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      They are completely sincere when they say you owe them your vote. Democracy to them means you do what the leaders who went through bourgeois gauntlet tell you to. They are not accountable to the people, the people are accountable to them in their view of the world.

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      They are such loyal lapdogs acknowledging mass protests against blu-team gives validation of the critism of their corporation - and they will not engage in “attacking their own” (unless it’s punching down and left).

      They have a list of phrases to try to guilt people into accepting their shit ass candidates every single election. It is like clockwork. They are completely disingenuous and hold the electorate in extreme contempt. They profit and are comfortable in the current system, many of them embarassed Republicans, libertarians, and conservatives.

      They would keep getting away with it too if it wasn’t for those uppity commie unicorn humping queers! /s

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      Just because Joe Biden circumvented Congress to arm Israel, and just because years ago he said Israel should kill women and children if needed, and just because Kamala said she would always stand with Israel, and just because Kamala brought Dick fucking Cheney around to give her support, and just because Joe never once stopped supporting it, and just because Kamala never broke with him, that doesn’t mean she would’ve continued the genocide you “unicorn humper”

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      It’s still crazy to me how the Palestine protesters under Biden have been memory-holed. Two months into Trump you had libs saying “we never had masked men drag away political dissidents under Biden!” and similar shit.

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    the term “genocide people” is absolutely wild work. like how in the fuck can you sit there and draw a distinct line between people who care about genocide and people who don’t and then willingly put yourself in the latter category? i’d rather be pulled inside out and set on fucking fire than identify (openly or otherwise) as someone who doesn’t care about genocide

    no redemption is possible. the only cure for this shit is death.

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      They’re being facetious. People who use those terms are emphasizing that they don’t believe a genocide is happening and if it were, it is irrelevant because they are Palestinian; majority Muslim ; anti-Western ; and not American & not white.

      It’s that Hexbear quote (beanisbrain’s?) quote about liberalism politics: “White supremacy is the black hole at the center of liberal thought: not directly observable, but made apparent by how all of their other ideas orbit around it”

      Without leverage to demand change or concessions , all liberalism has in their rhetorical toolbox is "Obey or die*.

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      the term “genocide people” is absolutely wild work.

      I would have audibly gasped at that line, if it weren’t for the fact that I’m already dead inside from having to share a planet with these disgusting fucking freaks

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    Run campaign on being “sensible” fascism with polished aesthetics

    Loses election and even popular vote to “gaudy” fascism with macho aesthetics

    Somehow, this is the left’s fault

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        We pointed out that’s what would happen when they lost. When they win its proof they dont need us, when they lose its because we didn’t support them

        no you don’t understand simply saying how bad of an idea it was means it’s entirely your fault not the party - libs/blue maga

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          by the mere act of uttering negative words about their candidate, you summoned this future into existence. beneath all the bullshit, they’re by and large followers of that oprah’s secret thing.

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    They wouldn’t admit the genocide was happening.

    The amount of gaslighting they did during all that and here we go round 2, bring it on.

    They. Could. Have. Just. Lied.

    They could have just said “yeah we will stop the bomb shipments day one of the administration” and then not done that. They could have lied. What’s another lie? They lied about the 2000 checks, Trump lies every minute, we live in a post-truth consensus reality of whatever you want to call it. Hypernormalization. I’m sure the system could have endured another broken campaign promise.

    these people have sawdust for brains, it’s not just Brandon

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        It will be interesting to see how far this can be pushed with AIPAC devolving its donations to zionist orgs that have less of a toxic association. With incredible effort in the face of genocide, by 2050 we may yet reach the lofty heights of a democrat lying about not supporting israel

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      They lied about the $30,000 in student loan forgiveness my family was explicitly promised as a condition of being elected, and then when Biden won and had the legal, constitutional, and political power to do so, simply did not do it.

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    And their evidence that Dems would have done a single thing to bring an end to the genocide is ???

    Meanwhile Kamala Harris:

    “Let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself,” [Kamala Harris] said tonight. She said that Israelis should “never again” go through the horror and “unspeakable” attacks of Oct. 7.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc

    Did they think we forgot this genocide started under, was armed by, and had the full support of a Democrat president?

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      Despite Trump’s horrible positions and the actions of Israel under his presidency, if “Less people dying in Gaza” was your biggest concern you had every reason to feel vindicated in voting for Trump until like, a week ago.

      This is not me saying the genocide is over or anything approaching that, it’s ongoing and has now reintensified. But by pure numbers, under Trump less Palestinians have been killed, less bombs have been dropped, and the rate of murder and destruction has slowed.

      This is no credit to Trump or anyone around him, it is solely a condemnation of Biden the Butcher. Biden was Hitler, Kamala said she would also be Hitler, and it was very reasonable to see Trump as the lesser evil, and until a week ago he was (When it comes to Gaza specifically).

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      I think they forget it themselves tbh. Look at discourse about ICE. These people will completely earnestly say shit like “we didn’t sick the police on protesters when we were in charge!”

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    I engage with these people often, and always ends up with them getting angry and saying “It was your job to give us candidates we could vote for.”

    So like how a democracy is supposed to work, you absolute bellend?

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      capitalist-woke Anybody can run for office in a democracy, sweetie! Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and run for president yourself as an anti-genocide candidate! Sure the DNC is slavishly loyal to Israel and will do everything they can to sabotage your campaign and boost your opponents, but that’s just the robust debate of democracy at work!

  • All these people pretend that Kamala took a principled stand against Israel’s genocide, and swore that she would not participate in a war against Iran.

    She explicitly did neither of those things.

    What she did do: become the de facto nominee after the incumbent proved how badly his brain had degraded live on stage, said there was no difference between her policies and that historically unpopular incumbent, dismissed every criticism from everyone left of Mussolini (And even a few people to his right) regarding the genocide, refused even token gestures that might alleviate some of the legitimate issues the left wing of her own party had, embraced some of the worst people in the opposition party, And do all of this while being one of the least charismatic political figures in modern American history.

    The only good thing about that post: we joke about how Democrats feel entitled to our vote, but it’s refreshing to see how deeply they despise us while demanding our obedience.

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    It’s the phrase “genocide people” that’s the most infuriating here. As if concern for an ethnic group getting violently wiped out of their homeland is some niche issue that only a fringe care about.

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      “Dead Gazan Baby”

      “Dead Gazan Baby”

      “Dead Gazan Baby”

      “Dead Gazan Baby”

      “KANYE”

      “Dead Gazan Baby”

      “Dead Gazan Baby”

      Van Jones, a democrat, best displayed how they see normal people’s horrified reaction to genocide.

  • What do they mean “got nothing they wanted”?

    I wanted the DemoKKKrats to lose for committing genocide in order to send a message that committing genocide will cost them power.  They lost.

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      Also Trump negotiated a ceasefire. One that Israel kept breaking, but that ultimately reduced the intensity of the bombings faced by the Palestinians.

      Biden would’ve never had done that.

      Trump was clearly the harm reduction candidate.

      Also Hillary Clinton promised a war with Iran, and she would’ve lead the war more competently. So Trump I’d also a harm reduction candidate here.

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      It’s incredibly funny that there’s a big crowd yelling “we didn’t vote for you because you were committing a genocide!” and all the powerbrokers and talking heads are going “Hmmm why did we lose? We were probably too woke!”

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      Didn’t get what I wanted?

      What did they think, exactly, I meant when I said “Death to America”?

      I fucking love what I see happening to the American empire, and frankly, most Americans deserve what’s happening to them. The infinitely small amount of good people being hurt are no different to those communists who endured the Long March knowing their existence would ensure a better life for those that came after. Of fucking course it would be better if we could press the big communist utopia button to instantly solve all world problems and erase humanity’s fatal neurological flaws. But that button doesn’t exist. And America must die.

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    i-think-that adopting basic principles like “genocide is bad” and holding fast to them even when the alternative is harmful will force better policies in the long term

    maybe-later-kiddo this is the most IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME. the future DOES NOT EXIST. we must scrape the ceiling of this pathetic local maxima FOREVER

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    https://www.editorialboard.com/about/

    The reason John Stoehr feels safe enough to say something like this is because he feels shielded by his affiliation with Yale, a place decent human beings virtually never attend. The level of privilege required to be part of that world is so astounding as to remove one from humanity entirely.

    Edit: Also are we just gonna ignore the fact that the guy responding to him is Dick Dangler?

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      Edit: Also are we just gonna ignore the fact that the guy responding to him is Dick Dangler?

      I bet he’s also from some ghoul dynasty and his full name is like Dick Dangler the III because it’s the best joke every generation of his family can come with and also they have a lot of hushed SA and molestation in their closets.

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        Oh I imagine they don’t even hush up their crimes. Why bother when everyone already knows about President Penis-bitten-by-a-13-year-old?