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I said it before and I’ll say it again. My father was 5’5" and had 3 wives, all taller than him, and still managed to cheat on all of them. The only thing holding short kings back is themselves.
May all your holiday gatherings only last exactly as long as you desire, and may a refreshing alcoholic beverage always be at hand. 📿🙏
My father in law was also that tall and somehow convinced several beautiful women to marry him.
Maybe you and stopforgettingit are half-siblings from different marriages
Quarter siblings, but yes.
5’6" who had a 4’11" roommate in college and both of us were absolute HOUNDS.
I am happily married now. To a woman an inch and a half taller than me
5’7" is the average male height in the US btw, so it’s not like 5’6" is manlet territory. For whatever reason we have decided as a society that average male height is around 6 foot despite only 14.5% of American men being 6ft or taller.
I think it’s 5’9", in the U. S.; 5’7" is the average for the world.
Y’all need to get your affairs in order over in the US so I can move over there because at 5’10" I’m well below average in my country.
CDC data does show the average for males being 5’9" in the US though. 5’7" is the average globally. Over here the average is 6’ because I lucked into being a short king in the third tallest country in the world apparently.
Iceland?
Estonia
It’s so much nicer not having to work out logistics to smooch
maybe his growth spurt went into his dick instead of his height ? was his nickname horse ? Alas in my case it was the opposite.
I know we are talking about my short dad having gratuitous sex, but I never want to think of his penis again thx.
Incels are dumb as fuck.
I’m not dating short men, or men with a small penis, or men who are too fat, or balding men. I don’t date at all. Date is the sticky fruit from a palm tree. I love instead. First of all myself - because I can only love others as well as I can love myself. And also I love a short, small-penised, fat old balding guy without teeth. Because he isn’t insecure about any of those things. And I respect him very much because his feeling well with himself is clearly the result of some conscious effort that the nutsack-showing types have not done yet for themselves.
If you live in a world of ‘dating’ and ‘looks’ I don’t consider you a serious person I would eat dates with. Go be someone without the approval of others for a while. There is no dating pool. Love will find you from within your own heart.
Healthy blend of Advaita, Buddhist and Sufi philosophical thought here.
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I half agree with you, but I still take my wife out on dates. We’re having our last summer coffee brunch tomorrow before the school year really starts.
Enjoy your coffee brunch! Me going on against dates was more connected to the unavoidability of this concept in the minds of some people. It takes such a big important place in their life, success with dating becomes so important, that they forget to be a person first of all. So my comment was meant to question this reality rather than go full Taliban against brunch and lunch dates. I did a lunch date yesterday - because mornings are for outdoor work!
‘Hello, fellow girl here’
… really?
really?
“On the internet, bald people have hairs”
As a black man, I can tell you the OP is a real girl.
Its funny how there is literally a trope/meme for this whole “fake announcement of what I am” thing.
As a black man, I can tell you the OP is a real girl.
… oh my fucking god, this sentence… uggghhhhhhh hahaha… ow… my brain…
“Who’s up for some gaslighting tonight!”
I’m 5.5 and seem to have no problem at all, healthy diet, active lifestyle, and a decent personality goes along way. Proof of this is my 5.5 uncle, smoker, bigot, incel and generally not a likeable person, and he believes he’s owed a relationship and equally has never really had one.
man, I had a coworker who was all of 5’3", a smoker, nerd (love me nerds), kinda annoying (to me) never worked out outside of our physically demanding job, and with an actual medically diagnosed BO problem he needed special deodorant for. He had a loving girlfriend for all the years I knew him. She was thin like he was, and they were like peas in a pod and spent thier time off gaming together. He was Kind, and helpful, same as she was.
There is a lid for every pot
A person who thinks they are entitled to a relationship will struggle hard to get one. No one is entitled to this.
I have a a friend so similar to this I’d wonder if it was the same guy, except my buddy is on the chubbier side. He has the loveliest women in his life just by being kind and a great listener.
There are people who want to be pissed and shit on, and other people who can only cum via balloon popping, and other people still who need extreme racism in the bedroom to get off…
And people think the hard line is 6 foot, which statistically makes 0 sense as there exist short people in perfectly happy relationships.
A really short (but super buff) guy stole my mates ex-wife. Really nice guy though. Even my mate has no problem with him.
That being said, I do rock climbing, and the taller guys definitely have a general advantage… However, Alex Hannold is only 180cm, so, I don’t think it really matters
Whole Lee Shit. I know some short kings that aren’t complaining. Meanwhile I’m out here tall, single, and my back hurts.
I was there, young one, back when the ancient scripts were written.
T’was the early 00’s and I, as was fashionable at the time, used to use the information superhighway or “internet” as we call it now. Back then, a lot of men used to include “weight limits” on their dating profiles, catfishing being rather common back then. To counter this, a group of women started, and you’ll laugh here, adding “height minimums” to their dating profiles to poke fun at such presumptuous men.
Well, as you can imagine, those young men were so very angry, especially when fat-shaming became socially unacceptable, whereas height jokes became the norm.
Witticisms aside - the whole “height” issue incels raise has its roots in feminist trolling, which was aimed as a counter to weight shaming.
Oh that’s funny. Especially as weight maximums also tend to create height maximums
Rather - honestly when you accept that incels are just a counter-counter-culture (double counter intended) you can see the humour in it.
I just mean healthy tall women weigh more. A 6’ woman in decent shape weighs enough that were she 5’4" she’d be chubby
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
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I have literally never met a person that actually had a 6’ height requirement for dating. All of my girlfriends have dated men shorter than them at some point. I was married to a man an inch shorter than me and I had his kid. This is anecdotal and obviously there are some out there with this crazy requirement, but I do think it’s overblown online.
When people lead with their insecurities, it’s a turn off for most.
The first date I had with my current husband, I asked him why he had the line “I’m close to 6 feet if it matters” in his dating profile. He didn’t have a solid answer beyond thinking that’s what women wanted. I advised him to delete it because it’s leading with insecurity and most women don’t give a fuck and the women that DO give a fuck probably aren’t going to be good partners anyway.
Specifically I mean many women’s expressly stated prreference for men taller than them, not a 6-ft minimum. I agree with you on your dating advice,but also sympathize with people trying to figure out why they keep getting rejected on-line–the mind will always find a personal reason without acknowledging that online dating is intrinsically horrible.
Tall women have a similar disadvantage when dating as most men prefer to have partners that are shorter than them.
Dating kinda sucks.
I’m a tall woman who has dated mainly shorter men. There are two types. The ones who put their arm around your waist proudly parade you around in public (makes you feel like a supermodel).
And the ones who are quietly furious and take it as a continuous personal insult that you dare to be taller (makes you feel like a big gross monster who needs to slouch in shame).
I imagine some women get too tired of the latter to keep searching for the former.
The first type are so great and so fun to date.
The quiet resentment from the second type is insidious.
I don’t get the insecurity and resentment about height but I suppose that’s bc I don’t understand it about anything
Woman makes more than me? Please ffs let me find you. I want to stay home with my kid and not babysit adults.
You’re strong and can labor around here? Please ffs I could use a hand.
Smarter than know it all me?! Awesome! Help me figure things out and tell me your opinions so I can rest my overloaded brain.
Strong willed? Dom? Please please please - let me sub out - I make every fucking decision for everyone for decades. Tell me what to do. Slap me around if you want. Streets and sheets. I’m so tired.
Over a foot taller than my short ass? Wow - I kinda feel like the shit. 20s misogynist me is bragging about getting with someone so desirable that other short guys wouldn’t be able to.
I don’t get the point of hating women. There’s like this whole other 50% of the population that brings this entirely unique perspective, wants to participate and have agency in life, proactively telling you they want the space to thrive… Just let all the ships rise and bring our sisters up with us.
Or I can be a whiny bitch about my dick feeling small bc women are fucking g’s too…
Yeah, no brainer for me.
That’s exactly why I married a man like you :)
Is there a song about heteropessimism I can link here?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdh9irHuk-U&ra=m
All I ask for is respect
I don’t get it from the state
And I don’t get it from men
You take up spaces that aren’t yours
Because of history, on whose side?
Oh right, it’s always yoursAnd I just want, yeah, I just want
Not to be needed, not to be looked at
With a menace and the thought of breeding
And it’s alright, let’s step outside
And you can feel I’d rather
Show my wrath, get spit upon and learn the reasons whyWhy can’t I walk in the street without men bothering me?
Why does he poison my heart
Control my life from afar?I’m sick of being sad when I’m alone
I’m sick of being scared on my walk home
I’m sick of being trapped by what you impose
You hear yes when I say noOne step out of line and I’m done
Medieval punishment for saying, I will make you cum
Mosquito, an evil, you suck out all my blood
I’ll crush you like the bug you are, underneath my thumbWants to get rid of me 'cause he’s afraid
Sick of thoughts of me taking his place
Refuse to back down in the eye of your hate
I’ll push you right back from whence you cameWhy can’t I walk in the street without men bothering me?
Why does he poison my heart
Control my life from afar?I’m sick of being sad when I’m alone
I’m sick of being scared on my walk home
I’m sick of being trapped by what you impose
You hear yes when I say noWhen they don’t stop, when you say stop
When they don’t stop, when you say stop
When they stand too close on the sidewalk
My clothes don’t have pockets
And I’m forced to want it
Complain about a condom
I hate you, love you, it’s Stockholm
Not your pretty girl, I never will be
Don’t look me up and down like I’m a piece of meat
I see how you degrade with no shame
So hear me when I sayI’m sick of being sad when I’m alone
I’m sick of being scared on my walk home
I’m sick of being trapped by what you impose
You hear yes when I say noYes, it’s definitely a start to a lot of more interesting questions, like:
- can men ever adjust to rejection?
- will they ever give women the same right to physical preferences as they grant themselves?
- can women state their preferences without being caricatured as gold-diggers or inviting abuse (from, presumably, Chads).
I think a lot of the debate around this is really about male entitlement. Men are absolutely shocked and horrified that women turn them down and react badly, and women are super-annoyed that the men who complain about shortness the most have a shitton of more pressing issues interfering with their dating lives (often hilariously including exacting physical standards).
I’m firmly on the side of toppling the patriarchy, but I don’t see the role of gaslighting in that endeavor.
I’m firmly on the side of toppling the patriarchy, but I don’t see the role of gaslighting in that endeavor.
Is it gaslighting to be realistic and push back on the manosphere lies about scarcity in dating?
Telling boys and men that their height will have all women rejecting them is poisonous and harms them overall. And it’s blatantly not true.
My son’s father was 5’6". For the entire time we were together, he told everyone he was 5’10". I am all of 5’ nothing, so I cant tell. Some time after we broke up, I dated someone who was actually 5’10" and I just… giggled at the lie my son’s father told, but ultimately was left confused as to why.
The women who do give a fuck about a man’s hieght definately arent going to be good partners. Be comfortable in your own skin, I say.
Height isnt everything. The guy I dated after, told me once, “I cant look in the mirror because I hate myself so much I want to smash the mirror”. And like, what a place to be, but… he had height, it wasnt a magic cure to finding love, inside or in life, at all.
As a woman, if he had told me he was 5’10" I would have laughed right in his face (because I am 5’6").
I’ve seen 180 cm listed as the minimum on a bunch of Tinder profiles, but I’ve never swiped right on any of them to find out if they’re serious. It’s a bit below 6’, 6’ flat is about the average male height but we use the metric system so easier to just write 180 cm rather than 183 or whatever.
It’s also usually been short women for some reason. Seen plenty of 180+ cm tall women on Tinder too and none have had a minimum height requirement listed.
Do note that when I say “a bunch”, I don’t mean a super high percentage, because I’ve spent enough years on Tinder to have seen thousands of people here in a country of ~1.3 million and the ones who had a minimum height requirement would be in the two or three digit count.
Usually it’s like “pls be over 180 cm”, “swipe left if you’re a boy under 180 cm” (with the diminutive form of ‘boy’ used) or something like that.
That still leaves like 99% of women not putting that in their bio, but if you have low self-esteem and get few matches, you just notice all the ones that do and think “hmm maybe the others just don’t say it out loud”.
That still leaves like 99% of women not putting that in their bio, but if you have low self-esteem and get few matches, you just notice all the ones that do and think “hmm maybe the others just don’t say it out loud”.
And that’s exactly how the manosphere red-pilled ideologies take hold. They deliberately target vulnerable young men that are finding their footing in the world and telling them it’s all women’s fault for their woes.
Eh. This is about as true as saying women with a small cup size are courted by straight men ‘grudgingly’ with ‘dissatisfaction’. Could it be a disqualifing physical trait for some men? Yep. Is it at all representative of the dating field? No.
I’ve met very, very few women with actual opinions about the 6ft thing… and no offense to those people, their personalities in general did not, well, have a broad appeal.
Right? If I saw a dating profile that listed a preferred cup size or weight, I’d steer clear even if I fit the criteria. Having an arbitrary dating requirement based on something so shallow is a red flag. Why bother engaging with someone like that? I’d hope the tall men that such women seek recognize that as well.
I’m short as fuck and have never had a problem when I actually put in the effort. Obviously not everyone I would have liked was interested in me but that’s not something unique to short dudes. People aren’t attracted to each other for all sorts of reasons. Showing up, taking care of myself, and just being nice to everyone got me really far. The short dudes I see in my circle (all of whom are taller than me) that complain about it are just straight unpleasant to be around a lot of the time. They’re so fixated on getting laid that they can’t just interact with women on a platonic level. When they’re not making everyone uncomfortable they’re whining about their lot in life. They need to focus on getting their own shit together and building their self esteem but they refuse to acknowledge that they might be the problem because it’s easier just to blame everyone else for discriminating them.
There are a lot of women who want tall dudes, there are a lot of dudes that want women with big tits. Pretty much everyone has to settle somewhere below their ideals in terms of the attractiveness of their partner. Some people have things that they won’t settle on but we can’t really control that, you just have to get over it. Why would you want to date someone who isn’t attracted to you anyway? There are an absolute shitload of people who are less than perfect in the looks department to meet and try to find a match that works for you. You just have to get out there and do it.
The short dudes I see in my circle (all of whom are taller than me) that complain about it are just straight unpleasant to be around a lot of the time. They’re so fixated on getting laid that they can’t just interact with women on a platonic level.
Ugh. That was the not-so-short guy that I tried to be friends with! He was just constantly horny all the time, talking to women sitting at a table eating dinner because it was sort-of-close to the bar. Then when he did finally find someone, he resented her and himself for having so much horny sex. But even he wasn’t about this red-pilled You Must Be As Tall As This Sign nonsense, he just never made much of an effort with women taller than him unless he was drunk, which was seemingly most of the time. Anyway.
Yeah, short is a disadvantage, maybe a bigger disadvantage than other things, but it’s not an insurmountable problem that dooms you to celibacy. Just weird to me that it seems controversial to just say it out loud that it is a disadvantage. But I guess, again, it’s about the context people are hearing it in, context I tend to miss.
They don’t need to say it, it’s all over the manosphere. Most people don’t give a fuck and no one should want to date the kind that do.
so:denial.
I’ve talked to plenty of women who openly admit they wouldn’t date someone shorter, including women whom I’ve dated.
The six-foot minimum thing is a seperate issue, but I think I tend to agree with you–it’s bogus and/or disqualifying; though online dating is a cruelty-magnifying machine.
When I was dating in my 20’s, I wanted someone taller. I thought it reasonable because im 5 foot… and chubby. Skinny short guys made me feel like I was a monster cuddling with them, and I felt fatter than I was. That was it. I still dated a few short skinny guys. Sometimes people just say things.
Most men prefer to date women that are shorter than them as well.
Yup, and you can say that without every man who is dating a taller woman coming out of the woodwork to tell you you’re wrong.
lol that’s funny. I get men coming out of the woodwork at me all the time for these kinds of statements.
Hyperbole isn’t a great method when talking about personal preferences like this.
I get men coming out of the woodwork at me all the time for these kinds of statements.
The difference is that that’s because of the obvious bias your comments show though, and crucially not because they disagree with you that women prefer taller men.
Have you found links to the “literally hundreds of misandrist comments” I’ve left on Lemmy?
I’m interested in guys shorter than me. I have friends who dated/are dating men shorter than them.
Any preference is just that. People don’t get involved with people they’re not compatible with. In fact, you won’t be romantically compatible with most people you meet, and a lot of the reasons will be things you have no control over.
I know men who openly admit they wouldn’t date someone heavier or taller than them either. It’s not a source for complaint though, because no one owes you their romantic interest.
Hell, post a picture of an overweight woman anywhere on lemmy and see what happens. Post a picture of a short dude and compare comments.
I dont get why if you are short you have to hate on women that dont date under 6’. There’s a majority who literally dont give a fuck why do you HAVE to want the ones that do?
There’s certainly something there in not wasting time and energy hating [insert negative descriptor] people, but I think actively hate and passively have a hugely negative opinion on are different things.
I don’t get why if you are fat you have to hate on men that don’t date under 200 pounds. There’s a majority who literally don’t give a fuck why do you HAVE to want the ones that do?
Youre trying to mock but like that’s also valid. lol the whole world isnt gonna like you and thats just a fact. You can spend time worrying about the ones that hate you or you can spend time finding the ones that like you. No matter your demographic.
I’m only intending to mock people like revelrous who think that only the first opinion is valid. I completely agree with you and it’s encouraging to see other people taking that stance as well. :)
C’mon guy. This is some low class shit. You have to stop being so reactionary with people.
How is my comment any more low class/reactionary than the comment I was responding to?
Other than “men’s preferences are low class/shallow/reactionary and women’s are high class/just personal preference/justified”, of course.
Because that was not what the prior post, or mine, was communicating? You have to skip over a lot of nauance to give yourself a reason to find injury and go on the attack here. They vented about the toxic expectation that all women be available to men.
This is a real thing women deal with that is not true in the reverse. So let them vent. Why pick a fight or be hateful?
This user has been stalking me to argue about gender war shit.
Try not to let it get to you.
Gender war shit is all you ever comment about, so I’m not quite sure why me seeing your public comments on a few posts on the frontpage and replying to them is suddenly “stalking” to you.
Especially when you’re the one spamming multiple responses to my comments.
You have to skip over a lot of nauance to give yourself a reason to find injury and go on the attack here.
Not at all - you just have to recognize that women’s preferences are seen as natural and healthy, and men’s are seen as predatory, deviant, or bigoted, and that this was just another example of this tired trend that is still actively hurting men from both ends.
Grasshopper, most people, not all, but most, are good. When you get into contention with them like this, it almost always comes down to a lack of understanding. Sometimes it’s on them. Sometimes it’s on you. The trick is to hunkerdown and figure out who’s running the bigger deficit before you respond accordingly.
Men are not a mystery to women. They get a firehouse of male point of view starting from the cradle. Unless they grew up in very unique convent, it is inescapable. Its in the curriculum. The histories. The books. Media. Everywhere the default documented experience has been a man’s. They know and understand the pressures that shaped you.
We teach men fuck all about women. If anything we push them further into ignorance. Societies love their hierarchies, and ignorance is the best way to mantain social divides.
It’s not your fault that you will have to try harder to reach the same level of understanding. It wasn’t fair to you to deny you this education when you were young and it was easy to pick up. But to understand you have to know you are playing catch up and you will have to try. The effort may be challenging and uncomfortable, and feel nothing like that sweet spike of gratification when you take a swing. Do not mistake what feels good with what is true. Maybe start with some Carl Sagan.
If you want to talk, we’ll talk. Because yes, the banket perception of ‘women pure, men depraved’ is a thing. But it is ignorance is disregard the thousand years of context, to assume this is only hurts men. Don’t jump down someone’s throat because you don’t understand. Listen, read, grow.
Tldr: fuck elon musk, get a library card.
Why do you keep conflating insecure short men that lash out at others with all men?
I haven’t done that a single time. Conflating some men with all men is much more your territory than mine, velma.
Edit: It figures that both comments velma would pick to illustrate this are the exact ones criticizing people like her for conflating some men with all men, not me conflating them myself.
Other than “men’s preferences are low class/shallow/reactionary and women’s are high class/just personal preference/justified”, of course.
you’re all over the thread blaming men who complain about their lived experience as “leading with their insecurities” and generally minimizing the problem.
You’ve done it twice now. We’re not talking about all men. We’re talking about short men who are particularly insecure and lash out and blame others for their insecurities.
No, actually, we don’t need to conflate being short with being less than six feet tall. Literally the majority of men are under six feet. This is the equivalent of thinking you’re fat because you’re above a size 0. It’s divorced from reality.
I agree with you. I meant men shorter than their potential partners.
Nah
This comment gives off short energy
On the internet, everyone assumes you’re a dog.
Fairly sure it’s sarcasm.
That’s like the most nutsack comment ever.
Ewwww… Of course these two clowns came from reddit. Just… EWW!
To me it’s abundantly clear that NoScarcity was being sarcastic and not actually trying to appear as a woman.
What’s the joke?
“Woman bad”
Unfortunately misogyny tends to come with a elementary level sense of humor, which equates to mean=funny
