As a leftist, I dislike this sentiment. We should not normalize isolating folks on the far right.
Of course, do what you want with your friend groups. Kick someone out if you don’t like hanging with them. But if you can swing it, there are a lot of cases where it can be really good thing to expose conservative folks to leftist worldviews in a friendly setting.
I feel including conservative folks has a much more direct and convincing theory of change than excluding them does.
(Again, it is cool if you don’t want to do that.)
This is the way to go.
If they don’t have left wing friends they would only have right wing friends, and surely they won’t ever change their mind in that environment.
To be real that attitude is a little abusive, “be like I want or I left you!” kind of deal. Preying on vulnerable people that would change themselves just out of fear of being alone. I don’t want that. I want convince people of my views because they see how good they are, not because I threatened them.
I agree with the sentiment and have practiced this for years – it was pounded into me during my education-- but have not found any balance in it. The evils stay evil and I feel like they thrive on my making room for them. Its very odd that some otherwise sane and caring people can have these parts of their personalities that are completely distinct from the rest of how they think, and it doesn’t make any sense to me personally. Usually the biggest hurdle is around Israel support. So we stay friends, but I think they are evil shits and they think I’m a peacenik moron who is naive out of touch with the real world (I think).
I’m not certain, but I think at its core is racism and lack of respect for others, while wishing them well at the same time. So they want to tell themselves they are good people, but hate on certain ethnic groups. Kind of a “I’m going to shoot you in the head but I feel bad about it” sort of thing. Ironically they dont know a single thing about islam, and universally dont know any muslims.
They tend to be middle class too-- truly middle, and well above average intelligence, mostly with career success. They dont worry about money, really ever. Victims of propoganda? I still dont know.
Kind of a “I’m going to shoot you in the head but I feel bad about it” sort of thing.
Not sure if you were making a reference, but one of Israel’s most distinctive propaganda tactics is literally called Shooting And Crying. Basically, get your former IDF soldiers to act all sad about the atrocities they had to commit, so the public focus stays on sympathy instead of the war crimes and genocides they committed. Nobody feels good about kicking a crying person while they’re down, so it’s a way to shunt blame and avoid being held accountable for your own actions.
Basically, divert the blame onto the shadowy and faceless “they”. They ordered me to do bad things. They put me in situations where I was forced to make impossible choices. They forced me to struggle to survive. They are the reason I had to do all of those awful things. Because “they” is a faceless amorphous entity that can’t be held accountable and can’t defend itself against allegations. Meaning “they” is easy to shift blame onto as long as I remain a sympathetic victim in the public’s mind. If I keep crying, I never actually have to apologize for my war crimes, because they should be the ones apologizing instead.
Wasnt aware of that. Horrifying but right on brand for them.
I’ve been doing a little bit of this with someone I work with. The thing that really got her attention was me pointing out I can’t make a gallon of gas by myself, buy I can make a kilowatt of electricity with stuff I have lying around my house/yard. And that equipment will make me more kilowatts, for free.
The thing that really got her attention was me pointing out I can’t make a gallon of gas by myself, buy I can make a kilowatt of electricity with stuff I have lying around my house/yard.
Yeah, the Technology Connections video on solar panels vs ethanol production (growing corn to turn into ethanol to add to gasoline) was honestly a great tool for convincing people who simply never bothered to think critically about it. I don’t even need to get them to watch the video, I simply paraphrase some of the arguments he makes.
Alec is a treasure. I have some moderately terrifiying switches and I need to figure out a way to send them to him, even if he didn’t do a video he would probably like them.
I can’t make a gallon of gas myself
Come to my house and watch me compress algae and phytoplankton and turn it into fossil fuels over millions of years.
If you are voting to take away my basic rights and safety we can’t be friends. That includes 100% of Trump voters, 90% of Republicans and about 30% of Democrats. If you include less basic rights that unfortunately includes another 30-60% of Democrats or so but hierarchy of needs and all that.
Yeah, especially on my husband’s side, we’ve had to cut contact with some extended family. I’m trans, and we’re not even out about my past to these family members on his side of the family. I met my husband after transition. They’re Southern Baptist deep south folk, and while they’re quite friendly when we meet them, they also don’t know about my trans status.
My natural inclination is to not rock the boat in such matters. I didn’t suggest we cut off contact; I didn’t want to be responsible for cutting my husband off from his extended family. I was willing to overlook it to maintain the peace, especially as we see them very infrequently.
But then my husband told me his perspective, and it chilled me to my bones. There was no question on his part. When discussing it, he simply said:
“They voted to kill my wife.”
I’ve done this to even my close family members.
I’m willing to cut very special people in my immediate family a break if they renounce Trump, but they refuse to do that.
Their hill to die on is raping kids. They are, of course, devout Christians that constantly talk about God and love.
These people are hopelessly lost and stupid.
Honestly I’ll cut them out and won’t even explain why. I haven’t spoken to my extremely racist cousin in years. Every now and then he tries to contact me, but I don’t say anything. There’s a small part of me that wants to believe he could change, but then I remember he named his doberman the n word and yelled at it constantly.
he named his doberman the n word and yelled at it constantly
What the flying fuck?
Some people really have shit for brains.
Knowing this guy my whole life he was like cartoonishly racist. Like anything I describe he did will get people saying I’m making it up or exaggerating.
My friends group removed any Trump voters in our orbit, I removed all Trump voters from my social media, and I don’t speak to family members that voted for him anymore.
The result? A lot less stupid in my life.
As a leftist, I’m on board with this sentiment. But as an ex-right-winger, I know this would exclude me from my current community. We should allow space for growth and reconciliation, but if you still support Trump and the Republicans at this point, fuck you.
I agree, but if you voted for him the last election it becomes harder for me. The first one, ya you wanted to stick it to status quo. I get it, not support it. Hillary did suck. The second time it is hard but at least Biden one. But after all the shit, lies, rape, epstein, COVID, fraud, impeachments, obvious corruption…and still support him. That’s tough. It is like a Nazi in 1946. Redemption at that point will be hard earned only.
We should allow space for growth and reconciliation
Growth. Something anyone that’s still a Trump supporter, or in my opinion still were during the 2024 election, are incapable of. He was already a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist during the 2024 election. Anyone that voted for him in that election is a trashcan garbage piece of trash.
Reconciliation. Something anyone still supporting him is in no way interested in.
You can’t reach people that don’t want to be reached. And at this point they don’t deserve the effort.
I don’t disagree.
Yup.
I forget where I learned this, but about 30% of Germans supported hitler until his cold blooded killing of hitler.
There are people who cannot be reached, and should be shunned by society.
Those numbers were still that high even well into the 1950s. Even after Germany had been invaded, conquered, and literally divided in two, even after millions of German deaths. A good portion of the German population never gave up on Hitler.
Same with “I don’t vote” centrists who complain about Trans people in sports but don’t say a peep about ICE, DOGE, and everything else. They can go right to hell.
Anyone that’s been a centrist over the last decade is cataclysmically stupid.
Riding the fence through what we’ve been experiencing is a coward braindead move.
A reminder that 2/3rds of eligible voters in America voted for Trump. 1/3rd voted for him, 1/3rds didn’t vote.
Over 60% of eligible voters were 100% okay with Trump winning.
Yup.
Trump can die and it’ll be a great, great day.
Not gonna change anything. Americans are REAL, REAL stupid and REAL, REAL bigoted. That’s not changing when he’s dead. Volume might turn down a bit, but the stupid train is still on the stupid tracks going to Stupidville.
Idk, Ive often thought jail, homelessness, & work were big contributed to that 1/3 number that gets thrown around
Over 82 million Americans were either homeless, in jail, or working for weeks between early voting opened and election day?
That’s a little difficult to believe. You know you can vote before election day, right? Like… Literally weeks prior?
I’ve been voting in Canada for 20 years. Never once have I voted ON election day.
Early voting is not available in every state.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/map-early-voting-mail-ballot-states/
Three states.
Care to explain how 82 million Americans live primarily in those three states so they had no option to vote early?
I mean you are basically correct that there are people who simply don’t/won’t vote one way or the other. For context I think it’s worth pointing out US participation in the 2024 election in terms of percentages was consistent or better than the participation most countries get in their elections, it’s not just a US issue. As for why people don’t, I don’t really have an answer there. Some people just can’t be fucked. Some people’s material conditions are bad enough with multiple jobs and responsibilities they don’t have the time of energy to devote to it. Some people are totally oblivious that it’s happening.
A darkly amusing anecdote is that one of the most searched terms on election day was “is Biden running” or something like that if that gives you any context how disengaged some people are.
That said, there are an increasing number of people in the US who don’t vote because no one on the ballot comes even close to representing them or their interests. Not to say that they are both equally bad or equally distant from what they would prefer to vote for, but as Democrats move demonstrably more to the right with each passing election, there has to be a line somewhere at which point they are so far from your interests that they don’t get to just count on you to vote blue no matter who anymore. For many people, that line was Democrats enthusiastic support of genocide.
To further the frustrations, it was made abundantly clear through polls and campaign strategists that support for Israel was an unpopular stance among democratic voters, but Kamala gambled on trump being scary enough she could ignore those voters. Worked out real well for her /s
They said “contributed”. There’s also third party voters.
I don’t buy that you should just vote for the lesser of two evils. Kamala was a shit candidate that I doubt she was ever expected to win. She was such a shit candidate she actually solidified my view that the two parties are colluding to serve corporate/Israeli interests and have the working class point fingers at one another.
Whenever I see an extremely pro party (left or right) comment online I figured there’s an 80% chance that it’s a propaganda bot and a 20% chance that its an idiot cause in real life everyone I talk to is disillusioned with the two major parties.
Left vs right is a distraction to keep the conversation away from the haves vs the have nots. Because if the haves and the have nots vote against each other than the numbers are a land slide.
They said “contributed”. There’s also third party voters.
Over 82 million Americans didn’t vote. No third party, nothing. Did. Not. Vote. Stayed at home.
75 million Americans voted for Trump.
Ah I see you don’t understand the meaning of the word ‘contributed’. That’s alright then
Ah I see you don’t understand the meaning of the words “Non-Voters”. That’s alright then
I don’t buy that you should just vote for the lesser of two evils.
And that mentality is exactly why a felon rapist pedo dumbfuck fascist is the most powerful human being on the planet and absolutely fucking everything up.
Welcome to adulthood, where the name of the game is making rough but intelligent choices to minimize damage.
Hey bud, the Dems are pedos too. They’re the same people. That’s why none of them ever get held accountable. The rest of the class has it’s pencils down and they’re waiting for you.
BOFE SYDEZ???
YOU DON’T SAY!!!
Yo mods, can we get an auto ban for any losers that come up in here playing the both sides card? It’s 2026. Shit’s pathetic. I have to instantly assume anyone doing it is a moron, a bot, or a Russian.
You’re stupid
Don’t breed
Having voted for the pos is one thing,
STILL supporting it in 2026, after everything that has happened and everything that is known,…
The word straightjacket comes to mind.
2026?
For me it’s 2024. During the 2024 election he was already a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one massively failed presidency under his belt.
I thought his supporters were dumb as rocks before that, but from that point on I considered them traitors to the United States of America and enemies to everything it stands for.
Australian here who was 100% convinced that Trump ran as a joke to get Hillary elected in 2016.
Now here knowing that Trump is an insane old man who should be in a retirement home and not running a country.
But I don’t care for the fact that most of American politicians are supporting the terrorist state of Israel. Trump is an insane old man but Israel is horrific. Phone bombs, burning children alive, pumping US citizens tax dollars (that was given to them) into lazy American politicians.
You were kinda correct. Trump becoming the big Republican nominee was part of the Pied Piper strategy of the establishment Democrat party. The Hillary Clinton campaign intentionally uplifted radical conservative candidates in an effort to make winning elections easier. The logic was if the Conservative party looks crazy, the Democratic party can run on simply pointing out that craziness without needing to actually have specific policies or positions. The establishment Democrats loved the idea of doing less work, so they eagerly adopted the strategy and focused on crushing their own left flank candidate Bernie Sanders.
The Clinton campaign and the DNC had done a bunch of oppositional research on Donald Trump in preparation, but chose to sit on it, not wanting to tank Trump’s chances of becoming the nominee. They focused instead on Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.
This is why the US has a bunch of feckless Democrats who never seem to run for anything, only against Republicans. They keep running this same, “vote for me or you’ll get the crazy man” strategy, even though they keep losing with it.
Yeah I read a lot about what happened to Bernie Sanders, absolutely wild and really depressing what the DNC did to him.
Every day I waited for them to announce it was a big joke when he decided to run for president. Now our country is the joke.
Seriously up until I got the message that Trump had become president and Hillary had lost I was 100% convinced he was running as a joke and doing everything he could to help Hillary.
The next time he became president I am 150% convinced that Elon musk rigged the election.
I never liked Hillary Clinton but Kamala Harris is brilliant.
I’m not an American, neither is Elon and I have hated Elon Musk since back when he was a beloved left wing hero… I hated Elon Musk from the moment I saw him and I’ll hate him until the day I die.
I hate lots of others, Disney, Amazon, Adobe, Microsoft CEOs.
Just don’t get me started on how much I think I should be the emperor of earth.
If you promise to dismantle Adobe you will have secured another vote xD
You got my vote. Can’t do any worse right?
Rapist, fascist, racist, insurrectionist, pedophile, felon, conman, serial liar… Why sell him short?
All that stuff was well known BEFORE the election. That’s why I don’t have any respect for those who now claim they “made a mistake”.
Yup. Ignorance isn’t an excuse. Especially 10 years of it.
The leopards weren’t supposed to eat THEIR face!
They were perfectly okay with all those things as long as it didn’t hurt them. Hell they celebrated most of it.
These same people claiming they made a mistake will absolutely support the next asshole that “speaks to them.” They all want a white Christian nation and will support whomever they think will give them that.
I think most of them would even vote for him again given the opportunity.
Indeed.
These aren’t just dumb people. They are actual traitors to our nation and everything it stands for.
that guy that said he’d forgive the President if he raped his daughters… i was like wtf. He should ha e his kids taken off him.
Because you’re more likely to convince someone with a single emotionally-charged fact than a bulleted list.
We’ve tried convincing these people. It doesn’t work. They’re lost.
Then all is lost! But still a good day to learn a little human nature.
The All Is Lost Moment! But still a good day to learn a little film theory
Yeah. It fucking sucks.
Traitor is the bigger one for me.
He’s betrayed everything this country, that office, and our people stand for.
No he didn’t. He is the hypercharged image of Corporate America, the future we’ve been building towards for the last fifty years. Capital made carnal. If it disgusts you, well, it should.
no he didn’t he is what the country stands for, I’ve got mine, fuck you all. It’s why billionaires are revered as well.
he still has has 38%-40% support
Nah, people.dont research. None of that was known. They know only what fox news lies about. And anything opposing those views are just evil Democrats smearing him and lying because theres no proof!
None of that was known.
That’s what the intellectually lazy and liars say, anyway. Because all of that was absolutely known by anyone who paid a modicum of attention to sources that weren’t 100% regime aligned.
I’m sorry, I was being the voice of the conservative hicks living in falling down shacks with trump signs all over, not an educated human. I think people mistook my comment to be my actual thoughts 😅
I know these degenerates in real life, you cannot use facts with them. They won’t ever believe it if it goes against Dear Leader, to them anything that does is a democrat scam.
These are people who really believe They (democrats/Soros) bussed in immigrants and set out pallets of bricks for riots in Minneapolis. Unrefutably they believe that as fact. 🙄
Cause they didn’t see in the four years he already had that he was a piece of shit?
No. They are idiots and only folow fox news, all else is just a smear campaign. These people are plain dumb and there is no fixing them.
Yeah, it’s all fake news unless it’s faux news
“Fuck off shitbag. You can’t hang with us; You voted for a rapist pedophile.”
Been doing this for a year now and it’s LIBERATING. No. Regrets and haven’t looked back.
In my personal experience I find women are more willing to do this than straight men. Just putting that out there, and I wonder if anyone else feels the same
There are times I can’t tell them that, they’re clients where I work, etc, but I will not talk to them. Once they make a comment supporting this trash presidency, small talk stops, I get the job done and dip. Nothing extra, bare minimum. May not even say hi to you when I’m at your office.
Km glad I did find a lot of really cool clients i can commiserate together with.
Otherwise, fuck em all. You voted for a terrible terrible piece of shit that you would not even leave your daughter or wife with. You’re a shit person who does not deserve to share the air I breathe.
Hard to be around people who actively vote away your rights.
That’s pretty broad, who are we referring to here
I find women are more willing to do this
I don’t even live in the US and I know that the GOP is doing everything to strip rights from women.
Oh yeah yeah sorry misread your comment earlier. Agreed
I dunno, maybe the US Government making it a death sentence to have an abortion?
Yeah that’s bad, what are we arguing about exactly?
You thinking it’s okay to vote women’s rights away.
Did you mean to reply to someone else?
THAT’S why I’ve got so few friends! It’s my high standards for justice!
Do you need friends? I can make recommendations
I mean honestly if you’re in Los Angeles I’d be down for a Lemmy meetup for fun. I did that once with Wikipedians, good times!
I’m not but I would! I want to go to LA again, my aunt lives in Venice Beach so I should probably hit her up. I did a meetup for the world cup and met some really cool people! Unfortunately in your 30s you have to start working for friends, they no longer fall into your lap
That fuck is a zionist and proud, so probably not them if you’ve got a strong sense of justice https://thelemmy.club/comment/27905541
Well if you do this as a straight white male you lose every straight white male in your life so yeah it can seem daunting lol.
Is it a loss?
Is that supposed to be a problem?
I’d rather make diverse friends than make a friend with somebody that openly supports Trump and his ilk.
Is it weird that I, a cis & straight presenting, white man, make friends with people outside my demographics? I mean, I do make friends within my demographics, but they are absolutely not Trump supporters.
The diverse crowd are usually pretty wary and reserved these days when it comes to interacting with white men. Can’t blame them, but its not as easy to make friends as say “hi”, because you have to prove first you are not one of “those” white men.
And I am more radical than most, I am pro positive discrimination (like 55% of government should be women, even if people want to elect men), subsidized gender affirmative care, open borders with no checks, drugs decriminalization etc whatever.
But I do also hate virtue signaling and being performative male who can’t shut up how he hates patriarchy to get laid. And fortunately or not, no one ever knows if I privately donated money to RAINN.
Paradoxically even this comment by me is virtue signalling, oh well.
So, we are basically in a stalemate where I am asked to perform and I don’t like doing that, thus we are both at arms length, although technically I would considered myself an ally.
Yeah, especially with white guys over specific age threshold.
I am not even surprised anymore when I find out yet another middle aged or elderly white cis hetero male I know IRL voted for Trump.
I do feel second hand embarrassment though listening to their neoconservative mental gymnastics, how despite Oval Office ambush on Zelensky and red carpet for Putin, Trump is actually secretly plotting to flood Ukraine with weapons, embargo Russian oil and overthrow Putin: “very soon, right now, definitively, this time for real, no, I know what kind of person Trump is, he wouldn’t betray Ukraine, he can’t, its some misunderstanding”
Neocon copium is crazy.
Oh and half of them are immigrants from Europe with US citizenship, who think ICE surely wouldn’t eat THEIR face. Which makes it even more pathetic.
the silver lining of being a very queer trans person is no one who voted for him wants to hang out with me anyway, so i dont end up running into them in my social circles. they might want to fuck me though, which is weird dichotomy…
If it helps, a lot of them would also kill you on the spot were it came to light they were having sex with you. Then use the gay panic defense in court.
Stay safe please!They might want to get fucked by you which is a slightly weirder, given their outward expressions
Hell no.
This should’ve been normalized in 2016. Probably long before that even.
“Hell no,” is a weird response. Just because you should have done something in the past doesn’t mean you can’t start now. It should be normalized every year.
That’s around when I started cutting people out who couldn’t see reason. Haven’t seen some people for a decade. They thought it was politics, I pointed out they wouldnt leave their daughter alone with him, maybe not vote for a shitty human being rapist? Cut a lot of ties unfortunately. They thought he was going to save the world LMAO.
Found the last message I sent last person I cut from my life. Can’t find one from 2016 atm.
I’m unblocking your number to send this final message.
I don’t associate with Trump supporters, FULL STOP. You’re free to believe what you want, I’m free to walk away. I set this boundary in 2018 and began enforcing it in 2021 after the Jan 6th Insurrection. I want absolutely nothing to do with this administration.
We started talking about car repair because you seemed like a normal, everyday guy. Learning that you’re a proud Trump supporter sucks because I did enjoy helping and hanging out with you. But your views are the completely opposite of mine if you think America is being “saved” by Trump. Your idea of “saving” is very strange.
Trump is a 34x convicted felon (for fraud no less), convicted rapist, accused by dozens of women of sexual assault, who raped his previous wife, hung out with pedophile Epstein (why aren’t the Epstein files released? What is Bondi hiding?) regularly on the Lolita Express, talks about wanting to fuck his daughter, selling Trump meme coins, peddling products out of the Oval Office, Tesla commercials on the White House lawn, selling “gold card” citizenships for $50k (you can come to America as an immigrant, as long as you have/bring money), dodged the draft yet talks trash about armed services and veterans, defends the nazi hate group the proud boys, calls voters “stupid”, threatening to take away citizenships of anyone he doesn’t like or criticizes the government (literally what the nazis did, revoke the citizenship of Germans who opposed them)… I could go on, but it’s wasted energy.
Logic and reasoning didn’t get you into your current beliefs, login and reason won’t get you out.
Every accusation by a republican is a confession.
People who look up to Trump or think their ideals are the same, are NOT people I want to be around. This isn’t a political stance, we can debate all day on whether students should get free food at school, or that justice doesn’t exist in the eyes of the law, only punishment, etc. This is a moral issue. I will not be part of this fascist regime that American has become with all these concentration camps and deportations for people coming here for a better life, fighting with our neighbors over tariffs. Everyday it’s a new stack of lies and distractions from the previous day, inundated with bullshit so you can’t even respond before 27 new issues are hitting headlines.
I will not provide links, if you want to check it, you can google. Unless you discover it on your own, you won’t check my links so it’s a waste of my time. I’ve been through this, you aren’t the first person to be removed from my life over Trump support and won’t be the last.
This is a line I draw. Maybe one day you’ll see that this is a hate cult, it’s all part of the grift to help the millionaire an billionaire class, but I won’t be around to care.
This was excellent. Sorry your friend was an idiot. There is the “bet he would be upset if he could read” joke somewhere but I am so tired of that being true.
Oh, he replied quickly, didn’t read it at all, told me he wasn’t going to read my “rhetoric”. Cool, enjoy being white trash loser.
You’re a real 1.
It hurt most when my sister told me that she voted for him. Most of my family did but I didnt know that at the time.
My family aren’t bad people but this post makes me realize more that I just dont want to talk to them.
Dont want to be reminded that they voted for trump twice.
That I wasnt smart enough or trusted enough or just there enough to stop it.
Even if I could have, the media machines had them. PA suburbs bleed into country.
I dont know…I just remember listening to a 3-4 part podcast about Trump, in 2016, when most people knew that he was a slum lord and a weasle.
Anyway, im listening to this podcast on my sister’s couch just stupified that he won and I say, “Knowing all this I can’t believe this is who got elected.”
And her just saying, “Well I voted for him.”
I just…it hurts man. And every time im there is have to pretend it doesn’t.
My family aren’t bad people
They are if they still support him. Can’t ride the fence on this one. It’s gone too far. Ignorant people can also be bad people.
They are bad people tho 🤷🏻
“Look, my family aren’t bad people. All they did was turn their heads when the Nazis came door to door looking for people. It’s not like they PERSONALLY did any of that. They just wanted the economy working again.”
I don’t think they are necessarily bad, maybd ignorant and selfish for not considering the bad consequences on other’s lives
Nah. Being ignorant and selfish is deffo bad.
Sorry to say this, but your family voted for trump knowing who he is and what he would do to people. They are not good people. Ignorant and selfish people aren’t generally good people.
And it hurts to hear it, but you need to acknowledge the facts of reality. I’ve gone through this recently with my fuckhead uncle, and it still hurts a bit when the stupid fuck tries to get me to call him, but I keep telling him no because he won’t change who he is and I want nothing to do with people like that. And it’s ok to acknowledge that your family aren’t good people, but I wont pretend it’s easy to do. You can keep them in your life if you have the energy to try to change them, but know that you can’t change someone who doesn’t want to change.
But it is not easy to be a good person when you’re surrounded by media that try to make everything look ok, even if it isn’t. I’m not trying to justify every person who voted for Trump and I don’t think all of them are bad people, but they’re stupid tho.
But it is not easy to be a good person when you’re surrounded by media that try to make everything look ok
Not easy, no. But absolutely possible. There were absolutely Germans in Nazi Germany that didn’t just go along with what was happening. A lot of them fled the country. A lot of them helped the resistance in any way they could.
Turning your brain off and giving in to mass delusion is lazy and wrong.
But it is not easy to be a good person when you’re surrounded by media that try to make everything look ok, even if it isn’t.
I never said it was easy. But as someone who grew up constantly having fox news and limbaugh shoved down my throat for 10-15 years, I know first had just how hard it is, and that it can be done if you want to do it.
I’m not trying to justify every person who voted for Trump and I don’t think all of them are bad people
We can agree to disagree on this point. Even from alt-right sources, they knew he was going to do shit like deport anyone and everyone he could, and would embolden the police to be even more over the top than they already were. The problem is these people see shit like that as a good thing, which is why they are bad people.
I personally don’t care why someone voted for trump, the individual reasons are unimportant when they knew the kinds of horrors he would unleash on us. That’s why they are bad people. They knowingly made this choice, and from my interactions with magats around me, they’re only upset that the leopards are eating the wrong faces but would probably still vote for him again if they could (and anyone who tells you otherwise is most likely lying, just like after 2020).
Good point. Why watching fox news while you were growing up didn’t make a maga person tho?
Because I managed to internalize the Catholic morals I was raised with instead of just paying them lip service. Going to university and getting out from under that mental blanket helped a lot.
Also, the whole gamergate controversy snapped me out of whatever conservative mentalities I had when I saw the type of person I was becoming.
dude they are bad people, think of the wives of the guards at Auswitz, looking after hearth and home, That’s your sister.
Don’t pretend. Stop trying to not rock the boat. The kindest thing you can do for your loved ones is to help them find their way out of the darkness, you can’t do that if you won’t acknowledge reality, to their face.
Dont want to be reminded that they voted for trump twice.
3 times probably, and looking forward to the 4th one already.
Hey friend, you’re not alone in that pain. But please don’t let the hurt and anger blind you. We don’t talk about weasels like that. Comparing them to Trump like that is unreasonably cruel to weasels.
Their actions aren’t your fault, don’t beat yourself up about it.
pa suburbs are essentially the south don’t feel bad we’re close enough to nyc should’ve known better (at least philly, pittsburg is pretty much ohio)
