Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.
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Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutānāpaste it into its own post ā thereās no quota for posting and the bar really isnāt that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned so many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
in which our dearest friend DHH has become an unpaid shill for the novel Camp of the Saints
https://xcancel.com/dhh/status/2046982319353778391
nevertheless, the finest minds at hackernews and elsewhere have assured me that heās just a normal, sensible center right kind of guy! nothing untoward going on here, i advise every boutique computer manufacturer known to man to financially support him and his hyprland reskin wankfest.
FTX investor the Ontario Teachersā Pension Plan is a major investor in SpaceX. This seems to be part of the Teachersā Innovation Platform from April 2019. Mr. Kipling said it best:
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Foolās bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire.Meanwhile the Canadian stock market is up 40% in the past 1 year.
STOP FINDING THINGS
- WEB PAGES WERE NOT MEANT TO BE FOUND
- YEARS OF SEARCHING yet NO REAL-WORLD USE FOUND for PAGES of SEO-OPTIMISED AI SLOP
- Wanted to find things anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that: it was called WIKIPEDIA āRANDOM PAGEā
- āYes please give me ONE HUNDRED AND TEN MILLION of my search. Please give me TEN ADS and A PARAGRAPH OF SLOP FIRSTā - Statements dreamed up by the utterly Deranged
LOOK at what Search engines have been demanding your Respect for all this time, with all the ad views we gave them
(This is REAL Search results, given by REAL search engines)
- āNone of Africaās 54 recognized countries start with the letter āKā.ā
- āAdd about 1/8 cup of non-toxic glue to the sauceā
- āUnderstood. No more templatesājust direct answers, hyper-focused on exactly what you need.ā
āHello Something went wrong and an AI response wasnāt generatedā
They have played us for absolute fools
Spring is in the air, and someone presenting themselves as interested in fucking rationalist males has authored a piece about how said men can dress a bit better and maybe, just maybe, get laid:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vHtouRBd8JNm2tNLH/basic-principles-for-dressing-better
as usual, the real comedy is in the comments
- I dress like a schlub specifically to avoid advertising my sexual availability - https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vHtouRBd8JNm2tNLH/basic-principles-for-dressing-better?commentId=RLdXtcStz9wdAvb4d
- āThe item that I currently wear that expresses the most about me is my Oura ring followed by barefoot shoes.ā - strangely not the same as the commenter above
- āWhen it comes to slim fit jeans I have the impression that fashion changed. Five years ago they were seen as great and now they donāt? Is that accurate?ā
- āOverall, I think it makes the most sense to go to the pareto frontier here. You can spend 300-400 total getting some nice looking earth tone button-ups, well-fitting pants that arenāt blue jeans, trim your beard, get regular haircuts from an actual salon, shower daily, and make sure you smell decent.ā
- ā[ā¦] when I look at the examples, what occurs to me is that dressing like the example would cause me to stick out and make it obvious to others I am making a special effort, and Iād rather not do that.ā
- "I was hoping for more fashion theory; the why. "
- āIt is fascinating to receive such communiquĆ©s of strange news from another star. I would not know, without your saying so, that the set of 10 pictures are intended to be good examples and not bad examples.ā
- ā[ā¦] it is far more important that whatever my spouse wears be a pleasant texture to put my face on, most buttondown material fails this criterion but linen passesā - actually this is just cute
āIt is fascinating to receive such communiquĆ©s of strange news from another star. I would not know, without your saying so, that the set of 10 pictures are intended to be good examples and not bad examples.ā
To be fair most of said outfits read as ārich arseholeā to me, which I do not find attractive. Yellow shirt guy I would suspect to be a white supremacist.
As far as menās fashion goes, Iāve seen much worse, though the bits I do like here feel fairly gay-coded to me so uh whatever. (I suspect those are the very same bits our Lesswrong Commenter is disapproving of.)
TO BE CLEAR I am not advocating for nerd fashion Iām just working class
You know, āmost of said outfitsā was too harsh. Iām gonna rate the outfits now, I love rating outfits!!!
2, 3 and 10 look like men you should run away from.
6 looks like heās cosplaying as 60s italian movie riviera pinterest europe cinecitta, which I instinctively distrust. And I donāt care what anyone says, I will simply not abide the sockless loafer.
4, whatever. I do not want to talk him. We clearly have nothing in common.
8 is awesome. Looks like an actual cool guy, lovely outfit, love the pose. Heās what 6 wants to be.
7 is pretty cool too. Have to dock points for the very modelly pose, sadly, but still, pretty sick fit.
5 I donāt really like but heās a more confidently realised version of 6 so good for him. Not tryhard or heterosexual-looking enough for me to hate. Keep it up.
9 I am sure I would absolutely love if I saw it on someone who didnāt look like they were fresh out the male model factory. Bonus points for uncreased trousers.
And finally 1 is obviously awesome but like. You cannot use this as an outfit recommendation. Thatās just irresponsible. First the guy is buff as fuck and that is a necessary part of the outfit. Itās all about that mad silhouette. Second, I mean. This is pretty eccentric right. If you saw everyone dressing like this it would just be dumb. You cannot expect those poor lesswrongs to understand this.
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serial killerWell now youāve made me look at the image too long, too.
#1ās belt probably wraps twice around that waistline, Iād say photoshop/AI but thereās that 1/3 of the shirt hanging off to the right with nothing to fill it so yeah, and also Phil Davis1 exists.
#10 is aspiring to be the jock from scooby doo and I donāt think that jacket can actually close, similarly to #1 the whole thing probably only works for very specific poses and angles.
#6 looks like he runs a leopard print handbag delivery service, #4 is horny youth pastor in his auntās kitchen, 7-9 look comfy but contrived, #5 really wants you to know heās wearing a possibly expensive wife beater under that shirt and 2 & 3 are all sorts of dodgy, esp. #3 who looks like a tourist trap gift shop keeper whose face is noticeably untanned because he has to hide it a lot for undisclosed reasons.
#2 mostly has a raging case of resting netflix true crime serial killer face syndrome.
I get that the point probably was to only show the broad strokes of how it should look if youāre making an effort, but whatever.
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3 and 10 look like the overconfident, amateurish poser villains whom Dr. Lecter kills by the end of the episode.
You can lead a horse to water but you canāt prevent it from Bayesing out.
If, like some of my male housemates you object on principle to the concept of a bag
then you need to watch Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade again. From there, you can graduate to the Tom Holland āUmbrellaā video, which is clinically proven to make cis het women ovulate.
And also, like, laptop bags exist? They come in basic black. You can use them for books, emergency chocolate, manila envelopes stuffed with studentsā homework that you need to gradeā¦ I bought one at a camping-goods store, and itās lasted about 20 years.
SpaceX has chosen a
sacrificialdisposablenaivecrypto billionaire to captain a mars fly-by someday: https://gizmodo.com/spacex-taps-crypto-billionaire-to-lead-first-crewed-mission-to-mars-2000762451The mission is expected to take two years and hereās what he has to say about that:
I can stare at the map view on airplanes all the way from takeoff to landing, so I think I will enjoy the trip.
I can stare at the map view on airplanes all the way from takeoff to landing, so I think I will enjoy the trip.
Well they do tend to think stuff scales forever.
canāt wait for the inevitable livestreamed freakout/cannibalism scene
He already pulled the same con on a Japanese billionaire in 2018, just talked about flying around the moon not landing on Mars (Wikipedia: dearMoon)
oh boohoo Beff let me play a sad song for you on the worldās smallest violin
As always with these people, note that the replies make frequent reference to āloopholesā and people āexploiting the systemā without ever being specific about what those loopholes are.
I donāt know Guillaume Verdon / Beff Jezos but Forbesā profile begins:
Andreessen Horowitz cofounder Marc Andreessen says @BasedBeffJezos is a āpatron saint of techno-optimism.ā Garry Tan, who cofounded the venture firm Initialized Capital before becoming CEO of Y Combinator, calls him ābrother.ā Sam Altman, who founded OpenAI ā the company that finally mainstreamed artificial intelligence ā has jokingly sparred with him on Twitter. Elon Musk says his memes are āš„š„š„.ā
He has an entry on the Effective Accelerationism wiki https://www.eaccwiki.com/index.php?title=Beff_Jezos
I donāt know Guillaume Verdon / Beff Jezos
He is supposed to be the original instigator and public face of so-called e/acc or effective accelarationism, i.e. the rationalist (or maybe rationalist inspired idk) spin-off of people who feel whinging about alignment isnāt necessary and that itās in fact awesome when new technology is killing people and ruining the environment because it means weāre getting to the singularity faster, and also openly rooting for fascism on main is based now.
His magic heatless AI processor startup feels like a grift to fleece investors and as far as I know has only ever produced an obviously staged video of sciency looking individuals fawning over a 3d printed wire mesh while touring what looks like a chip fab with an extremely lax contamination protocol.
The number of bitter fascist weirdos kicking Beff (of all people) while heās down sure is something.
No honor among thieves i reckon.
Isnt part of the fasc idea space the whole idea that the strong are worthy and would be rewarded and rise to the top the world just got away of all the rules pushing the unworthy? Clearly this means that as he is in trouble he is unworthy himself and now a target.
Esp as you can get a social boost by stepping on him on your way up.
The loneliest ideology.
š¶ sing us a song youāre the nano man š¶
xheet is deleted, was is Beff Jezoz who wrote that? background? though he was as American as
apple piethe Ku Klux KlanForbes says he is Quebecois with a PhD from UWaterloo. That does not stop him tweeting about āforeignersā (= foreign to the USA, but not including him obviously).
Iām sure heāll enjoy being deported back to la RĆ©publique populaire dĆ©mocratique de Quebec and spending a short time in the reeducations camps before being set to work installing solar panels
URL Typo - fixed it
Holy Empire of AI - Predictive History
Once you have the AI state, you now have the technocracy and the world will be perfect.
All right? Does it make sense you guys? What heās saying here? This is an amazing paragraph written 40, 50 years ago.
So, Iām not saying heās a Freemason. Iām not saying heās part of a society, but, he sure thinks like a Freemason.
Zbigniew Brzezinski has been dead for nearly a decade, but sure, letās play the hits. plus AI! /s
Jiang hadnāt popped up in my feed in a while, guess heās still at it. At least heās reading Karen Hao, maybe some viewers follow his cites. He really should just write a Dan Brown novel or something, heās obviously capable enough at lore dumping.
Canāt find the exact post rn but I remember an AI yt channel (im 90% sure it was the AISpecies guy) using this as proof that ASI is imminent, and conveniently left out the part at the end where they say this does not indicate that AI is now a general-purpose alignment scientist (and also left out the link to the sources in numerous posts iirc so no one could fact check him easily)
The heartwarming story of the PHI sponge helping the professional racist also hate fat people.
Then again, there is a lot of synergy between the inevitable antifatness and his usual project of hating black people.
So a mid-sized software company called Epic is chatting with Cremieux / Jordan Lasker on twitter?
If your employer is using their software, that might be something to email and ask for a meeting about.
All hospital systems Iāve used use Epicās software for medical charting which is why Iām baffled
Epic has no competition which is why it can do whatever it wants, like make garbage software and talk to garbage people.
Also how would anybody be left behind? Lile say we are wrong an the AI stuff is real vital etc etc bla bla bla. Them we just need to learn a new tool.
Nobody died because they didnt want to learn how to use a debugger for several years and then finally reversed their stance.
I guess the idea is that the tech economy moves fast and if we donāt get to grips with AI weāll be left in the dust, broke and unemployed. Somehow this is proof that AI is good instead of proof the economy is bad (if people are impoverished in a whim). Itās just the same self-satisfied fantasy as always.
Basically,
joke is on us, Heavenās Gate picked the right time to exit.
The myth that talking about bubbles prevents bubbles for when someone starts saying some āoh but everyone says AI is a bubble which must mean its notā
Owenomics is also worried about changing the rules to add SpaceX and OpenAI to NASDAQ and the S&P500 while only a tiny fraction of their shares are available for trading. "Bad idea. If float is too low, the market cap is meaningless and should not be relied upon for any purpose. "
Back in January he said that the US stock market is not in a bubble until Robert Shillerās āCAPE rises to 80 (similar to Japanās CAPE in 1989).ā The CAPE (a ratio of price to the average earning for the past ten years) of the S&P500 is around 40, similar to the US in January 2000.
He does not mention new era thinking (chapters 5 and 6 of Shillerās Irrational Exuberance).
This website is intended for the use of the wholesale clients only. I declare that I am a wholesale client as defined in the Corporations Act 2001. I declare that I will not provide any information on this website to a retail investor.
Jokes on them I read the page without clicking the agree button here and without being a wholesale client!
the new flipper one will have a ālocal llmā slopbot, because of course it fucking will. also suspect theyāve used an llm for the blog post because of the emoji list. and the illustrations are also giving me weird vibes.
I donāt think itās actually going to be doing a lot of LLMing. It has a coprocessor for inference type stuff, but only 8GB of RAM on the SOC. So I assume they just stuck this in for marketing.
several other people have commented on the tone, and I believe itās just because itās massaged to be more marketing-ly
same with the local LLM crap, itās to appeal to investors
I have seen nerds be mad at them for using Discord and GitHub too, some people are really hard to please
doubt this will ever see the light of day anyway
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A LWer of the female persuasion makes the entirely reasonable point that most screw-top openings are probably constructed by looking at median male grip strength, not female. But the real fun is in the comments, where people who can post comments on a blog are seemingly unfamiliar with opening jam jars.
I use grip gloves for opening jars and love them so much. Same ideas as plastic jar grips, but even easier. I find I usually have enough strength but that my skin is too sensitive to fully apply it without grip gloves.
Maybe women just arenāt that into designing programming languages?
James Damore flashbacks ohno
depressing datapoint, this comment was downvoted to the point where it was auto-collapsed yesterday, today itās āonlyā on -2
But anyways - why is there a vacuum in the jar? To preserve the jam? Isnāt jam a preserve? Like, I thought the whole raison dāetre of jam was as a way to make fruit keep, unrefrigerated, through the winter? Why must we preserve the preserve? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
what is going on with these people iām so annoyed iām about to cry
Why do so many containers require women asking a man for help in order to open them? (Or carrying around an opening tool or living in a kitchen?)
how often do you open jam jars outside the kitchen?? itās not that hard! you donāt actually have to force them open through grip strength like an idiot man!!
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The flat end of a fork or spoon is usually enough to pop the vacuum. Which seems to be the issue in my exp.
Not that using an opening tool is bad. We are tool users for a reason.
why is there a vacuum in the jar? To preserve the jam? Isnāt jam a preserve? Like, I thought the whole raison dāetre of jam was as a way to make fruit keep, unrefrigerated, through the winter? Why must we preserve the preserve? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Iā¦basic common sense alone would tell you that something with a lot of fruit and a lot of sugar in it might spoil if left open outside of a fridge. Why do these people act like theyāve never seen a banana before
why understand biochemistry, if youāre part of the cognitive elite who can reconstruct it from first principles should it become necessary
Also, real talk: I got a jar opener when my wife moved in and it is a goddamn revelation how much easier that things makes life. Absolutely recommended purchase. You want to have a sandwich but you closed the jar before you came down with a cold? No worries. You stick the yeast towards the back of the fridge because you havenāt made your own bread since you got the cold and that was fuck long ago? Not a problem. You have a third reason why this fucking jar is stickier than you would normally have the capacity to handle (and trust me, you will)? Not anymore you donāt.
But anyways - why is there a vacuum in the jar? To preserve the jam? Isnāt jam a preserve? Like, I thought the whole raison dāetre of jam was as a way to make fruit keep, unrefrigerated, through the winter? Why must we preserve the preserve? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
this is āfucking magnets, how do they workā translated to rationalist, except that explaining magnets involves quantum mechanics and explaining jam jars involves high school physics (saturated vapor pressure vs temperature. that might be before high school). i also like how one linked explanation sits near two pieces of slop and is wrong
The comments section really is incredible, the level of ignorance about basic kitchen things, which since itās womanly knowledge instead of dyson spheres they seem to be completely incurious about ā¦
their practical skills are weak, and they wonāt survive the winter (because they donāt know how to make jam)
but frame the same physics in terms of what makes steam turbine spin, and theyāll pretend to get it but wonāt apply it anywhere else. the longer you look the worse it gets. itās like they have never watched how itās made as kids
High-status rats have minions to order their lunches, pick up their shopping, and inflate their bike tires and yell at them if they make mistakes https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BGLu3iCGjjcSaeeBG/related-discussion-from-thomas-kwa-s-miri-research
From the post linked therein:
Thereās this thing Nate and Eliezer do where they proclaim some extremely nonobvious take about alignment, say it in the same tone they would use to declare that grass is green, and donāt really explain it.
Gambling? In this establishment?!
Nate thinks in a different ontology from everyone, and often communicates using weird analogies
This feels like a misuse of the word ontology, but what do I know?
when Nate thinks you donāt understand something or have a mistaken approach, he gets visibly distressed and sad. I think this conditioned us to express less disagreement with him. I have a bunch of disagreements from his world model, and could probably be convinced to his position on like 1/3 of them, but Iām too afraid to bring them all up and if I did heād probably stop talking to me out of despair anyway.
Wow, thatās a bad research supervisor.
The structure where we would talk to Nate 4h/day for one out of every ~6 weeks was pretty bad for feedback loops. A short meeting every week would have been better, but Nate said this would be more costly for him.
Wow, thatās a bad research supervisor.
(Every functional research group Iāve been part of has had weekly staff meetings. Even the undergrads were encouraged to participate and got at least that much talking time with the professor.)
In my frustration at the lack of concrete problems I asked Nate what research he would approve of outside of the main direction. We thought of two ideas [ā¦] I worked on these on and off for a few months without much progress, then went back to Nate to ask for advice. Nate clarified that he was not actually very excited about these directions himself, and it was more like āI donāt see the relevance here, but if you feel excited by these, I could see this not being totally uselessā.
Wow, thatās a bad research supervisor.
Wow, thatās a bad research supervisor.
Yeah that jumped out at me. Esp with the reasoning it is costly for him. Extremely disfunctional hierarchy
My wild guess is that if you put a few lesswrongen into a room and told them to invent a āresearch instituteā, theyād write a book of procedure for the sake of having a lot of words about procedure, without any actual sense of how to allocate responsibilites properly.
This feels like a misuse of the word ontology, but what do I know?
They keep doing it and it drives me mad!! I finally understood that they got the word from computer shit and not philosophy. Isnāt it just amazing? Here we thought they were vaguely aware of established philosophical concepts for a second!
oh my god lmao. finally we understand how that happened
Nate Soares actually has some work experience at big organizations (NIST, DND, Google, Microsoft) but he clearly is not ready to run a research group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Soares He let the HTTPS certificate for his personal site expire.
What The Shit
Iāve been dating Nate for two years (tho wanna clarify we are not doing marriage-kids and weāre both actively looking for more serious other partners).
Nate is profoundly wonderful in many ways, like often surprises me in new ways of wonderfulness, and has raised my standards in partners. Heās deeply caring, attentive, competent, hilarious, and of course brilliant.
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Iirc heās explicitly said he doesnāt respect my thinking (edit: he clarifies he respects it in some areas but not others)
The way these people are larping conflict resolution is so exhausting aaaaaaa please can you just do normal abuse
From elsewhere in the comments:
ā¦ I am constantly aware that having an angry outburst is massively socially unacceptable, to the point where if I let such things happen regularly I would lose my job / my standing in the community / all my friends / everyone close to me. This creates an extremely strong incentive for me to self-regulate at least my outward reactions, even when itās really hard. But because Nate is so high-status, he is allowed to make such outbursts without being faced with losing his job, his standing in the community, or his friends. This means he is insufficiently incentivized to self-regulate, and thus has been unable to learn.
High-status? Why?!! Jesus H. Fuck, I hope that if anyone ever gives me a get-out-of-social-consequences-free card, itās for a better reason than my blogging.
D: Not only does this community have a missing stair, but theyāre all explaining to each other how to avoid the missing stair, and the missing stair is in the chat replying to comments?!
So much debate about whether his employer was diligent enough at tyre-pumping when the obvious solution is āpump your own tyres yourself, you buffoonā
Oh and Iām curious now, but canāt be bothered to look it up myself in this slop era,
Has anyone done a menās vs womenās grip strength study controlling for hand size, height, etc? Iād love to know what the results would be.
