“Republicans are once again attempting to make Daylight Saving Time permanent, with President Donald Trump promising to lead the push to end the longstanding American practice of switching clocks twice a year.”
I don’t care if it’s permanent or gone, just fucking pick one and stick with it.
Retail likes extra daylight when people get off work, so they can buy stuff.
Democratic California did this before Trump. Trump wants something California did. He wants it bad.
Let him have it. This is how you manipulate people like him.
So this is why he doesn’t have time to attend his son’s wedding
Oh hey, it’s that one thing I agree with Trump on.
for me it’s this and the penny. pennies are stupid. sorry not sorry.
I’m Canadian. We ditched the penny years ago.
No one notices anymore.
I guess we can add on marijuana rescheduling
While we’re at it nickels and dimes are pretty stupid too
Agreed but they wouldn’t be stupid if inflation wasn’t so fucking high!
They’ve been stupid for a long time, actually. It’s been ages since it started costing more than a penny per coin to mint them…
Pennies have been dumb for a while. The half cent was worth way more than today’s pennies when we stopped making it
The year is 2026, and the US government bickers over what time it is and minimum wage is less than eight dollars an hour and corporations are people and JUST END IT
A government can (and, depending on the size of the country it administrates, has) do many things at once. Pursuing one topic shouldn’t necessarily come at the detriment of others.
The problem is that representatives and lawmakers ignore or block those other things and waste time buddying up with corporate dragons instead of actually dealing with all the things that ought to be deliberated and decided.
Come on man, this is like the one sane thing they’re doing right now. Do you really need to talk shit about it? Advancing a bill doesn’t mean they are arguing. This is them doing something for once that isn’t insane and bad for everyone.
I mean just because minimum wage is too low doesn’t mean we shouldn’t change to permanent daylight savings.
The real answer is, the world should just run on UTC. No timezones. No confusion. When it says 12:00 UTC, it’s the same time everywhere on the planet, regardless of the sun being up or not.
Not changing time is good when one travels a lot. If one does not travel much, one single time is hardly useful. However, there are merits to the idea.
This is the dumbest fucking idea I’ve seen yet. Far, far worse than daylight savings time.
End the AM/PM stuff too!
Actually a decent part of the world uses 24h scheme, and it works fine.
While you’re at it, adopt a logic date format.
dd/mm/yyyy makes sense.
yyyy-mm-dd makes sense.
mm/dd/yyyy is an abominationDigest that, and when you’re ready, we’ll talk about your backward units system…
This is only a good idea when you don’t think about it.
That’s like all my ideas. What’s that mean for me?
You’re a visionary and should be made CEO of major tech companies.
They kind of do that in China. All parts of China officially use Beijing time, even though the easternmost part is an hour ahead and the westernmost part three hours behind. In Xinjiang, they mostly just ignore it and use local time.
Except when students have national scale exams. In Xinjiang, they start near the end of the night…
oh cool, so in 100 years we’ll all be using beijing time.
I think it would take a bit of getting used to, but I would not be opposed to this.
I think it would take a bit of getting used to
As opposed to taking a bit of getting used to twice per year at the beginning and end of DST?
I think it would be a bigger adjustment than that, yes. And, I imagine there would be on-going adjustments as some places/persons adjust their posted hours, either due to seasons changing the length of daylight or other reasons.
But, I do think it could be an improvement with planning to change and hour back or forth twice a year.
Twice a year the entire country collectively agrees the clock change is annoying, unhealthy, and pointless, and then somehow we still keep doing it.
Known liar too.
Pledged to donate a ton of money to climate change organizations. As of tracking it until 2 years ago, he had actually donated only 3% of the pledge.
I recall this had gained momentum under Biden but ultimately failed for what I can only perceive as the GOP not wanting that W to happen under the Dems.
From what I understand parents were freaking out about having their kids outside in the dark either before or after school, I don’t remember which. That’s the only argument against it I think I’ve ever heard.
Stock market. Everyone is waiting for NY to decide, because an hour shift has huge rippling effects for trading algorithms. It hasn’t happened because of $$$, not because leaders care about kids.
Which is so damn stupid. Either shut up, because the northern part of the country and other countries manage this without whinging about it,
OR get involved locally and change the school start time.
I used to wait at the bus stop in the winter at 6am when it was still pitch black out.
It would be light before the bus got there and dark again within two hours of getting home.
This was in Minneapolis, but I lived in the south side while going to a specialized program at North High, the other side of the city, so it wasn’t typical.
Anywhere in the north quarter of the continental US already has kids waiting for the bus in the dark, regardless of DST. It’s a poor argument from the get go
Yeah and they don’t heave time to enjoy the morning light before school anyway. It’s after school when we need the extra sun (which is still quite limited in northern states).
I mean you get screwed on one side of the equation anyway just because of sunlight hours shortening by the season. Hell, Alaskans have months without meaningful sunlight. And then months with basically 24h sunlight. Unless jobs were to adjust their hours with the seasons theres no way not to get screwed at some point.
There’s an appreciable increase in cardiovascular events and car accidents when we lose an hour. For that reason alone we should stop the stupid clock changing.
Ah, North High. I played a bunch of flash games and watched the back half of the Naruto Chuunin Exams arc in the media center there since Cartoon Network’s website wasn’t blocked for some reason. Good times.
Kids waiting for the bus in the dark is the most legitimate concern when it comes to this issue.
That’s gonna happen anyway. There is no way to guarantee a reasonable sunrise time all year. I hate changing the clocks and like getting up after sunrise, but nothing is more dispiriting than going home from work in the dark, and there would be less of that with permanent DST.
Well, we could just define sunrise as 7 a.m. and Sunset as 7 p.m.
That would mean very long 12 hours in summer and very short 12 hours in winter, but it would make sure that no kid had to take a bus in the dark (unless they take a bus considerably before 7)
Happens a heck of a lot less though the other way. And you being inconvienced is way less compelling.
I’m all for Standard Time
So just move it 30 minutes one last time and call it good.
So then it would be say 4pm on the East Coast of the US and something 30 in every other country? That would make things more confusing for everyone. The rest of the world would have to agree to this and that ain’t happening.
Half hour time zones exist but year aren’t common
The rest of the world doesn’t need to agree.
The rest of the world wouldn’t have to agree to it, but I do think it would be a needless complication.
Every place except Afghanistan.
I can’t fathom how this isn’t the answer. Seems like it would be a slam dunk.
Thing is there is a correct and scientifically proven beneficial time (normal time) and one that idiot propaganda is successfully pushing because people positively associate it with summer (even often calling daylight saving time summer time instead).
So not moving on with the discussion was actually the better option.
Nah it’s just numbers. A day length is real, but the numbers we lay on it, hours and minutes, are just ways to split it up. There’s no magic to calling the direct overhead sun 12, and that doesn’t happen at the edges of time zones under either scheme anyway.
You could get it with a sundial, just have longer day “hours” in summer and longer night “hours” in winter.
Correct, it’s not magic. It’s biology. Light, mostly natural light, is what controls your daily rhythm and what constantly resets your biological clock to a 24 hours cycle when it’s by default not that good and might range from 23 to 25 hours naturally.
The latter fact is also responsible for natural early birds or natural late risers because those are people with a natural inner clock more leaning to the 23 hour or 25 hour side respectively.
And that’s where things actually get interesting. The majority belongs to the second group. They are also the one most suffering from our modern style of life. Because while the early bird can just start the day a bit slower and can voluntarily go to sleep an hour earlier when his inner clock tells him the day is over (that free time after all), the late risers don’t have that choice. Neither can they just sleep a bit longer matching their “but my 25-hour of day/night are not done yet”-cycle because they have to get to work, nor can they go to bed an hour earlier to get enough sleep because they are simple not tired yet and still in day mode.
And there is exactly one thing that helps those people to not live in a constant state of light sleep deprivation. Earlier sunrises and sunsets to adjust there biological clock to better work with a 24 hours duration. Daylight saving times does the opposite and hurts the portion of the population already badly adjusted to hour modern day cycle (again: they are the majority, too).
Agreed. I’m all for making solar time stay in place year-round, but it’s insanity to mandate we always use the wrong time.
I’d rather it get dark at 9:30 in summer and 5:30 in winter than 8:30 in summer and 4:30 in winter.
I’d rather have dark mornings than dark afternoons.
I’d rather have noon the accurate year-around. I can’t switch when the sun is the highest. All other things I can reschedule.
I don’t get this argument. The day doesn’t change no matter what the numbers are. Just do something when it’s light or dark when you want to. That’s it.
Changing the clock itself alters the amount of light left when people get off work.
We could’ve just left the clocks alone, and instead made it mandatory that businesses reduce working hours by an hour or two in the winter, while maintaining the same pay. But since the government is corporate captured, that would never pass.
In our current system of daylight savings, corporations get the same amount of work hours, while all the workers are forced to adjust. It’s a pro-corporate compromise.
It’s similar to how studies show that 4-day work weeks boost mental health and productivity, but corporations don’t like the idea, so a law mandating 4-day work weeks without a reduction in pay would never pass, despite it benefitting society.
This doesn’t make any sense to me. They get the same amount of work hours no matter what the clock says.
Also the daylight time will vary depending on what latitude you are on, so I am not getting this argument.
In any case I do think it’s up to each community to figure out what day and night are, and like some I have lived in they adjust summer hours vs winter hours for the reasons of shifting the activities to when they wanted them to occur. Not changing the clocks, just what hours they wanted to collectively do things.
I think you may be conflating my two paragraphs together. The first paragraph explains why they collectively change their clocks forward or backward an hour. It’s because most US businesses do not have alternate hours for different seasons.
My second paragraph is an alternate proposal, by me, that would avoid the need to change the clocks at all, while as a side effect giving people an extra hour of their life for themselves.
Yeah, I’d rather bright mornings, and so here we are at an impasse!
Just leave it, it is what it is. Or shit, make the following Monday a holiday, how about that. Give us an extra 24 hours to adjust.
There is no wrong time. It’s arbitrary numbers it doesn’t matter what you call the number at.
Wrong. Noon should be the hour closest to the sun’s peak.
Why? The name you assign that makes no damn difference. Also is not consistent by latitude. Or the boundaries of time zones for that matter. Or the time of the year.
It makes a difference to align my internal clock with solar activity. The middle of the day (noon) must be the middle of the day (sun’s peak). DST sucks.
Hope you don’t move. You must live at the equator?
Seriously, you clock is yours the number doesn’t matter. Other people are on all their own rhythms the numbers are arbitrary.
If you like what ever noon means to you, the name and number assigned at that time doesn’t mean anything.
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Calling science (biology in this case) bullshit sums up a US-centric discussion perfectly…
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I don’t want to see another article about this until it’s finally fucking done.
How will all the people who make a living writing articles about this find work? Especially now that all of the “My 2 cents: The debate and history of the penny” article writers are also jobless.
Isn’t that how some pressure is put on to make it pass?
Hey I’ve seen this one before!
Every health and safety expert who isn’t the Chamber of Commerce hoping for longer shopping hours agrees that permenant Standard Time would be superior and that permenant DST would be, in fact, deadly.
Also we did permenant DST and hated it. We just hated it so much we abolished it immediately and promptly forgot we ever tried it.
Big agree with this. Permanently DST sucks, and we have historical basis for that claim. Anyone above a certain latitude is going to loathe this change any anyone southern enough to not feel as much of the earths tilt wont notice much of a difference. Depending how far east you are in your timezone will change how it effects you too.
Being on the far east end of a time zone sucks in the winter. I suspect longitude is a bigger factor than latitude.
When I look at how far east the Maritimes of Canada go I’m not surprised they use a half hour timezone, if anything I’m just surprised they didn’t just adopt the full hour earlier. If you go just about straight north from St. John’s you’ll end up in a part of Greenland that does use the full hour earlier.
How is this possible? No matter what number you call it the day stays the same. This is so stupid.
Permanent DST is equivalent to permanent standard time with business hours moved an hour earlier. I assume that standard business hours were originally set by businesses to maximize profits—so if permanent earlier hours are better for business than permanent standard hours, why didn’t businesses set earlier hours to begin with?
The optimum may shift over time.
There’s nothing preventing businesses from changing their hours over time as well (and in the long run, I suspect they’ll eventually settle on the same physical hours regardless of whether we choose standard time or permanent DST).
I’m still hugely in favor of a permanent dlst. It fucking sucks to be dark as hell before you even get home from a normal work day. If you’re going to cage the public till 5pm, at least give the opportunity at a brief bit of light.
It fucking sucks to be dark as hell before you even get home from a normal work day.
The solution for that is adjusting working hours, not the clocks.
Noon should always be the hour nearest the sun’s peak.
That means you’d have to adjust the clock all the time. End of October for instance, we’re on “normal time” but high noon is almost 1 pm. Not 12.
People didn’t hate it, they were given propaganda and then they hated it. Because people are morons.
As someone who emigrated from the US to a more reasonable country, I really hate having to remember the time of year to calculate the time difference when I need to contact people in the US.
Even though permanent DST makes more sense, I’d take either.
Even though permanent DST makes more sense, I’d take either.
I wouldn’t. Sun comes up at 4:30 in the summer in Japan and you can see first light at 3. They really need to move ahead an hour, and if the US did permanent standard time instead of DST it’d be the same. Time zones in the US are already pretty big though. In the western areas of some time zones the summer sunset is at 9 PM (which I don’t mind, but most people probably wouldn’t want that so much).
I absolutely agree that permanant DST is preferred, and am shocked that that’s the proposal here, as usually the idea is to make standard time permanant. I work in an office, so I don’t care how dark or light it is when I get up in the morning, but I’d kill for more time after work. I’ve, of course, tried to get my office to allow me to shift my schedule but that doesn’t fly of course.
Ending the clock change is good, but do it on solar time.
People who want permanent DST are free to just get up an hour early.
Hardly anyone is free to get up an hour later to accomodate their inner clock.I’m free to get up an hour early, but not free to leave work an hour early. The entire benefit to me is not having to spend 3 months without seeing the sun after work.
A similiar thing is true for people in general. Early birds are free to just lie in bed some more or to move slower when getting up and they are free to go to sleep an hour earlier as that’s free time. Late risers (the slight majority, too) are not free to sleep according to their natual rhythm because they need to get to work and can in fact not just go to sleep an hour earlier when they are not tired yet.
And yet daylight saving time that punishes the latter group and keeps them in a constant cycle of slight sleep deprivation is pushed as the single time because idiots associate it positively with summer.
Under standard time, I don’t see the sun before or after work during the winter. It rises after I get to work, and sets before I leave. I just want to get sunlight after work, even in the winter. Give me permanent summer time.
I don’t actually care which one gets picked, I just wish we’d stop changing twice a year. I really like the “move the clocks 30 minutes and then don’t touch them again” option too. Seems like it would be a decent compromise to me.
Work on a different schedule, or move South where the daylight hours don’t change as much.
Can’t tell if boomer or trust fund baby.
Neither, just learned not to care where the sun is.
Working night shifts is even worse for you.
You must not live in the Northeast.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, put us on permanent UTC-4. I can’t do another winter of only observing the sun on the weekends
China has one single time across the country which covers multiple timezones. Also there is no daylight savings. Just one time, all the time. So easy.
China’s freedom of speech index is 178 out of 180, making it the third worst in the world. So oppressive.
I can say random China facts too.
What’s that have to do with time keeping?
It’s a bit like reddit on here that anything China is bad, Japan is awesome and US is the best country in the world.
Lapping up the propanda as intended.
Wow the reporters without borders questionaire data. Amazing!
Fetterman or some other idiot from a backwater will kill it.
Kinda funny as the people I know most against it are parents with kids.
