• Shadow@lemmy.caM
    131·
    2 days ago

    Yeah we’d been discussing this but nobody had a chance to make this thread about it yet. It feels dishonest for the app to have these hidden biases, so I’d rather just kill it.

    I’ve pulled tesseract down now.

      • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
        10·
        2 days ago

        But are they going to actually maintain it?

        Edit:

        This fork was created by a divisions by zer0 admin after we noticed the original developer silently blacklisted all leftist and trans-friendly instances like the massive turbolib they are. We just removed his blacklist and we’ll eventually drop this frontend once lemmy 1.0 comes around.

        So not a huge commitment, though I’m not sure how close 1.0 is to release.

  • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
    321·
    2 days ago

    Probably a good idea. Too much shady shit.

    E: Am apparently on the blocklist! 🥳

  • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.socialEnglish
    26·
    2 days ago

    Good lord, I’ve tried to read the post, but Dev is such an edge lord I’m beginning to suspect Elmo himself vibe coded it.

    At least I’m part of the list, being filtered out by this asshole is an honor.

    • kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      I didn’t even know what Tesseract was

      I still don’t know.

      My searching tells me iTesseract is open source OCR software, but that doesn’t make sense in the context I’m seeing in these threads.

      • Otter@lemmy.ca
        5·
        2 days ago

        This page might help, it explains what alternative UIs are and which ones are available. Some of them can also be used in the mobile web browser.

        https://fedecan.ca/en/guide/threadiverse/alternative-uis

        (It says tesseract is available on lemmy.ca, but that is out of date now)

        This issue with Tesseract affects anyone that was using it. So it is possible that someone did not see a comment or post you made, without knowing why they could not see it. Past that, it likely hasn’t affected you since you said you don’t use it :)

        • IronKrill@lemmy.ca
          2·
          1 day ago

          Thanks so much for sharing this, I couldn’t find an actual screenshot of Tesseract anywhere what with Dubvee redirecting everything to a “goaway” picture.

        • kent_eh@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          1 day ago

          It sounds like I might not have known if I was using it or not, depending on how I accessed Lemmy.

          • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
            2·
            1 day ago

            It’s extremely unlikely that you were using it without knowing. Though if you were you’d know now because reloading the page would load Lemmy-UI instead of Tesseract. They don’t look at all alike.

            edit:

            https://photon.lemmy.ca/ looks very similar to tesseract, if you want to see the difference.

        • Sc00ter@lemmy.zip
          2·
          2 days ago

          So if i use mobile exclusively via voyager app. Does that mean im not implicated in this mess?

          I have no idea what any of this means, technically. I understand and agree that some shadow ban black list blocking users is bad, and i dont want that, but i dont even know what people are being blocked from

          • TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            2 days ago

            If you only ever use Voyager (or any other mobile app) you won’t be directly affected by this, other than that you might be on the block list and if so people using teseract wouldn’t ever be able to see your posts or comments.

  • [object Object]@lemmy.ca
    19·
    2 days ago

    I have no objection to stuff like the nsfw blocklist by default, I can even think of justification for a lot of filters. But the way it was done is shady and weird.

    • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
      16·
      2 days ago

      This whole thing is crazy for current users. I’d been trying to figure out why Tesseract was behaving so strangely when I hadn’t changed anything. Digging through settings and messing around with filters. There was no notice at all. And this only makes sense if you only use Tesseract. I use Voyager on my phone and I was receiving notifications there that weren’t appearing in my browser. I’d post comments from my phone and not be able to see them in Tesseract because I guess someone else in the comment chain was on this list. Usability nightmare.

      And then you can’t disable it without having a big ever-present content warning telling you you’re in Toxic Mode. Yeesh. You know who else is a level-headed guy who’s been wading through the sewage for 3(+) years? THIS GUY. I know my way around this glorious sewer, my dude.

        • breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca
          2·
          1 day ago

          So there’s a super secret blocklist distinct from the list people are discussing in this thread? Is there a link to it? Or are you saying that the list being discussed here can’t be disabled?

    • Otter@lemmy.ca
      8·
      2 days ago

      Yea I think some of this would work better as an automod or reporting tool.

      I’ve played with Reddit’s automod, and even well designed automod regex tends to make lots of mistakes, and you need to slowly make adjustments to refine it.

      Other parts of it should have been opt in, and ideally in a way that you can import any list. That would also help with the gaming issue, since a bad actor can’t look at one list and game it when people can be using any combination of blocklists. Similar to how ublock origin does it.

  • can@sh.itjust.works
    223·
    2 days ago

    To disable them (referred to as enabling Toxic Mode in the settings), it’s as simple as:

    Settings -> Advanced -> Click the "I feel like some content is missing. What's up?" text at the bottom -> Enable Toxic Mode

    Hahaha

    • Otter@lemmy.ca
      6·
      2 days ago

      It’s nice, and I know the https://lemdro.id/ instance has it as the default

      However since it is a third party frontend, there is a chance that a future Lemmy update will come out without having full Photon support right away. So it’s usually safer to keep them separate, and encourage people to try out the frontends to see what they like

      • Xylight‮@lemdro.id
        41·
        2 days ago

        Photon’s Lemmy V1 compatibility is actually pretty much complete with a lot of technical improvements as well, I’m kinda hoping the Lemmy devs release Lemmy v1 soon as I don’t really want to make a lemmy v0.x adapter

  • nomad@infosec.pub
    927·
    2 days ago

    guillotins, Luigi, violence, violence, death!

    For those who actually read the post… I wholeheartedly agree with that part. I actually understand hiding what reporting wont fix.

    Calls for beheadings, murder or torturing rich people, criminals and political opponents is “in” in Lemmy and it fucking sucks. It wouldn’t be tolerated as a form of religious extremism and it shouldn’t be tolerated just because its our side doing the extremism.

    I actually try to engage with that do people encounter opposite opinions here and learn to be somewhat regulated members of society. That down votes are not counted globally makes that actually possible, because “why execute if locking up somebody is perfectly acceptable” gets unbelievably many people riled up into a downvote frenzy foaming at the mouth.

    I think the intention is good and the option to choose is not taken and I would opt to keep Tesseract and just add some visible warning about toxic mode.

    • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.caEnglish
      91·
      2 days ago

      I have no tolerance for violence and hate. None. If you want to see and/or spout that shit, again, use another client. If you’re as sick of seeing that shit everywhere as I am, well, maybe give this a try because that’s the vibe I’m going for.

      I agree with this in principle. But I have no doubt I ended up on the blacklist for calling out his own daily violence against vulnerable individuals. I’ve never advocated for a violent solution to the many problems we discuss.

      He also … said a lot of stuff. Wow. The further I get into that post, the less meaningful it seem. Buddy’s falling apart, and externalizes the blame on us.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        6·
        2 days ago

        I read the dev post. Oh boy, does this person has got issues. Not to imply I or anyone has no issues but some of those decisions… 😔

        Lots of bad assumptions, conclusions and misunderstandings too. Like this whole thing abt people banned from reddit being the bad ones on Lemmy. Buddy, my account on reddit is alive and well with fairly high karma. I left both in protest as well as a conscious decision to contribute whatever time (and actually more) to a non-corporate social media. I am on the blocklist. Bravo dev. 👏

      • nomad@infosec.pub
        41·
        2 days ago

        I think there is good intention there and the post is worded carefully. He saw a problem and tried to affect change the only way he could. I think that is not a solution that should stay but I think doing something instead of nothing should be applauded even if he is imperfect, he has done a lot for Lemmy.

    • Otter@lemmy.ca
      19·
      2 days ago

      I agree with what you’re saying, and some of this is also against our drafted new guidelines. While people have suggestions on the wording and implementation, those guideline proposals have been received positively

      However this implementation doesn’t really solve the problem effectively.

      • your comment would also have been hidden, along with any comment that wants to discuss the issue or make the same point you are making (or a completely unrelated topic, see Scunthorpe problem)

      • mods and admins are less likely to notice the obviously bad actors. So instead of those accounts getting banned and purged, they might still be posting harmful content or coded language that the filters don’t pick up on and can’t keep up with

      Some words SHOULD get blanket banned, but we already have the admin level keyword blocklist for that.

      Otherwise I think that a frontend is the wrong place for this functionality, and It should be handled by a proper automod or reporting tool/plugin

      • nomad@infosec.pub
        62·
        2 days ago

        I hear what you are saying and I agree on so far that something needs to be done. Having a small frontend team that controls a somewhat opaque block list is not ideal. I get where they come from and I get why they decided to do something they could do. I think at least some good came from that in so far that the thing gets discussed now and that there are some new content guidelines soon. I don’t think we will see hexbear reformed anytime soon but there will probably be somewhat improved self regulation on Lemmy and isn’t that what good anarchism is all about? Communities self governing and regulating?