolution, but here’s the problem, you need someone to lead and organize it and there is absolutely nobody in that position.

          Particularly if Trump goes ahead with his action of destroying Iran tonight. There is no organized civilian resistance to that and even if you started organizing today, it would be months before you could overturn a sitting President, if at all.

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            non-statesians on lemmy want statesians to go die at the problem because that is one more method that means they don’t have to get off their asses

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        Stop within days, but Trump is threatening action tonight, which is why I say there’s nothing civilians can do about it.

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      People are the ones who can do the most. The problem is that Americunts are full of shit and excuses like “I need to go to work and have no time” or “there’s nothing we can do”, and don’t care enough to organise for a proper strike.

      You are giving up without having even tried to put up a fight.

      “What’s the point, we can’t do nothing”, yeah, not with that attitude.

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        LOL - People aren’t going to strike as long as they still need to put food on the table and gas in the car.

        Folks outside the US talk a good game, but they don’t understand the reality of “right to work” states. You can be fired at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all.

        When you live paycheck to paycheck, that’s a big incentive to not strike.

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          LMAO. Ah yes, the infamous “I can’t do nothing because I need to work” excuse.

          Do you have any idea how absolutely absurd that sounds?

          Do you think all the other countries that overthrew their corrupt governments were rich people who could afford to not go to work?

          You think you are somehow special? Well, of course you do, that’s the Americunt way. The Americunt exceptionalism. No one has it good as you and no one els has it as bad as you.

          What a joke… 🤡

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            Americans used to understand it, too. The 1960s Civil Rights movement was driven by some of the poorest people in the country, organizing together and developing mutual aid networks. And they didn’t get ignored like these bullshit No Kings protests because they actually inconvenienced the ownership class by cutting into their bottom line.

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              The civil rights movement was violent.

              Today, they pretend it was peaceful, they taught that it was peaceful for decades and the people believed their “lesson”

              … and here we are

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              Amazing what 60 years of capitalist propaganda and brainwashing will do to people. It’s like they have this unary thinking now, and believe that there’s one and only one option - go to work and obey their capitalist overlords, the same ones that are ruining the country.

              They have already given up before they even tried to do anything. And they won’t try to do anything as long as they’re receiving paychecks.

              Capitalist propaganda is so deeply ingrained that they believe money is everything, money can achieve anything, money is the most important thing in this life, and they must keep making money no matter what. Even if bombs were dropping in their yards, American priority is to make money above all else.

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                In America money is literally lifeblood: even the homeless still have jobs, but are too poor to afford housing/safety/medical care

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            It’s not about affording to not go to work, it’s about affording to lose your job, and that’s what would happen in the case of a general strike.

            The vast majority of Americans have no union protection, just 10% of the workforce as of 2025:

            https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf

            That’s down from 18% in 1985, and a full third of the workforce back in the 40s.

            https://cepr.net/publications/states-of-the-unions-the-shifting-geography-of-us-labor/

            https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47596

            In an era where Americans have no savings and couldn’t survive an emergency expenditure of $1,000, being able to keep working IS a significant motivator.

            https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/emergency-savings-report/

            https://www.usnews.com/banking/articles/2026-financial-wellness-survey

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              “My JOB!!!”

              You keep letting this happen to your country and you’re losing your job anyway.

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                This is true, but the primary problem for all Americans is short term thinking vs. long term consequences. 😉

                This is how you get CEOs going “Well just fire everyone, think of the payroll dollars we’ll save.”

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            Why does your country do so much business with the joke?

            Why does your country use the joke dollar for international trade?

            Why does your country buy military weaponry from the joke?

            Why does your country meekly accept the US-joke veto at the UN?

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              It does?

              Why is Europe moving away from the joke dollar and Visa/MasterCard?

              Why is Europe mostly buying new weapons from non-USA companies going forward?

              Why does the USA accept when other nations with veto power use it at the UN?

              Because everyone finally realised what a joke of a country the USA is. However the systems that were built over the past 80 years since WW2 will take a bit of time to replace, but Europe is certainly moving away from the USA dependence

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                It does?

                Yes

                Why is Europe moving away from the joke dollar and Visa/MasterCard?

                In other words, “we are still using the joke dollar and joke visa/mastercard”.

                Why is Europe mostly buying new weapons from non-USA companies going forward?

                In other words, “we are still buying joke US weapons as of now”

                Why does the USA accept when other nations with veto power use it at the UN?

                The joke USA enjoys other jokes and has a good sense of humor

                Because everyone finally realised what a joke of a country the USA is.

                In other words “we have submitted to the joke country for 80 years, and now we are grumbly about it, but we still take a knee to the joke country of course”

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                  And where is it that I am from Mr. Oracle?

                  Are you implying that because you can’t keep your corrupt fascist pedophiles in check, the Europeans and the rest of the world should suffer? While you yourself allowed corrupt fascist pedophiles rise to power?

                  Typical Americunt, shit the bed and then expect others to clean it.

                  And the USA wasn’t a joke country all the time, but it slowly deteriorated since WW2 and it took someone like Trump to come into power and reveal the true face of the modern fascist USA.

                  Now that the world has learned, everyone is moving away from them. But of course, in a typical Americunt fashion, it’s the fault of the others, not the Americans living there.

                  “wWhY iS yOuR cOuNtrY sUpPoRtInG uS tHeN”.

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      No, non-Americans are demanding that Americans handle the shit we have been telling them would happen for about three decades now.

      Americans are acting like overly defensive, whiny cowards about it.

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        Treating us like a monolith ignores the millions of Americans who have dedicated themselves to bringing this beast down, most of us long before Trump ever took public office, some at great personal risk and consequence. We don’t assume that all Europeans are jew-scapegoating islamophobe vassal dogs who will slavishly comply with a war in Iran despite being seriously threatened with military annexation by the US within the past year, despite the optics begging that assessment, despite being poked with this “Do something, Americans!” stick only now that you too have been made materially uncomfortable (Like I’m fuckin tired boss, I have been doing something continually since Occupy Wall St when I took my first pepper spray, before they were using the more exotic chemicals). We know that despite the failure of Europeans as a whole to stop fascism on their soil before it was too late (Several times now) that there are freedom fighters over there too who dedicate their life and safety to pushing progress, and we applaud them. Even though they don’t usually get shot at or lynched by cops or shipped to a cage in another country when they get close to their goals. We know that it would be an insult and an erasure to assess them by the failures of their societies.

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        Why do I get the sense you’ve never even punched anyone in your life?

        Get back under your bridge and stay there you useless do-nothing fraud.

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          Why do I get the sense you’ve never even punched anyone in your life?

          Try again. In Saskatchewan, “never punched anyone” just meant you skipped hockey practice.

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            Oh what a badass. Well since it’s no big deal and all, why don’t you singlehandedly take down our government for us?

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      Right? And then i go and read the “well what can you really do” comments and it’s shit i’ve already been doing for the last 30 years. So like, it’s time for other people to step up ALSO because i am fucking tired and covered in scars from this fight already.

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        I can’t help but feel like a huge, huge problem is that like half the country, and the most rich and powerful of us, are fully behind the same things that everyone else wants to gather up and blow up DC or something over. This is not like the country is united at all. Its more like half of the Americans (the poor half) are super unhappy with what’s happening and the other half absolutely love it. Makes things a lot harder.

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      You noticed that too…I guess being a cunt is the human condition. There are a lot of Americans doing something substantial right now. They get charged with terrorism if caught, and get zero honest or credible media coverage, but they are still out there engaging in real action. If everyone took it upon themselves to do whatever they could, instead of worrying/accusing everyone else of doing nothing, a lot more would get done.

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    God damn so we need a recall function that’s able to be initiated by the public.

    Imho everyone from the president down to the dog walker should be subject to a recall possibility

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    If this was basically any other country the capital building would be swarming with an angry mob.

    But Americans are just like “well I guess we’re going to genocide a country…m bet write a quippy tweet about this”

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      If January 6th had been angry and violent liberals the crowd would have been fired on when they started trying to get into the Capital building.

      The people who are against what is going on are typically the non-violent, non-gun owning, and sensible people. The people in power and who support what is happening in Iran are the ones who support violent revolution and have no problem killing people they disagree with.

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      Basically any other country is small enough for the mob to get to the capitol building at a moments notice

      Plus there already are protests outside those buildings daily

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        And European countries usually have some form of mass transit that would aid protestors in getting to the capitol. The most populous US cities are not the political center of the country and don’t have cheap access to them. An Amtrak ticket from NY to DC is like $130 minimum and can barely hold a normal day’s amount of commuters, let alone an influx of mass protestors. And the Amtrak NE Corridor is some of the best interstate public transit the US has.

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        Imagine driving 40 hours from LA to DC to protest on of president flip flop’s statements

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      Why is the angry mob just fine with your government…

      Using the US dollar for international trade

      Doing daily business with the USA

      Buying your weapons from the USA

      Why is your country sitting at the table with Nazis and doing nothing?

      ???