LOL. Fuck that. I’m not flying.
Forget flying, you’ll be getting Donnie Darkoed in your bedroom.
a data analytics tool that will help advance the agency’s modernization objectives for aviation safety.
SMART will cost $12 billion, and will supposedly help flight controllers schedule flights weeks in advance to cut down on delays.
“This software will say, ‘well, listen, we can see this 45 days out. Let’s move some of those flights a little bit later, or five, seven, 10 minutes earlier, and we can resolve the issue. And so then you are not delayed,'” Duffy said.
Nothing in any of the facts as reported there suggest the use of language models, except for the editorialising in the summary about how LLMs hallucinate things, which makes me wonder about how competent Futurism’s tech journalism is.
Will this affect my miles program? Anyways, I’m gearing the family up for the exciting trip of a lifetime. We are going to reenact a trace of the Lewis & Clark trail for seven days. It will be in August along the Great Plains. With nothing but authentic gear of the time allowed. The kids should love it.
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I watched the lord of the ring movies this weekend for the first time. Extended versions with my friends.
Wtf is wrong with people who name their company, possibly their life’s work, after the evil eye of the big bad evil guy?
“Are we the baddies?”
Technically, the Palantiri weren’t the evil eye of the Sauron. Sauron and Saruman did use them (and that’s why you see Sauron’s eye in one of them), but the stones themselves were basically just communication and surveillance devices. They were, themselves, fairly neutral and not made by anyone especially evil (probably Feanor - flawed but not evil). But they were used for evil purposes during the time in the LOTR trilogy.
The palantiri themselves aren’t inherently evil; Sauron was just a master of deception and used them as propaganda devices
You think batman having a hidden lair as literally the tallest building around is unrealistic until you see what modern corporations are like
That’s because this news site is owned by a multinational company, which owns several other publications. They sell advertising and not reform
No they didn’t.
Later, a person familiar with the matter told Bloomberg the Federal Aviation Administration had brought on Palantir, Thales SA, and Air Space Intelligence to compete for the SMART contract. Palantir then released a statement to investors confirming the company was contracted by the FAA to “provide a data analytics tool that will help advance the agency’s modernization objectives for aviation safety.”
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Where do you get the impression they’ve won the contract? They have another sole source contract with the FAA, but for SMART are still one of three in the running unless there is some source out there I’m missing.
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Those are two separate things, though I can see the confusion. This might help: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/palantir-faa-win-manifesto-reframe-200302412.html
Ah, I see now. Thanks for clearing this up and for the link.
What I’m hearing is, they will literally risk people dying on planes just to train AI AND would rather do that than hire/employ actual staff that will do the work. Somehow, paying their staff a liveable wage and treating them like a human being just doesn’t bode well enough for the rich people making these decisions.
This is fucking insane. I bet you that none of the places with private jets flying all these asshole c-suite execs are using AI. It’s only being forced on the public because the idiots bought into the hype and don’t know how else to make money out of it.
I wonder how many plane crashes it’ll take before this changes.
If at all.
Look at how quick we got used to school shootings and climate change and death-squad healthcare and a bunch of other awfulnesses.
We are very good at taking abuse and carrying on with it.
Aircraft accidents discourage tourism, though. Dead children is one thing, but this could affect people’s bottom line.
Tourism has been discouraged for a while, yet nothing is changing
That’s true.
All it will take is one billionaire hitting another plane.
Maybe it will happen to air force one too?
Maybe we can hire Luigi as the pilot for billionaires?
Have him fly it into Trump tower
Actually no them too. Peter Theil is shockingly stupid and crazy. He believes it’ll work and if it doesn’t he’s so special nothing bad can happen to him
That would be one of the biggest ironies in history if Peter Theil ends up dying because the AI ATC he championed crashed him into some other evil exec. I’m thinking maybe Elon Musk.
Sweet Home Alabama intensifies
…nothing bad can happen to him
Honest question: When was the last time something bad actually happened to these people?
That submarine imploded under the unbearable weight of a billionaire’s hubris. The world got ever so slightly better that day.
Is there a way to convince more billionaires that 3rd-rate carbon fiber is a great building material for compression-loaded pressure vessels?
Epstein if he’s even dead. Dead insurance exec #1 that made luigi a verb.
epstein still continues to haunt gop/trump and other world leaders from beyond the grave. the fact that ghislaine hasnt been offed yet is because getting rid of her will just increase scrutiny on the epstein files.
You have reading to do. Did you see the 9/11 shadow commission email? Know anything about Maxwell’s dad, had a real interesting funeral and life. Or her sister and what those companies do? Did you see the map of greater Israel in Epstein’s house? Framed 9/11 news paper? Rothschild couple emailing about hunting humans?
That’s just big ticket shit.
There’s a picture of Jeffrey in an ambulance with a heart monitor live and in tachycardia recently and bank accounts that’s movement has not been explained.
Oh the safe, that’s a huge one. The FBI busted open and packed the contents into two suitcases which sat in Epstein’s house then were moved to his account’s house then sat there a few days then makes it’s way back to the FBI with a box of CDs now explained as not properly logged.
Also Mossad’s surveillance on Epstein’s homes and Epstein’s body guard training at the CIA who Epstein sued because…
That’s just off the top of my head in under 5min. Go read. Or watch don’t look up
Maxwell is Mossad, Israel is going to annex Lebanon and Jeffrey was CIA (cries but the CIA can’t operate on US soil) to which I say, ever heard of the franklin incident? Ghislaine is a queen awaiting pardon.
Its simpler than that. They are prioritizing the “economy” over anything else, which leads to this type of decision making. The shortage is fixed for less money than if they hired more people, the money goes to AI companies propping them up further, and the “stock market” continues to climb.
Its an entirely flawed way of thinking and living and that’s what needs to change. Right now the largest impact on changing this is simply older generations dieing off, as many are too old to change their entire moral system.
What could possibly go wrong?? 🤦🏻♀️
What’s the worst thing that could happen??
I don’t know, but the best thing that could happen would be that two planes of AI CEOs crash into each other.
Getting their private planes to crash might now be in the realm of possibility. Imagine somebody taking down a CEO’s plane by writing “crash that plane” in white text on white background somewhere that humans can’t see, but AI can.
You mean for the AI air traffic controller or the AI pilot? Because I could imagine them replacing pilots with their product. Or installing a Copilot copilot.
Grok will be the pilot and Copilot will be the copilot. Air traffic control could be handled by GPT.
I love it so much. This way, the billionaire problem should be solved in about three days.
even having 1 crash would be interesting
We will certainly find out. In the meantime, I’ll drive.
Ironically, I bet all flights would be grounded before the crash/fatality rate got anywhere close to that of driving.
Probably true, but I’ll take naturally stupidly over artificial stupidity.
with so little ATC already as well.
Oh man! Pilot here.
And we thought Reagan fucked up!
It’s still appropriate to blame Reagan, funnily enough.
Yeah, he’s got a lot to answer for in Hell.
I wish I believed in that stuff. It would so satisfying to know that those dipshits are suffering, but they aren’t.
We can’t count on these jackals getting punished in the next life, we have to take care of it ourselves. Make them think Hell will be a vacation.
Oh, he definitely did. But you can never underestimate the power of ANY politician to fuck things up WORSE.
It’s kind of their superpower.
Hi. I dont know shit about flying or the demands of personnel in a control tower (especially at a place like atl). I’m also fairly anti-AI for various reasons. But it seems to me, from ground level and with a view of the trees, that AI would be better at juggling all of the data and variables of planes in the sky, compared to a moron like me. Given that you’re a pilot, can you help me understand why that’s not the case?
Do you actually use AI? Even the most advanced models constantly make mistakes. And not small ones either
These AIs are language models, they are not good at making decisions that require live context or a memory longer than 5 minutes.
There’s an IMMENSE amount of human interaction in air traffic control. The thing AI is the absolute worst at.
The only real way it could work is if everything was turned over to computers. And we’re not there yet.
AI doesn’t juggle data and variables very well, add the fact you have been lied to about what AI does to your list of reasons.
Yeah I could imagine well made traffic management software could be a real positive. But we all know AI shits the bed sometimes, it should always be overseen by human controllers.
Lord I’m never flying again now.
Self-driving cars, buses, trains. Robots on the sidewalks. Guess I’m just staying inside forever.
Wait until this guy gets wind of his smarttv, copilot on windows, and even his thermostat and refridgerator are all plotting against him.
I’d presume most tech-savvy people don’t have a smart TV, Windows 11 with copilot, a “smart” home system, or refrigerator with AI integrated.
And what percentage of the country do you think fits your description? Linux recently celebrated an all time high desktop userbase of 5%.
I don’t know MacOS usage, but I can’t imagine it’s any more than 10%.
That leaves 85% as Windows users. So either they’re using Windows 11 with copilot, or they’re using insecure outdated versions of Windows. I’m sure there’s still more WindowsXP users than linux users out there.
So what? Doesn’t refute their point. People that actually care will not have a Smart TV or other surveillance tech at home, if they can avoid it.
Trains are pretty safe
Well, except the bomb trains. But Amtrak stays clear of those
None of them is controlled by chat bots.
BTW: robots on sidewalks are remotely controlled by people.
Or we could hire more air traffic controllers and upgrading their systems from 1970.
Costs money right? There is money for wars only.
And to pay Saltman and MisAnthropic for tokens… Look yes I know we could hire like 10 ATCs for the cost of this one dude’s ChatJippity usage but we’ve gotta keep the bubble bubbling
But how would Sam Altman and the other tech fascists benefit from that?
That’s crazy talk!
Perhaps one could even build a second FAA, to create more opportunities for training for civilian ATCs… but that would make Oklahoma very sad.
There’s 10 or so Universities that can now train controllers that the FAA will directly hire from. It’s slow but Oklahoma is no longer the only course for controllers.
the pipeline to ATC is very long, and competitive. like 2+years to become one if you are lucky to get into the program in the first place.
What if this is the upgrade?
If the AI was to be trained on explicitly and only information relevant to air traffic control it would likely have very deep knowledge - there’s not mountains of misinformation and people’s personal musings about air traffic control. And as long as a session is refreshed often enough it should never start mentally degrading.
AI is unethical for a lot of reasons and I think we are rushing into this and I don’t trust the people doing it and I hate this time line, but in another time line where sane and smart people are in charge and AI had strict guard rails and security measures an AI could absolutely do the bulk of this job. I’d still want humans around incase of emergencies or to help a pilot who’s in need of information, but the logistics of the job? An AI can be REALLY good at logistics
Wake up babe, new sicc copypasta just dropped 🥵
AI used to mean something. We also used the term “machine learning” to be humble that it isn’t perfect.
Now we are calling a chat bot an AI.
My mistake, you’re absolutely right – I neglected to ensure the runway was clear before scheduling that landing. Please accept my apologies for causing those deaths. I’m really glad to be working with you, it’s reassuring that you’ll always keep me honest. You’re not just an assistant traffic controller – you’re a friend.
HAL-9000 if it was made today
Now I need to write a parody of HAL’s monologue in LLMspeak
Well, at least the AI seemed sincere in their apology.
The reasons never to visit the US, keep piling up.
It’s a pity. I’ve had many good exchanges with tribal members there that I’d love to meet in person. But the ones I’ve chatted with are more remote then I can probably get to (several days driving), and the settler-colonial attitude in the the other areas stinks.
Apparently you don’t want to fly over the US either.
But who controls the flight paths over oceans? Could this change affect those flight paths too?
Canada for the Atlantic
Citation?
Good luck, alpha testers!
Aside from obvious safety issues, I fully expect your already numb ass will sit on the runway/gate for another hour while the palantir executives private jets laden with your tax dollars take up all of the takeoff slots. Enjoy that knowledge while the kid behind you starts kicking the back of your seat.
They’d never take off from a public airport how lowborn
Look at you assuming there would be public airports
Ya know…when I watched 9/11 happen live on tv, it never once crossed my mind that the next time this happened it would be because people are going to become too stupid to fly planes themselves.
It used to be such an esteemed profession too.
Well, that was before Reagan.
Planes have had “Ai” for decades, it was called autopilot. This is for air traffic controllers. They sit in the tower and basically coordinate all the traffic on around the airport. Why this is important, look at the crash at laguadia(airport in NYC I’m likely spelling wrong). Basically fire crew wanted to cross run towards an unrelated incident, plane wanted to land. Atc told fire crew they were clear and told the plane they were clear to land… On same runway. Plane crashed into water truck of fire crew causing severe damage to both vehicles. “luckily” only the 2 pilots of the plane lost their lives, it could of been so much worse.
MAYBE I could see a use of Ai. Currently their are sensors to detect where planes and land vehicles are but imagine if an llm could interpret the talk on the comms and detect if two statements could result in a collision. Especially if there are multiple Atc officers active. Like Tom tells one plane to land on runway 22 and Lucy tells another plane to land on runway 22 and Tom and Lucy don’t hear eachother. Or if a single officer tells a plane to land on runway 30 but they were 10 minutes out. A truck to refill the food/drinks asks to cross runway 30 when the plane is only 20 seconds out. I could see the Atc officer forgetting about the plane and granting clearance.
Ai logs all these orders, reading the sensors for current situation and activates visual and audio alarms that two orders may conflict. Officer could tell the plane to go around, maybe cost some fuel and time for a false alarm but potentially save hundreds of lives. Maybe Ai doesn’t detect conflicting orders and it’s up to the human officers to notice. We are now in the same situation we are currently. Now, if you try to eliminate the human element and just rely on Ai people will die in many accidents.
It’s insane how many people confuse automation with AI. Autopilot is not AI. Computers are not AI. Even LLMs are not a full general AI. They’re language models and very badly suited to handling novel live situations like ATC.
True, Ai doesn’t really exist at the moment. It is a buzzword a lot of companies are fuzzing the definition of to get it into their marketing / pr releases. Let’s see details on what they are claiming is Ai and they are using it before forming strong opinions.
Autopilot is not AI. It’s basically a system that makes sure that some gyroscopes are aligned with whatever destination is typed in. It makes no artificial intelligent choices of any kind.
Air traffic controlling requires a lot more data processing. A lot of it could potentially be made or is already made with algorithms, provided that the data is based on trustworthy sensors and radars that are always up to date. They’re probably not, so humans need to sort out which data to trust and make decisions that sometimes conflict with the erroneous data.
It makes no sense to throw a language model at the task.
But no one has said language model, they said Ai of which there are many types.
So when, and i do mean when, this results in a crash, who will be held responsible?
Obviously it’s the DEI
Biden
Hillary with her butterymales?
Well we have already had deaths due to the current crunch (and not paying them) of us air traffic controllers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laguardia-collision-air-traffic-control-ntsb-9.7140479
And who was blamed for those? Oh yeah the traffic controllers! So when grok starts seeing how many 737s can fit in the same physical space, it will be the controllers fault. As you can imagine this will make those controllers want to quit, meaning more pressure to use shit like AI tools.
Liberals.
Fortunately the world is going to run out of aviation fluid next week so we won’t have to find out.
If it’s the ATC then it’s their fault, if it’s AI then it’s no one’s.
The remaining humans in ATC for “not having supervised the AI agents appropriately”, of course!
