Now the left needs to be hammered relentlessly so that they learn their lesson from this. You can not “redeem” yourself as a military service person unless you relentlessly hammer home that it was wrong, that you regret being in it, and that you condemn it. They must dedicate their lives to opposition to it and redemption. The redeemable veterans are like Mike Prysner.
And they need to fucking learn that this “oh but joining the military is ok” shit is absurd. It’s not. It’s never ok. There are no leftist soldiers and there are no leftist veterans unless they’re deeply opposed to the military and what it does.
You can’t be a pro or even neutral-military leftist. All the good veterans are anti-military and all the good leftists are also anti-military.
I don’t even fucking understand who they think they’re pandering to by babying military personnel. Do they think that by telling them what they do is fine they will come around and become leftists? Pro-imperialism leftists? Like wtf is anyone in the left thinking? The only military personnel that are likely to become leftists are the ones seeing what the military is doing and reacting with sheer horror and guilt at it all.
This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid. Their sole responsibility within any org unlucky enough to be saddled with these useless dead weight should be moving heavy boxes from point A to point B and even then they might fuck that up somehow.
This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid.
I’m not entirely convinced. I think the people who supported Platner are more likely to be compromised than stupid. Hasan for example has spent literally years upon years diverting people who were ostensibly moving left and convincing them to vote democrat. Even if he had legitimate left wing politics at some point, that point is far behind him now.
A lot of them are both compromised and fools. Idk if Hasan is also a fool or just compromised. I’m inclined to say also a fool because even a vet apologist could have seen Platner as being a liability far beyond the typical smol bean proud veteran and taken any of several offramps to more openly disavow him.
Hasan has simply found his niche and is growing within it. If he abandoned unprincipled electoralism he would have less to speak about that’s relevant to the news articles and videos he comes across live on stream and have no chance of being invited to electoralist events to do solo pundit things.
He may understand this as maximizing his relevance and bringing people left through it, but of course that’s the exact same logic of opportunism and tailism. Supporting a war criminal Nazi settles the debate of which it is, lol.
Yep. Smart compromised people would be on the “Platner is a Nazi goon” wagon from day 1 so they can reap their leftist cred harvest when the campaign inevitably and predictably collapses.
Very fair point, yeah. Compromised and a total dipshit.
Engels already told us what “people” like Hasan were in 1892. They speculate on the discontent of the lower classes in order to sell them out to one of the big parties afterward.
I think a little of column A, a little of column B: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
some people are dumb, some people are malicious, some people are both.
The party, however, IMO is both, and it should be treated as such.
Hasan is a class traitor, plain and simple. He got money, and now it’s no longer in his interest to have those opinions that got him his money.
Hasan has always openly been a reformist when it comes to American politics, despite happily platforming MLs and doing theory sessions. He has mentioned many times in the past that this has always been a sticking point with people further to his left with him.
This isn’t a new thing.
Meh, his class character changed and he is now acting in the interests of his new class. Makes him a piece of shit but not necessarily a traitor. He has joined the bourgeoisie and now acts for them… Not exactly treachery;)
he wasn’t exactly a proletarian previously. but yes it is class interests that lead him to this
I dont really know enough about Hasan, tbh. I’d just seen his fans defending him by saying he was.
They didn’t say “proletarian” because theyre libs but still
If they weren’t stupid, why did Platner’s campaign collapse so stupidly?
I’m talking about the various political commentators who couldn’t stop glazing the guy, not his campaign, but fine - stupid and compromised.
No, like, now all those political commentators just took a hit to their reputations. This made them look stupid, too.
A nice pretty rake was set out in front of them and then they all lined up to step on it, one after another.
What was the point?
I commented this else where but I really think it is just electoralism brainworms where you always have to vote for someone and in this case on paper Platner’s policies were what they wanted to see over the other person. Since its only about the election and the policies to these people, they are forced to ignore the glaring issues with Platner because the election is happening anyway, someone has to run, and the only other person was a zionist. they have an extremely myopic worldview where they need to win as many seats as possible to prove socialism is good or something and so anyone who says “yeah sure I’m a socialist” is automatically their candidate over someone not saying that.
10000000000%
Yeah… Compromised and stupid.
100%. People should stop acting like being a proud veteran doesn’t say anything bad about you as a person. This guy killed people. I repeat, he killed people. He has aleardy demonstrated the capacity for violence far beyond what vast majority of the population is capable of. Is sexual violence really that much of a leap from what he’s done in Iraq?
And even that’s assuming he didn’t do sexual violence in Iraq, which he would have had ample opportunity to do
You can’t be a pro or even neutral-military leftist. All the good veterans are anti-military and all the good leftists are also anti-military.
I assume from context you are referring to specifically USA/imperial militaries and not, for example, China’s PLA
If a PLA vet ran for the Senate I would commit voter fraud for them
Yes
Even here I’m seeing people act like no one could have seen this coming and Platner betrayed them, etc. rather than acknowledging that it was always extremely obvious that he was an unprincipled Nazi piece of shit and people have been pointing it out for months. I don’t believe anything will change and I also don’t think anyone who was ever willing to support that imperialist POS can be reasonably believed to be on the left.
Lmao where? I’m genuinely surprised if that’s the case I’ve never seen it anywhere here. Is it like just 1 person with a bad take?
I’m probably just salty about the one or two people I saw here being ride or die for him and misrepresenting theory to do so tbqh. Plus I have been reading truly revolting comments about this whole shemozzle on other platforms:/
If they’re dumb enough to still believe “participating” in in American politics let them cry in pain. They have it coming.
Only Vet I would vote for is Mike Pysner
There are no leftist veterans. There are no leftist former veterans unless they’re deeply opposed to the military and what it does.
Just for clarity, do you mean there are no leftist soldiers and there are only leftist former soldiers (i.e. current veterans) if they disavow their past actions and oppose the military?
Yes. Iffy wording on my part there.
This entire thing is a culture war that needs to happen. The worship of military and service has to be attacked. There is no case for defending it, the only reason people do defend it is because they’ve been brought up in environments where vocally not supporting the troops would result in their social lives being made uncomfortable. It’s a cult that reinforces itself socially and the left has to be pulled out of it.
I absolutely agree, just making sure I understood what you meant.
post 2003 i think 100% of the excuse is gone. even with all the propaganda we’re fed you should be able to look at that and understand what the US military is and does.
I think we have to keep in mind that the american “left” is a baby that has only existed since Bernie’s 2020 campaign. Everything before that time has been filtered through the liberal worldview. Any americans that were old enough to be an adult and switched on to politics in 2003 probably supported it but felt there were “bad actors” among them but the troops are mostly good.
Additionally the only filter they got that information through was liberal media of 2003. It’s long long before social media which is showing the criminality of war more than the liberal filter of television would do in the past. If Israel’s actions today happened in 2003 almost nobody would know about the genocide and all the Israeli narratives would’ve succeeded. The media wouldn’t have had to show anything bad at all, they would’ve hid it all.
So we’re dealing with a left that is just 6 years old and only has experience with those 6 years. Everything else doesn’t exist or has the distorted worldview. This will change, especially when the US has to put troops somewhere and the conduct of those troops shows they’re indistinguishable to the IDF. They will not be able to stop it from hitting social media.
You can not “redeem” yourself as a military service person unless you relentlessly hammer home that it was wrong, that you regret being in it, and that you condemn it.
You’re still giving them too much room. There can be no forgiveness. Ideally we’d defund the VA and let the problem sort itself out but that won’t happen. You will never get the average American to stand against the military because military atrocities are what gets them their treats.
You’re still giving them too much room. There can be no forgiveness. Ideally we’d defund the VA and let the problem sort itself out but that won’t happen
The opposite, you fund the VA so well that they heal, and if they don’t want to heal, dope them up so much they can’t even lift their arm, let alone a rifle, against the communist cause.
His campaign implosion has nothing to do with his military service.
I’m not saying it’s why his campaign imploded. I’m saying that being an unrepentant murderer that proudly killed brown people for 3 tours and then also joined the world’s most infamous merc company SHOULD make someone completely unviable to anyone that considers themselves left. He is not left. He travelled around the world murdering people for imperialism. He enjoyed murdering people for imperialism.
This is not left wing. This kind of person will never ever be left wing. This kind of person pretending to be left wing will always blow up in your face, because this kind of person has done more horrible shit than is out there.
Nobody in the military can be left wing. It’s as simple as that.
The military’s job is to be the enforcers of imperialism abroad. The cop’s job is to be the enforcers of imperialism at home.
Do you think your local ICE officer kicking down doors and kidnapping brown people can be left wing? No? Then why do you think the same fucking person doing it abroad can be left wing?
The reason is because you’ve been raised surrounded by people grinning and nodding along and saying “oh yes the veterans they fight for our freedom, they are good people, hmm yes yes, good people” over and over and over, reinforcing it to you, over and over and over. Anyone who does not do so is socially harmed for not doing so, which reinforces it further and creates an endless cycle of it. And because you don’t see it happen, you don’t hear about the horros they perform from the people around you, you don’t think they’re that bad. But they are. Their behaviour abroad has always been entirely indistinguishable from all the videos you’ve seen of the IDF’s conduct. You simply haven’t seen it because the US hasn’t been an invading force yet in the age of social media, and the older content gets fobbed off as “bad apples” because it’s only a small amount of content. The US as an invading force is going to come though, and everyone will see the same thing we see with the IDF.
Nazi, war criminal, merc, cmon theres so many red flag.
Like at least I can see the rationale behind why people would support zohran, but why the fuck would you want “progressive movement” to be represented by a guy who thinks nazi tattoos are cool is beyond me.
the way people fell over themselves making excuses for that shit and believing he didn’t know it was, what, the number 3 nazi symbol? swastika, ss bolts, totenkopf? completely ridiculous
Like, not knowing about it when you have had nothing to do with it is one thing. American education legitimately sucks, I get it. Not knowing about it when it has been tattooed on your chest for the better part of two decades, though? Come on now. Even if that were true (it is not, he absolutely fucking knew) it should be disqualifying because you shouldn’t want to put someone in a position of power who is so incurious that they wore a Nazi symbol on their chest for nearly 20 years without ever looking into it!
Not just a position of power, but a ‘progressive’ who’s going to take on both the democrats and the republicans without getting sidelined, co-opted, or paid off. If he were genuinely that clueless, we could expect him to be a talked into staunch zionism his first week in office, and then a year after his term ended, say he just found out that that meant supporting isreal.
But but but
rallied people around him!Initially I MAYBE could have bought the idea that he thought it was a “pirate skull and bones”, but the more I learned about the guy the more that line went out the window.
Mainely he shucked oysters, wore flannel, and a beard like the Mouth of Sauron’s teeth.
Commies were shitting on this guy 9 months ago and commies are always right.
Honestly, why would you even run in the first place if you’ve done anything even remotely questionable.
Yeah, nobody wants any more incredibly groomed dweebs whose families have been prepping them for office since middle school, but come on.
How dumb are people that they assume they’ll be able to get away with anything more serious than shoplifting gum once as a child when they’re subject to the most scrutiny anyone could reasonably expect to see in their life? You’re invariably going to have like 10,000 journalists digging for any scoop they can find on you, and they’re not going to leave any stone unturned.
because am*ricans excused literally everything else about him
This stuff is never about what voters think or care about, because they never care.
It’s about what the party establishment wants, and someone with any dirt on them at all is unfathomably stupid to attempt to counter the establishment. At best, this behaviour is pure selfishness but in all likelihood is calculated behavior to wreck leftist organizations.
This is unrelated, but has anyone ever told you your signature image looks like it says “you have nothing to lose but your penis”?
tbh still works
tbh still works
funnily enough, yes!
Because otherwise how else will your CIA/Blackwater buddies pay you? He and the people behind him literally thought it was as easy to scam dem voters as it was republican voters. Which, I mean, is a fair conclusion to draw overall, but not quite accurate. It’s just almost as easy.
Sorry, gonna have to tap on the sign here. That voters didn’t care at all about him being a literal professional torturer at Abu Ghraib should tell you that American voters do not care about anything like this.
Tara Reade got completely smeared and had zero impact on Biden’s campaign. It’s not about scamming the voters at all with this stuff, it’s purely about who the party establishment wants to support or capsize.
The political class doesn’t care about assault, they care about their centrist caucus. If Platner was a Zionist running against a DSA candidate, the entirety of the US media machine would be tripping over themselves to discredit the accuser right now.
This is not defense of Platner, I don’t think he should have even been permitted to announce his candidacy in the first place and Ryan Grim should find himself in the woodshed for propping him up.
Honestly Ryan grim needs to be purged. I know Hasan and others get a lot of (deserved) hate but Grim’s dead ender shit was really disgusting
True enough but I think dropping Hasan is more urgent if only because of the size of his following and, frankly, the ridiculous levels of grace people are willing to give him despite the fact that his only real role for the past few years has been to promote democrats.
He gave his audience a new left bashing insult when he gets any pushback on electrolism, ultra. But since it is already used in football, I’ll just call myself ultra tankie.
The terms “ultra-left” and “left-communist” have been in use since the 1920s, and describe the tendencies put forward by Bordiga, Ruhlë, and Pannekoek. You can read Lenin’s thoughts on these do-nothings in “Left-Wing” Communism: An Infantile Disorder.
The term’s use in football didn’t show up until the 1960s.
Sounds like something from communist voltron
I don’t buy this at all. Not going to say he’s a true ally, but his work for the NYC DSA slate and also AES and Cuba suggest he’s more than just a grifter to me.
If his goal is to make Mamdani unremarkable, our goal should be to make Hasan unremarkable, but I don’t think dumping him is actually the way to do so. Just my .02 but it feels like there’s way more obvious targets out there (Grim after this platner shit, liberals and right wingers) than someone who is already far to the left of the Overton window in America and generally avoids the worst kinds of slopulism. The fact he’s never backed down on trans rights, Palestine,etc. even though it would have been the easiest pivot suggests he’s in good faith even if he’s still an electoralist.
Just my .02 and obviously you’re welcome to disagree but I think there’s way more important targets than someone who pushes for the most left candidates our current system offers. Our job, in union organizing (what I do) and other forms of power is to produce the real material leverage that can change the system beyond electoralism.
Hasan is an electoralist at the end of the day though. For those of us who see it as one strategy (and I should say, my personal position is electoralism is a means to an end, it can open up space for organizing wins ( i.e. if right wing administrations produce organizing energy, left wing organizations make it slightly easier to do the actions to get real wins for my members. This isn’t to say you can’t strike under a right wing admin, but there’s definitely more contingencies in that case. Just my .02)).
I’d rather have someone like DAC in office when my union strikes since they might actually show up at the picket like and push the administrative state to pressure my bosses. That’s just my perspective though, and obviously I understand that anti electoralist comrades think that’s not worth it in the grand scheme. Still, if Hasan got someone like that elected in my state/district, I think it would be worth it.
imo it’s not a question of whether Platner is sincere, but why, even if he is sincere, he thinks he is the right leader in this place and moment.
For example: I sincerely believe in liberation for LGBTQIA+, black liberation, etc; but, seeing as I don’t fit those categories, I understand it would be inappropriate for me to take up the mantle of leadership for those causes. I’m relegated to a support role, and that’s ok.
yeah where was this energy when it was Cuomo trying to keep Mamdani down?
It’s that simple. Voters don’t actually care, it’s just another weapon for the establishment to use against outsider candidates.
They’ll prop up a thousand Bidens and Cuomos and Weiners and Swallwells for years because the establishment doesn’t actually care either. They’ll disappear Al Franken when all they have is a pic of him doing hover hands over a plate carrier so they could repeal Dodd-Frank or Eric Massa for tickling a male staffer so they can pass Obamacare instead of single-payer.
If you’re challenging the establishment in any way, you just have to be Mr. Rogers tier squeaky clean.
Honestly, why would you even run in the first place if you’ve done anything even remotely questionable.
real political power comes from getting away with shit.
You get approached by a Democratic Party handler who says “Hey kid you want to run for Senate in Maine?” And you say “Uh sure” and they assure you “Don’t worry about your past we can make that all go away or spin it into a non-issue, whatever it is.” And you think, well, they must know what they’re doing!
Something like that.
Someone posted an article the other day that was about there was some Democratic Kingmaker who handpicked Platner to run for Senate after seeing a short video of him speaking
Not to rely on the image of the scheming vizier helping someone attain power so that they themselves can ride on their coattails…
But that’s basically exactly what happened
Yeah, real stupid on the part of that dem operative to not do their due diligence.
Like half the time all you gotta do to avoid a scandal like this is hire a PI and you’ll figure out the candidate is nonviable within a couple of weeks.
Literally only vetted him for two days
Most up-and-comers are vetted for a month at least
Yes, but our president is literally the man with most dirt on earth, his election encourages fellow scums and criminals to run for office
People keep drawing parallels between this and the Epstein stuff but I don’t think it’s really comparable.
Like, wasn’t part of Epstein’s whole deal was he was discrete enough that while he himself eventually got busted more of his “clients” don’t have any smoking gun evidence against them? Neither Trump or Clinton or anyone else I think has had any dead to right shit come out against them. This means their supporters have enough plausible deniability that they can act like their guy just happened to hang with Epstein and didn’t know about all the shit going down (but the OTHER guy TOTALLY did).
Meanwhile Platner’s accuser actually posted receipts, which combined with all the other CONFIRMED shit we know about him paints a picture that there’s no plausible deniability with.
they were willing to overlook so much twisted shit and turns out they wouldnt care if it wasn’t a white usian woman.
the platner arc really drove me the point the country is unredeemable. usians can be so gross.
turns out they wouldnt care if it wasn’t a white usian woman.[…]
…who isn’t elephant-branded. Previous accusations of abuse were from a woman who was labeled a “Republican operative” by the donkey-branded liberals. And his current accuser only came out non-anonymously because people wouldn’t believe her.
Just like that all the momentum captured and dusted just as planned. The Obvious Plant has been harvested. Agent Bearded Oyster can go back undercover until the next activation.
Honestly kind of stunned he actually dropped out. After all the Nazi shit came out and he didn’t budge, I thought maybe he had some of that Teflon Don sauce going for him. Guess not. Bye loser!
i’d bet money he could’ve been all “nah i’m staying in, blue no matter who” and been fine.
it’s some 40k shit where he’s only vulnerable to it because he thinks he is.
Or he’s done more and he’s sincerely afraid he would face prison for it. The nazi has a closet full of horrible shit he’s done that we’ll never know.
Soldiers facing prison for SA or worse? If The Fort Bragg Cartel taught me anything it’s that guys like that get promotions
A number of his erstwhile defenders were angry and felt misled by the sexual assault allegation Monday, the breaking point for his allies. Platner had promised Democrats there wouldn’t be stories of that nature coming out, two people with knowledge of the assurances told NBC News.
Take anonymous sources with a grain of salt, of course. But it seems like this was the red line for the other social democrats who had endorsed him, possibly because he had reassured them he didn’t have these specific skeletons in his closet, after all his other scandals. Even if plenty of his supporters were ready to go full MAGA for him, I’m not sure he’d survive all those figures calling for him to drop out.
oh wow. my “i swear i have never done any SA shirt” etc etc
Libs going around like, “There were no red flags” meanwhile his closest political allies were like, “You never SA’d anybody… right?”
greeting everyone i meet with strong eye contact, a firm handshake, and a vehement denial of any sexual misconduct
smdh the boyz forgot to paint themselves blue for good luck
I dunno how conspiratorial I want to get but the tattoo coverup or lack thereof and the merc work had me fairly convinced he was basically a MIC plant to get ahead of the democrats moving leftward
Like I’m fully convinced the pentagon has its own electoral manipulation wing and guys like Platner come out of it
It’s not surprising if you understand that Maine voters in the Democratic primary literally didn’t care or were happy to excuse it, he won his election in a landslide
I saw a great comment on YouTube of all places that the other problem with Platner is that he has no org behind him, no real plan, no discipline, no nothing - he was effectively a vigilante candidate and therefore even if he weren’t such a piece of shit he still could never have been effective. One anti Israel politician, in the openly Zionist democratic party? What do you think will come of that? Nothing except for him to be made to act against his supposed anti-israel beliefs.
Not just that. An org can always do one-way support to get a candidate elected and then have no means or desire for discipline once they are in v office. This is the norm for US organizations that support electoral candidates.
So the org itself must prioritize discipline and be ready to cut any elected official loose. Unfortunately, the orgs most interested in electoralism are inherently the least principled and most opportunist and view simply having someone elected in their name as the main goal and success in itself.
That’s what I meant by “no discipline”, but I certainly could have been clearer:)
therefore even if he weren’t such a piece of shit
There is no such thing as a non-POS Democrat.
I never said there was.
Mark my words, he’s going to appear on Tucker in a month.
I say Joe Rogan and he’s going to do a “why I left the left” interview.
That’s a possibility as well. The reason I said Tucker is because he openly talked about liking Platner. That says a lot.
Well of course Tucker likes him, he couldn’t be more compatible with Tucker’s plan to co-opt the pro Palestine movement
Didn’t know that
On Tucker he could announce he’s “interested” in what the GOP is doing. And when Tucker asks him if that means he’s considering switching parties he could say his goals are greater than mere labels.
he is going to be in a Daily Wire movie
The Maine Hero
I ran for US Senate and all I got was my sick totenkopf covered up.
And the tattoo he got to cover it up looks like a Nazi tattoo too!
It’s some weird ugly Celtic knot with a wolf and it’s like, great, he’s a Wotanist too!
That’s low key the funniest part of this. Him covering his Nazi tattoo with a Nazi-adjacent one and being like, “now you can’t be mad, it’s not directly Nazi anymore just Nazi aesthetic”
Yeah, I am just so tired of finding out how willing the “Left” in the USA is to basically ignore about fifteen foghorns just because a mid-looking white guy is like “What if the spoils of war were used to benefit the plebs a little more?”
this kind of thing is why i think it’s kinda silly when people accuse platner of being a plant. nah man i think he’s just a homicidal complete dumbass
Por que no los dos?
He did exactly what he was supposed to do, sabotage the Democratic party by “coming in from the left” and then immediately blowing up at the landing pad.
he also created resentment in his base with that shitty dropout video, making sure they won’t vote, and thus saving democrats from the horror of possibly having senate majority.
The sooner I never have to hear about the Platner discourse again, the better
seriously. if i wanted to put up with this much maine news, id fukn move there and work at the bear factory or whatever.
bear factory
Do they make bears
Or bears
You want bears, you go to Grafton, NH
Former home of the Free State movement in New Hampshire
Gonna get a job at the Moxie factory and get them to make Moxie flavored whoopie pies
Bye bozo
Can he end his life too or is he gonna need some help with that
Here’s the resignation video. It’s 11 minutes long. He’s still denying any wrongdoing. He says that he’s suspending the campaign at 7 minutes into the video. He claims that he’s resigning because the Democrat Establishment won’t let him win and not because of the allegations. It reminds me of the Trumpism: “They’re not coming after me. They’re coming after you and I’m just standing in their way”.
https://nitter.net/grahamformaine/status/2075009677495058687#m
