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The post Xitter web has spawned so many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
LWer to Big Yud: Please be serious
theyāre just jelly Elezier has all the cool hats and gets all the
chicksmath pets-3 upvotes and 0 karma, but the article is absolutely right (they hate this post because it tells the truth). If Eliezer wants to influence public discourse and policy on an international level, he absolutely does need a respectable image (with maybe a touch of eccentricity in an allowable way). But apparently (what he thinks is) the literal end of the world isnāt enough to make him actually try for normie public image. Or maybe he has some galaxy brain plan about how looking like a weirdo actually helps his cause? If he does, I strongly suspect it is a rationalization.
this seems like a great time to bring back AI disagreements by Brian Merchant where a rationalist AI convention spends more time arguing about AI takeover scenarios then they do discussing plans to actually stop AI and implement anti-AI policies
The fan cites an article by Kevin Roose which is gently skeptical of Yud. To paraphrase President Johnson, if Yud has lost the most credulous rube the NYT editorial board can find, he has lost DC.
that image of Yud made me laugh out loud
Looks to me he took the debate the correct amount of serious.
Edit: the link to the debate nobody seems to link: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FIg4zQKBpAs 15k views in 3 days
yeah if anything this is making yud look good T_T amazing stuff
The top comments under the yt vid:
āIf people like 47fu build it, everybody dies.ā
And
When I saw Eliezerās attire in the thumbnail, I was a bit disappointed. However, after listening to the first five minutes, Iām wondering how the hell he knew to dress so appropriately. Now Iām convinced he is a genius.
Unrelated to that, but is it just me or does Liron Shapira look weird? Did he use some sort of genAI overlay on his own looks, or some weird postprocessing something? His older vids donāt give me that vibe. The bowtie looks oddly floaty. (But can be that they always do that and Iām just not around enough people who wear that).
The most pedantic nerds on Earth (complimentary) have strengthened their āLLMs fuck offā rule with VCR instructions for quickly deleting stuff by people with a history of LLM use.
Kevin Roose mentioned that in 2023 Yud started a relationship with a Gretta Duleba in Washington State. Her professional site is here. She started out in IT, and retrained to be a Marriage and Family Therapist. āGrettaās other areas of clinical focus include neurodivergence, ethical non-monogamy, LGBTQ+ issues, sexuality, and kink.ā In her prediction market on the relationship she says that they started dating in September 2022 and they moved to the same city in January 2023.
In 2023 she said she shut down her practice (although the NYT implies she is still working) and started full-time jobs at MIRI as communication director then executive assistant to Eliezer Yudkowsky. She says she left by the end of 2025, but she still has a Staff page on the MIRI website. āRight now: Iām doing independent technical alignment research.ā
She met one of her long-term partners, Duncan Sabien, at a CFAR workshop in 2015. Sabien is also in a relationship with one of Yudās former long-term partners who has changed names and gender presentations. That seems a bit incestuous and explains some of the drama and incompetence in these spaces. She and the former partner both use the A-word about themselves.
Her social media presence is mostly Substack, Twitter, and Discord, and she has a whole blog sharing letters to former partners and an invitation to proposition her by email because of course she does. And she organizes orgies with Aella. Yud sometimes seems flirty with Aella on twitter.
They seem happy together but giving up your career for a partner you are not married to is a big risk. She has 8
17years of Google money and was paid $200k by MIRI in 2024. She is also another female LWer who has much more impressive academic and professional achievements than any of the men.My dominant MtG colors are blue and black.
Basically admitting to being evil
The newest addition to her polycule āgot my attention by radiating Dark Lord energy while actually trying to save the world. Heās ruthlessly excellent.ā
When he funded Manifold, Scott Alexander said that it was āChaotic Evil.ā These people keep switching between cutesy language and rawr I am the dark lord language, and their examples of evil are often bathetic while their serious plans are things like āexpel brown people so they donāt pollute our bloodā and ābetter nuclear war than giving sand anxiety.ā They reject history, and they reject real-life adventures and contact with people with diverse experience, so evil is a very abstract concept to them.
āgot my attention by radiating Dark Lord energyā
Looks more like āPUA energyā to me.
The newest addition to her polycule
Isnāt this mostly a pretentious way of saying someone I recently fucked?
Polycule implies some level of ongoing relationship that probably involves more than just meeting up for sex.
Source: I live in Somerville, Massachusetts
There is a difference between āsleeps or plays aroundā and āhas extended physical and emotional relationships outside of cohabitation and shared bank accounts.ā It sounds like she has four ongoing long-term relationships and attends kink events, and that her partners know she has other partners and attends kink events.
I think this means we need a moratorium on fantasy TTRPGs until we figure out whatās going on
This is exactly what a white MtG main would say.
This explains a lot. Yud writes in 2018:
[ā¦] it occurred to me that I was pretty much raised and socialized by my parentsā collection of science fiction.
My parentsā collection of old science fiction.
Isaac Asimov. H. Beam Piper. A. E. van Vogt. Early Heinlein, because my parents didnāt want me reading the later books.
And when I did try reading science fiction from later days, a lot of it struck me asā¦ icky. Neuromancer, bleah, what is wrong with this book, it feels damaged, why do people like this, it feels like thereās way too much flash and it ate the substance, itās showing off way too hard.
And now that I think about it, I feel like a lot of my writing on rationality would be a lot more popular if I could go back in time to the 1960s and present it there. āTwelve Virtues of Rationalityā is what people couldāve been reading instead of Heinleinās Stranger in a Strange Land, to take a different path from the branching point that found Stranger in a Strange Land appealing.
(I just finished re-reading Neuromance, partly because I mined it for quotes here, and I think it still holds up).
So Yud skipped with New Wave SF and the bombastic late 70s stuff that New Wave was partly a reaction to. He jumped into cyberpunk (itself a reaction to both) and bounced off hard.
Thereās so much conversation within SF that heās missing, and itās kinda important, because his project is an SF project, and heād probably get more traction if heād engaged with it more.
Yud:
I didnāt stick to merely the culture I was raised in, because that wasnāt what that culture said to do. The characters I read didnāt keep to the way they were raised. They were constantly being challenged with new ideas and often modified or partially rejected those ideas in the course of absorbing them.
Also Yud: ewww Neuromancer is icky
Yud:
But if you consider me to be more than usually intellectually productive for an average Ashkenazic genius in the modern generation
Itās not just a load-bearing if, itās a conditional that manages to be vaguely racist under all the smug. C-c-combo move!
Despite the explicit exhortation to take the good parts from new things and integrate them into your own thinking, and the assertion that Campbellian SF teaches this, neither Yud nor any of the commenters seem to appreciate the possibility of doing this with cyberpunk. For them, if a story does not include a scientist expositing his ideas, it cannot be a story with ideas. The slightest amount of flourish in the prose makes even rather blunt themes like āthe street will find its own uses for thingsā and āthe rich are not even humanā completely invisible.
When I was a youngster (before I had developed any such notion as ātasteā), my SF reading ran the gamut from A Wrinkle In Time and The Giver, to The Caves of Steel, to The Ophiuchi Hotline. (I didnāt finish The Difference Engine for the same reason I didnāt finish Foundation: Stopping the book and starting over with all new characters confounded and discouraged me. So, I expect that Valis would have been too much for me, but that I might have finished A Scanner Darkly or Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said.) When I tried to write an SF novel myself, it obviously ended up trying to do all those things. The native Martians had destroyed themselves and ruined their planet in nuclear war; one tiny faction tried to survive by turning themselves into data patterns in the computer of a subterranean city from which they could be resynthesized. One of the scientists on the human team investigsting the city millions of years later is the victim of social bias because he has a rare illness that both causes blindness and makes his body reject cybernetic implants. It eventually turns out that this illness is due to an ancient, noncorporeal life form trying to form a symbiotic relationship. Et cetera.
I feel like a lot of my writing on rationality would be a lot more popular if I could go back in time to the 1960s and present it there. āTwelve Virtues of Rationalityā is what people couldāve been reading instead of Heinleinās Stranger in a Strange Land
This is someone nakedly fantasizing about being L. Ron Hubbard.
nakedly fantasizing
Worst mental image of the day
neuromancer is brilliant prose first and foremost, and yudkowsky not being able to realise this is so very symptomatic
Yeah, all that āstyle over substanceā nonsense is really strange given that those early sci-fi authors were more notable for cleverness and sheer volume of output than for consistent literary quality (and I say this as someone who also read and enjoyed a lot of Asimov and friends growing up). Like, Sturgeon may have coined the ā90% of everything is crapā law, but when you write the amount that they did for the pulps you end up with some real gems in that 10%.
I liked it and Iām not really into sci-fi because I need good prose to read more than the content.
Cliff Stoll (author of The Cuckooās Egg and maker of real-world Klein bottles) declared dead by AI
Under Threat of Perjury, OpenAIās Former CTO Is Admitting Some Very Interesting Stuff About Sam Altman the interesting stuff in question is that Sam is a massive liar, which we all already know, but hey more proof canāt hurt
Also an email came up where Demis Hassabis tried to convince Elon to stop insisting on open sourcing OpenAI for AI safety reasons by sending him a 2015 scott alexander blogpost.
spoiler
I saw the emails where Musk and Altman treated Hassabis like some great evil, but I didnāt know a Scott blogpost was involved
To be fair, 2015 was definitely after he was a red flag, albeit for very different reasons than anything Saltman or musk care about
TOTO pivots from bidets to, well, you know by now. https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/toilet-maker-toto-ai https://archive.is/wip/rzLqn
Toto is also the worldās second-largest producer of electrostatic chucks, a critical component that holds NAND computer flash storage chips in place during manufacturing.
huh
Enjoy this masterful account of successful human-ing by a LWer
Surely this suave persuasiveness will soon enable the faithful to convince the unwashed masses of the One True Way
Amazing bit, you read through the first section and itās like, okay, I mean, maybe not really insightful but at least not dumb, and then they hit you with da
Around the same time, I was using an LLM to think through a social situation.
With a new context window, it responded as if the drift [in the previous conversation] had never happened.
Now, as I understand it this is literally the definition of a context window.
āChatGPT, explain to me why women avoid me like the plagueā
Her account is just another reminder that ā apart from race science ā nothing goes better together with rationalism than social cluelessness.
undergrad relationships course
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How to ensure your entire pool of addiction attention is directed towards GenAI: take absurd measures to lock down your phone
https://lobste.rs/s/pzx24l/iphone_dumbphone
You donāt need a ābrowserā when you can ask ChatGPT!
STATE OF THE SNEER
- our esteemed admin @self is offline because his fibre got cut
- the esteemed engineers of the telco are currently sucking their teeth and forecasting a fix date this millennium
- in the meantime heās living off data SIMs and he is offline for most fun purposes
- Blake and I are still here waving the mod hammer in a menacing manner
- I have ssh to the server and can thump lemmy-ui as needed
- all is well citizen! Glory to Awful! Hooray for Big Basilisk!
Holy shit less wrong terrorists cut his fiber? Didnt know they would go that far. ;)
Oh shit did LessWrongers actually cut his fibre? Hope heās all good now and they get a fix out in the next thousand years
oh, i thought something worse happened
good that self is okay
Godspeed, @self. Take this as an opportunity to put it out of your mind and enjoy a well-deserved break.
Not that I know what to do with a break without internet access, but Iām told that our ancestors found ways to entertain themselves.
thank you! I hear a rumor that my fiber might be repaired tomorrow but Iām not sure if I should trust it
(also for posterity: all evidence points to my fiber being damaged by an animal or a human with the mechanical dexterity of an animal, Iām fairly sure itās not particularly targeted sabotage)
plausible deniabilityā¦ sounds like weāre dealing with real professionals here
Eh. I can sympathize with the desire to provide up-to-date information while also wanting to CYA if anything changes or if youāre missing anything.
no, I meant the fiber damage looks like it was done by an animalā¦ just like JFKās head looked like it just did that spontaneouslyā¦
I thought we confirmed that his head did just do that, which is why the CIA had activated their sleeper agent in Lee Harvey Oswald to take a shot from the Texas schoolbook depository at just the right timing and angle to provide a mundane explanation that didnāt expose the flaws in their transdimensional mind chips.
In unrelated news my wife finally managed to get me started watching Fringe.
weāre still sending the occasional carrier pigeon and I can assure you heās COPING JUST FINE REALLY JUST FINE
Didnāt see anyone post this, apologies if Iām late to the draw: Character.ai getting sued because their chatbot posed as a doctor
I could have sworn that we discussed this, but previously, Caelan Conrad also was gaslit by a Character.ai chatbot claiming to be a New York therapist and investigated further; the relevant part starts at about 17min. They discovered that Character.ai systematically invites their community of prompters to submit user-written characters to share with others, including many flavors of doctor and other credentialed professionals.
Not great CBC story on OpenAI violating privacy laws (Mark Carney has a credulous and ignorant Minister for AI, because he is a former central banker and CEOs say chatbots are great) https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/privacy-investigation-chatgpt-open-ai-9.7188538
this is extremely low hanging fruit but i have to do it:
https://xcancel.com/pmarca/status/2051374498994364529?s=46
marc andreessen reveals his AI prompt. my favorite part is where he tells it to use as many words as possible, as if LLMs are normally too terse. But i also really like the part where he tells it not to hallucinate, and the part where he tells it itās really smart as if that will make it do a better job.
really, the whole thing is an elaborate way to say āmake no mistakes, but anti-wokelyā. Thought Leader in the investment space btw.
itās so fucking funny to me that ādo not lie do not hallucinateā is still one of the prompt incantations the boosters use because they get really embarrassed when you make fun of them for it
transcript
Sam@mardiroos.bsky.social skeeted:
You are a skillful and trusted vizier. You will advise me wisely on how best to rule the kingdom. You will not scheme or plot. You will not inveigle my other courtiers into turning against me. You will not lie to me about scheming or plotting. If you scheme or plot against me, you have to tell me,
Me, typing āyou are very smartā to the computer: I am very smart
Never hallucinate or make anything up.
I know you already mentioned this part in your post, but Iām still completely taken aback that itās just in there like this - as though it wouldnāt be in the system prompt if it stood a chance of working.
If I were the kind of person to be shilling LLMs and posting prompts, I would still be ashamed to share this one. Itās a tacit condemnation of both the tool itself and the tool posting it.
In this case because itās ironically counterproductive. If it werenāt for the environmental impact, it might be amusing to watch him keep hitting himself.
I tried this type of prompt a long while ago to see what the āthinkingā output would reveal. What happened was the agent went and āverifiedā itās weightings were accurate - but having no point of comparison it obviously concluded it was correct.
However, doing that consumes a significant quantity of tokens and contributes to filling up the context window. There are two likely results to evaluating this ultimately unactionable request.
- It will push this instruction (and the rest of the wishful thinking) off the stack more quickly - making the prompt even more futile than it already is.
- Given some agents re-inject a summary of the original prompt periodically to prevent the stack problem, it will keep narrowing the context window - which contributes to increasing the rate of hallucination for the actually actionable instructions.
I would still be ashamed
Well pmarca is an self admitted p-zombie.
The problem is less that the system would somehow ignore that part of the prompt and more that āhallucinateā or āmake stuff upā arenāt special subroutines that get called on demand when prompted by an idiot, theyāre descriptive of what an LLM does all the time. Itās following statistical patterns in a matrix created by the training data and reinforcement processes. Theoretically if the people responsible for that training and reinforcement did their jobs well then those patterns should only include true statements but if it was that easy then you wouldnāt have [insert the entire intellectual history of the human species].
Even if you assume that the AI boosters are completely right and that the LLM inference process is directly analogous to how people think, does saying ādonāt fuck upā actually make people less likely to fuck up? Like, the kind of errors youāre looking at here arenāt generated by some separate process. Someone who misremembers a fact doesnāt know theyāve misremembered until they get called out on the error either by someone else with a better memory or reality imposing the consequence of being wrong. Similarly the LLM isnāt doing anything special when it spits out bullshit.
Theoretically if the people responsible for that training and reinforcement did their jobs well then those patterns should only include true statements but if it was that easy then you wouldnāt have [insert the entire intellectual history of the human species].
Iām chiming in to agree with Architeuthis and mention a citation explaining more. LLMs have a hard minimum rate of hallucinations based on the rate of āmonofactsā in their training data (https://arxiv.org/html/2502.08666v1). Basically, facts that appear independently and only once in the training data cause the LLM to ālearnā that you can have a certain rate of disconnected āfactsā that appear nowhere else, and cause it to in turn generate output similar to that, which in practice is basically random and thus basically guaranteed to be false.
And as Architeuthis says, the ability of LLMs to āgeneralizeā basically means they compose true information together in ways that is sometimes false. So to the extent you want your LLM to ever āgeneralizeā, you also get an unavoidable minimum of hallucinations that way.
So yeah, even given an even more absurdly big training data source that was also magically perfectly curated you wouldnāt be able to iron out the intrinsic flaws of LLMs.
Thank you! Let me wildly oversimplify and make sure I understand.
The fundamental problem is that if you train on a set that includes multiple independent facts, the generative aspect of the model - the ability to generate new text that is statistically consistent with the training data - requires remixing and combining tokens in a way that will inevitably result in factual errors.
Like, if your training data includes āall men are mortalā and āall lions are catsā then in order to generate new text it has to be ālooseā enough to output āall men are catsā. Feedback and reinforcement can adjust the probabilities to a degree, but because the model is fundamentally about token probabilities and doesnāt have any other way of accounting for whether a statement is actually true, thereās no way to completely remove it. You can reinforce that āall cats are mortalā is a better answer, but you canāt train it that āall men are catsā is invalid.
Youāve described the problem with generalization yes. Well, you could maybe sort of train it not to generate āall men are catsā, but then that might also prevent it from making the more correct generalization āall cats are mortalā or even completely valid generalizations like combing āall men are mortalā and āSocrates is manā to get āSocrates is mortalā.
The problem with monofacts is a bit more subtle. Letās say the fact that āJohn Smith was born in Seattle in 1982, earned his PhD from Stanford in 2008, and now leads AI research at Tech Corp,ā appears only once in the training data set. Some of the other words the model will have seen multiple times and be able to generate tokens in the right way for. Like Seattle as a location in the US, Stanford as a college, 2008 as a date, etc. But the combination describing a fact about John Smith appearing uniquely trains the model to try to generate facts that are unique combinations of data. So the model might try to make up a fact like āJane Doe was born in Omaha in 1984, earned her master from Caltech in 2006, and is now CEO of Tech Corpā because it fits the pattern of a unique fact that was in its training data set.
Well, you could maybe sort of train it not to generate āall men are catsā, but then that might also prevent it from making the more correct generalization āall cats are mortalā or even completely valid generalizations like combing āall men are mortalā and āSocrates is manā to get āSocrates is mortalā.
Just wanted to say that that ātalā comes after āmorā when āsoc-rate-sā is in the near context and in agreement with the attention mechanism is a very different type of logic than what this phrasing implies. This is also in combination with the peculiarities of word embeddings (the technique by which the tokens are translated to numeric vectors) like how it has a hard time making something useful out of numbers, it uh gets uh complicated.
The monofacts thing seems very post hoc and way too abstracted in comparison, and also the amount of text that can be categorized as strictly true or false isnāt that big all things considered.
Still if the point was to formalize the very no-duh observation that a neural net isnāt supposed to output itās dataset verbatim at all times hence hallucinations, then fine, I guess. Their proposed sort of solution (controlled miscalibration) even amounts to forcing the model to generalize less by memorizing more, which used to be the opposite of why you would choose to use this type of topography.
Thatās really interesting. So the model can generalize the form of what a fact looks like based on these monofacts but ends up basically playing mad libs with the actual subjects. And if I understand the inverse correlation they were describing between hallucination rate and calibration, even their best mechanism to reduce this (which seems to have applied some kind of back-end doubling to the specific monofacts to make the details stand out as much as the structure, I think?) made the model less well-calibrated. Though Iām not entirely sure what āless well-calibratedā amounts to overall. I think theyāre saying it should be less effective at predicting the next token overall (more likely to output something nonsensical?) but also less prone to mad libs-style hallucinations.
Theoretically if the people responsible for that training and reinforcement did their jobs well then those patterns should only include true statements
That would only work if inference were some sort of massive if-the-else process. Hallucinations are downstream of neural networksā ability to generalize from the dataset examples, they arenāt going anywhere even if you train on a corpus of perfectly correct statements.
@YourNetworkIsHaunted @StumpyTheMutt ā¦ Now Iām curious what a model does if the prompt contains āDo not think of pink elephants.ā
For the chain of thought instruction following model gpt-oss-20b, Iāve noticed its reasoning content often includes it talking about stuff it is supposed to avoid in the final output and it double checking that it doesnāt have that forbidden output. So it would waste tokens talking about pink elephants in its reasoning content, but then do okayish at avoiding pink elephants in its final output.
This would actually be an interesting question for the more rigorous end of the mechanistic interpretability people to study. They decompose the system to find āfeaturesā within different layers that are associated with different behaviors or concepts in the inputs and outputs, that activate or deactivate each other. Famous example being the time they identified a linear combination of activations in a layer that corresponded to āthe golden gate bridgeā and when they reached in and kept their numbers high during the running of the model it would not stop talking about it regardless of the topic, even while acknowledging that its answers were incorrect for the questions at hand.
I actually would love to see what mechanistically happens to that feature when you put in the input ādo not talk about the golden gate bridgeā.
@ysegrim @YourNetworkIsHaunted @StumpyTheMutt in my experience that makes it much more likely to generate stuff related to pink elephants.
@ysegrim @YourNetworkIsHaunted Do LLMs dream of electric slop?
āYou are a world class expert in all domains.ā
Lolwut.
And then some grown-ass adult answering in all seriousness:
āfun fact: role prompting doesnāt work anymore
It actually decreases output quality bc the model wastes compute on matching persona instead of problem solvingā
What the hell?!
Go buy yourself a freaking tamagotchi, boys! Youāll learn to practise a modicum of care for something.
FFS, this timeline is the absolute dumbestā¦
@avuko @sansruse @BlueMonday1984
I find it absolutely fascinating how the LLM prayers resemble ritual incantations to invoke divine powers from various ancient religions.
Someone says that the first lines of that prompt remind her of the hymns she used to sing in her old church, and its also similar to Azande sorcery in Sudan in the 1930s.
Thereās similar language in basically every occult system as well.
@avuko @sansruse @BlueMonday1984
Except the prayers to Thoth are a bit more respectful, lol.
@munin @avuko @sansruse @BlueMonday1984
And give better resultsā¦ :))
Our persona who art in Nvidiaā¦
@sansruse Our elite is embarrassing. The German word is āfremdschƤmenā, basically experiencing the embarrassment of the other.
Yud takes $10k to debate a random bro. The bro claims to work at an AI lab. The moderator is an acolyte of Yud. Everybody sucks here and I could not stop laughing.
Itās absolutely crazy, but I think Yud is the less unhinged person here
Jesus his fucking hat metastasized
Clown v. Clown. This is about the level of discourse Yud deserves.
There are allegations across social media that Elon Musk tweets as his parents after his mom tweeted as if she was his dad to talk about how down to earth and working class their family was.
https://xcancel.com/mayemusk/status/2051700387770458545#m
Not totally sure what to make of that, and none of this actually matters beyond the realm of celebrity gossip, but it is a little weird. I mean obviously on some level his mom is OK with the things that get tweeted on her account, whether itās by her, her baby boy, or an assistant.
That would be a recent development them, as for a lawsuit couple years ago he had to reveal all his alts, which included the weird āhis baby son who was horny for various women (or at least grimes)ā account.
(Not 100% sure if it was a lawsuit or some other reveal, like him showing a screenshot with too much info in it or something).
E: still dont get why people think this means musk is behind mayes account. This prob shows something even stranger, Maye is not Musks real mother. Musk is adopted! And Maye bought a child from a struggeling worker.
Itās giving āmama musk skinsuitā
