Hunger Games is about revolutionary anti-imperial class struggle
George Lucas said the Empire is inspired by America and the Rebels by the Viet Minh
The Matrix was created by a trans woman and at least partly an allegory for being trans
Divergent is shitty lib fanfiction but very obviously anti-conservative
Alan Moore was a communist or anarchist
wow these movies are just like January 6th when we resisted communism by smearing our shit on the capitol walls!! 
The villain in the hunger games is literally called Capital
even more exact its called The Capital
or in german: Das Kapital
Aha! So the bad guys ARE the communists, why else would they be named after his book?
it’s german for “the capital, the”
i was trying to be clever
it was good, i was riffing!
I don’t know whats going on anymorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre WHATS REAL WHATS FANTASY ALL I KNOW IS I NEED BIG TITS
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No metropolis that speaks german could be an evil villain!
The Kurt Russel profile picture is from Death Proof where he plays a psycho car guy that kills women.
lol, I didn’t notice it was Kurt/make the connection. I was just like, “wow this guy made a massive effort to try and make smoking seem cool. is this the 60s?”
It’s a well acted character that gets his comeuppance but it is telling the guy used it for his profile. It’s like a boomer version of a Tyler Durden profile pic.
So. Basically. Wyatt is an asshole and no one should listen to him.
Eh, as much as I like Star Wars, the rebels and the empire are both narratively and aesthetically vague enough that people can imprint their politics on them pretty easily. The Empire can be Trump, or Biden, or Stalin or Hitler, the rebels can be communists or libertarian sovereign state weirdos. It’s just “little guy vs big guy”, the specifics of the politics can be whatever you want them to be. I think that’s why we all geeked out over Andor cuz Andor actually put some narrative meat on the rebels backstory that made them a bit more clearly leftist inspired.
I’ve grown skeptical of media that can generic “rebels” fighting generic “empires” cuz the truth is everyone thinks of themselves as the underdog, so everyone is gonna think they’re the rebels. It’s not leftist coded it’s just basic storytelling.
The Ewoks get a lot of shit but they’re like very clearly a jungle militia á la the viet cong, albeit with George Lucas’ weird racism about them being some sort of tribal backwater.
Even with that, I see a lot of “noble savage” good guys in lib media too, the hero’s find some tribe of hippies who worship a tree or whatever and they help them fight the cartoonishly evil corporation run by a slug demon or something. Libs just see them as hippies who love nature and free love and CHUDs just see them as trad who are free from 5G towers and the idea the earth is round. There’s no actual anti-colonialism analysis there just vibes.
Again I like Star Wars and think Lucas was trying to be progressive in his own 70s boomer way but it is mostly just a SciFi fairy tale with good guys and bad guys with some vague left v right coding, vague enough everyone can put their own spin on it.
I generally agree on your statement with the vagueness here, especially once you factor in stuff like the force and such, but I don’t think a chud is going to look at an Ewok and think “based, this is me”. They’re too cute coded for that
Probably not, but still if you asked a Chud Star Wars fan about the Ewoks they’d probably pull something like that out of their ass. They’ve probably never thought about it much till someone inquires them about it, then they manifest some sort of explanation for it.
FYI, I’ve met a decent number of CHUDs who have a fetishized admiration for Native Americans. As stupid as that sounds they seem to be into the idea of society of trad men who hunt buffalo all day. Of course they think the US was totally justified in genociding them and that modern Native Americans are all lazy drunks but they think the aesthetics are cool cuz it lines up with their BS imagine if independent men living off the land or whatever.
the hero’s find some tribe of hippies who worship a tree or whatever and they help them fight the cartoonishly evil corporation run by a slug demon or something
Based and Ferngully: The Last Rainforestpilled
The “both sides” argument really doesn’t work when one side builds and uses a gun that blows up planets lololol. I don’t know what was vague about the Death Star hahahaha
Yeah there’s really only one allegory in history for the Death Star and it’s the Americans nuking Japan. All the bad guys are white men with British accents and dress like Nazis. Lucas couldn’t have been less subtle. There’s no political commissars, no “big brother” posters, none of the usual vague allusions to the evil Soviets that most generic bad guys get saddled with. No one wears an ushanka or a greatcoat. The enemy soldiers are literally called Stormtroopers. They use gigantic battleships to launch swarms of fighter aircraft with which to attack the good guys. Their super-weapon is their absolute trump-card and the whole military side of the narrative revolves around destroying
America’s nuclear capacitythe Death Star.Also even though the prequels are pretty much considered a mess, they do reveal something about Lucas. Because of the prequel movies we understand them to be the story of how the Republic turned away from democracy and became the fascist Empire, but really before the prequel movies came out the established lore of the clone wars was VERY vague and was pretty much just considered the “before times” and mythologized a lot for the sake of whatever book or comic or whatever was referencing at the time. This means that during the production of the prequels with the lack of solid lore about the clone wars, Lucas made the conscious effort to fill that hole and tell the story about how a liberal democracy can turn into a fascist regime it wasn’t like an accident or anything, dude is just political like that albeit those politics are made into movies for children.
Blowing up a planet is just a generic “evil thing”, it’s like kidnapping a princess or burning down a village. People can imprint their values onto it, if you point out that their side has done the equivalent of planet blowing uping plenty, even more than the people they perceive as “The Empire” they can just dream up some justification.
Back to Andor, Andor shows The Empire doing evil shit that’s a much closer analog to actual evil shit actual empire is doing in the world right now, it’s harder to deny your side is The Empire the (though CHUDs will always at least try and pull off the mental gymnastics to do so).
Edit: also idk where you got “both sides” from my comment, my argument wasn’t that Star Wars isn’t clear on who the villain is, quite the opposite, just that’s it’s politics are vague enough that people can imagine the villains as being anyone they don’t like. CHUDs see the Empire as culture-Marxist woke SJWs just as easily as leftists see the Empire as the U$A.
Andor was almost too good for star wars
the whole “the empire is basically using slavery and ramping up the horror to try to build the death star (analog for first atomic bomb) as fast as possible before the risk of a popular revolt becomes impossible to defend against”.
the fact you could tell their political and military hold on power was very flimsy at first and they had to use liberal institutions and direct military occupation but had to move carefully at first.
if the whole “I DECLARE AN EMPIRE” thing palps did in the prequels could be retconned it would be almost perfection
explains so much in the end and deeply tied to material reality it breathed life into what i thought was a dead franchise and i dread the next season with how rushed it’s going to be
The point of the whole “I DECLARE AN EMPIRE” bit was that he didn’t change the role of the republic much. The two were fundamentally the same at the time of the clone wars and the republic couldn’t stop it. It’s just a Hindenburg allegory.
i know i just wish he didn’t say the line
could have just declared himself “lifetime chancellor ushering in a new Imperium” and by the next installment people are talking about palpatine’s “Empire” and then just “the Empire”
I love it because it is so blatant. I want Star Wars to be cartoonish with that shit honestly. Lucas making his Nixon/Bush stand in declare himself Hitler is just funny
Yeah people need to remember these are movies for children and that hamfisted nature should be expected.
“I DECLARE AN EMPIRE”
that’s a good bit idea for those solidjj videos
Vauge enough? Lol. No.
Vague is probably not the right word.
It’s a story that relies on aesthetics a lot, which is fine in and of itself, but people can imprint on aesthetics they like fairly easily provided they aren’t too blatant with their imagery.
There’s no real discussion of the politics of The Empire or Rebels, The Empire is just bad, the Rebels good. Sure The Empire all dress like Nazis and are clean cut white dudes with British accents, and the Rebels look more scruffy and rag tag, but I can easily perform the mental gymnastics necessary to take a right wing read of that.
But when the creator says the rebels are based off the Vietcong and when you combine that with the fact that he believed filmmakers in the USSR had generally more freedom to be creative compared to western filmmakers, it doesn’t seem so vague at that point.
In this day and age it doesn’t surprise me that people can take a story that’s very overt and wrap it into something it’s not. That doesn’t mean that it’s a correct reading.
It shouldn’t really be a huge stretch to assume that anyone willing to immolate civilian farmers and build unwieldy superweapons that serve no purpose but annihilating planets isn’t on the level, but people surprise me
Yes, the vast majority of proleterian right-wingers do genuinely believe they are fighting the evil system that oppresses us. This is simply effective propaganda at play.
It really is amazing to see how much they really think the democrats are Stalin and they are the kids in red dawn.
yeah, no shit, nobody identifies with the bad guys because they don’t consider themselves the bad guys, allegory can’t defeat negative media literacy
nobody identifies with the bad guys
The absolute fucking moment Trump re-takes office, you’re going to see Donald Trump / Darth Vader mash ups, with the Death Star blowing up a planet tagged “Woke Libs” and Vader choking a guy labeled “Biden Voters”.
I mean hell, Zelensky did that flashy promo for the war while wearing that t-shirt explicitly saying “Join the Dark Side”
You see two sides, one wearing civilian clothes and flight suits; the other wearing Nazi uniforms and blowing up planets and their brains are too fuckin’ scrambled to see which one is the side you’re supposed to root for
was always suspcious of anyone who was like “the Empire just looks cooler and has better gear/asethetics”
never got that. even as a kid. the rebel alliance had combined arms tactics, brilliant generals/admirals, special forces commando teams, used camo, carried more advanced infantry weapons and used vastly superior, albeit outnumbered, combat space craft
like how tf do you root for the human wave/swarm tactics guys who cheap out on even basic defenses for their space craft?
space battleships are pretty cool, imperial prop direction wasn’t exactly ugly either. basically everything in star wars had to look ‘cool’ for merchandising after all. actually thinking about it that Han Solo movie & Andor were the only installments that had the imperials looking mostly ugly & unpleasant. everything else the costumiers can’t resist making a new cool design to sell toys with
cool designs sure. battlefield tactics and their military is terrible, like both in the lore and just on screen as well
And yet, some of the worst Empireheads are the old EU nerds
They point at Grand Admiral Thrawn just like all the Wehraboos who idolize Rommel
And guys, I don’t think being a fan of the “brilliant tactical mind who fights for their empire despite disagreeing with it ideologically” trope makes a difference
just like Rommel’s ‘disagreement’ with the Nazis is overwrought and superficial; Thrawn was still a fascist, just less racist by virtue of being a Blue Guy
guys who cheap out on even basic defenses for their space craft
Hey, “good enough” aircraft can be cool
I dunno what to tell you here, their shit looks slick.
i was personally into the helmet design. Darth Vader has that obvious samurai helmet combined with a gas mask thing going on.
Stormtrooper helmet just look neat ig
The Imperial navy troopers, Imperial gunners, walker crew officers, and the Rebels of ANH all have WW2 US navy talker helmets
Lucas said the stormtrooper helmets were based off the stalhelm.
Wait, I thought the guy in OP was a leftist pointing out right wing stupidity.
Then i saw the second image.
TFW you love Capitalism but you hate the reality it has created
Trump is just gonna to do Capitalism In One County and it’s going to be awesome.
He’s at least a hundred years late for that.
Nah. We’ve been going International Capitalism, which is bad because it involves the inferior foreigners.
He’s going to do a kind of Hothouse Capitalism, where you only let in a tiny bit of stuff from the outside world and the rest of the capitalism is entirely domestic.
Rebel in the name of the status quo
lolLiterally me screaming at my switch the whole time I played the game
Bruh 😭😭😭😭😭😭 don’t hurt me like that I loved P5 but all that revolutionary potential was completely wasted
I named my team Bolshevik and all for nothing
I named mine Tankie lmao 😭
Alright, let’s start a struggle session:
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Was Maruki right?
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I still haven’t played the Royal ending, but I think I’m far enough in NG+ to guess - is he just doing the “I’m going to make everyone a big blob” anime plot?
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Hahaha, pretty much that’s what it gets reduced to. They foreshadow it even. He steps in as a substitute teacher on one of the days, and his bit is on ‘‘totalitarianism’’. So they’re already doing the anticom stuff of saying everyone will be the same, use the same toothbrush, be conformists, etc. So when you finally see what he’s up to, you’re primed to think that his solution is just turning everybody into that caricature.
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It’s always the same anime plot lol
I remember the bit you’re talking about - he asks something like “what’s the difference between authoritarianism and totalitarianism” and the right answer is something like “totalitarianism involves control of public discourse” or something
like that
no it says “resistance”, they watched the shitty star wars
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It was also told in an incredibly clumsy way. Matrix 2 and 3 needed more time in the oven before shooting. There’s nothing glaringly bad aside from some cgi but it’s a case of everything needing just a bit of fine tuning. They felt very loose and rushed at the same time and it was hard to ground yourself in the movies as an audience member, no one is relatable at this point. There’s good stuff there but the execution needed tightening pretty much everywhere.
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I don’t even really dislike the movies, it’s just very easy to see what’s weak about them and it’s more frustrating because they’re pretty clearly due to not having enough time and I can see better movies within them thst just didn’t have the time to fully coagulate. Matrix 4 fucking ruled tho
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Also it made people I don’t like angry
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I do kinda mean that in a less petty way than I would for most movies cause I’m pretty sure it was the main reason it was even made
My first comment on seeing 4 was “that was very discourse”
for the rest of american history people who dislike the current president are going to imagine themselves as a guerilla fighting force waging protracted people’s war from the mountains. then when their guy finally wins the election, the other side gets their four years to do it.
Bit idea: Voting for Biden as a kindness to Trumpers so they get a chance to live the fantasy
“Scoff, it’s Physics 101! Right off wikipedia “Electrical resistivity is a fundamental specific property of a material that measures how strongly it resists current.” See, The Resistance always fights against what’s new. Ergo, The Resistance is always, by definition, on the side of preserving the status quo.”The aesthetics of rebellion be freely used by reactionary movements or literally anyone at all at any point
Fascists (the most cynical people on earth) know this
I hate the people who’re so cynical you can’t just openly be cynical around them, because if you try suddenly they become paragons of sincerity and act like cynicism is some moral evil. Bunch of cut-throat assholes.
Why are we referring to Alan Moore in the past tense as if he’s dead?
He’s a chaos majick practitioner and has become a lich years ago
Fair.
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