Autists will be one of the first in the camps it seems. In fact, getting out of America should strongly be considered
I received an email from the place I got diagnosed saying they would never share diagnosis results voluntarily, and would not give access to those results, without a legal battle. Their stance is that their patient’s rights fall under HIPPA and applicable state privacy laws, making them confidential. They sent out a statement saying they do not support any kind of registry that lacks full informed consent, and that they stand with the neurodivergent community.
Based on the wording the hitlerites in the gov’t are using to describe how they’ll get our data, it might actually be through medication, vaccination status, and disability claims on medical records, but don’t quote me on that (and please fact check me if I’m incorrect, I’m pretty tired rn).
It scares me that no mention of protecting minors’ privacy and safety are being mentioned much. I can’t imagine how scary this must be for younger folks right now. Stay safe out there, and keep your wits about you.
go into autism death camps thread
people are mostly discussing the finer points of the personal noun form of the word autism
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An hour from now:
go into autism death camps thread
people are mostly discussing people discussing the finer points of the personal noun form of the word autism
Hexbear, famous home of people who don’t care about others’ (pro)nouns?
I had looked into autism diagnosis as an adult and there are basically no upsides. It’s expensive and you’ll have to fight doctors for it, and you’ll be given a piece of paper that doesn’t mean anything to anyone. There are no real resources (the ones gated by neoliberal austerity that require the paper) for autistic adults in the US from what I’ve seen. For adults it seems to be “just be thankful your support level is low”.
Nobody is going to check your papers and kick you out of a support group or meeting for not having them.
Having an autism diagnosis has already been a hurdle to approval for adopting a child. If that existed, to me it meant neurodivergent people would be a target in the future.
Yeah I’d almost never disclose ND status regardless of what it is and to what bureaucracy, it’s almost always bad, and it’s almost always on me to fight for any kind remedy regardless of disclosure. The liberal rules around disclosure esp. in the work place are effectively meant to make ND people more vulnerable. The standards protect only those with visible physical disabilities to a extremely minimal degree.
The only things protecting us have been HIPAA. That’s actually the worst part about RFK’s database, given that the government just leaked Abrego Garcia’s wife’s address to their stochastic psycho contingent.
IDK what I have, as far as the full spectrum of neurodiversity does, and I’m definitely suffering in some way as a result, but I’d expand this to far more than autism, I think if they have any success sending people to death camps for autism, they’ll probably start picking up everyone else without even making an announcement. In fact, it would not surprise me if suddenly they start picking up random US citizens and just declare them autistic.
In fact, it would not surprise me if suddenly they start picking up random US citizens and just declare them autistic.
I have my doubts about this because they are already doing this through ICE and they have said they are going to do it for people who disagree with the President regardless of their citizenship status.
RFK’s HHS is not going to out-compete ICE to create a general gestapo model, it already exists, has for a long time, in multiple different modes. It’s just that it was much more polite before.
I’m much more scared about keeping my passport up to date, and being denaturalized than I am about RFK’s goofy autism caregiver based genocidal ideas.
RFK already said he wants to create work camps for autistic people, so it’ll probably be a way to get cheap labour from the white population as they deport the non-white population.
Yeah he has. I am 50:50 on if he actually believes that or it’s shoe horning stuff into Trump’s policy agenda. I think he literally believes that we cannot work so how would labor camps even work? His whole “wellness farms” stuff was funny because bringing back RFK Jr. designed sanitoriums during a fascist austerity government after Regan happened is a nonstarter. I do not believe that RFK is going to be able to put together a network of camps and the mechanisms to round people up into them. ICE under Trump is less effective than under Biden/Obama but is more brazen. There’s like several steps that here that aren’t going to be easy, and it’s a game of numbers not just if you’ll get got by the RFK HHS but also if the RFK HHS will be able to get you at all.
I think RFK’s average case success scenario for this is having some high profile arrests and claiming mission accomplished.
Remember that these systems were actually made effective or outright built by competent technocratic ghouls during the Democrat run government years. Bush’s war in the middle east was a failure, Obama mechanized it and turned it into a success (politically speaking because he removed American troops from the political equation). Biden adopted Trump’s border policy and made it work effectively and proved it out in the stats and Democrats were complaining that the evil fascists of the GOP weren’t giving them credit for being good effective fascists.
What about the HHS classifications/work providing a basis for categorization for Federal LE action, ‘rounding up’? Then they wouldn’t be competing, like that, but they both end up contributing. I’ve tried talking to people about this recently and was told off basically. “Don’t believe what you hear.” I think they said. (Started with talking about the statements about ADHD work camps.)
Also, idk if this comes off as risky to discuss publicly given everything, but do you mean having your passport for leaving later or that you already have and keeping it current is important (because obviously). And where are you considering for places to go other than the U.S.?
Sorry to bother you.
What about the HHS classifications/work providing a basis for categorization for Federal LE action, ‘rounding up’?
My personal risk profile doesn’t match this because there is no diagnosis. I think it can represent a real risk for others.
My opinion on this is that I think this is an RFK pet project that he’s shoe horning into DJT’s world view. I don’t think RFK is long for being HHS secretary, because Trump doesn’t like him and they are both guys who cannot share the spotlight.
There is real risk to real people from the Trump admin, but I think we have to temper the assessment of that risk with the political instability and the incompetence of a cartoonish fascist government. They are more effective with ICE and dissident management this time around because they had 4 years to plan, and they had several successful trial balloons between 2016-2020. I think creating pathological or technical criteria for the rounding up is something that is needed for a technocratic fascist positioning very much a Dem party thing (Think: You can’t support Hamas they’re terroristorinos!). Trump has been signaling that he’s literally trying to fuck over those who simply disagree publicly. You do not need pathological criteria to rile up your base for that. Democrat, dissident, and anti-American are labels that can do that job just as effectively.
It’s also not actually about the practical population transfer but imposing control. If they really wanted to get rid of autistic people esp. kids on the cheap they could do it through federal austerity faster/easier than putting us all in camps.
I can be wrong, but I just don’t think RFK’s agenda is going to be durable and mesh with the overall WH goals and this they have 6 of these types of pots on the stove so I’m not betting on RFK being a danger to me.
Also, idk if this comes off as risky to discuss publicly given everything, but do you mean having your passport for leaving later or that you already have and keeping it current is important (because obviously). And where are you considering for places to go other than the U.S.?
No I’m not leaving. I was naturalized as a child and the immigration law at the time did not provide children with their own naturalization documents. My proof of citizenship is my old collection of US passports, current passport / passport card. I can pay $5k for the INS to print me a certificate, but lol cmon.
This is my de jure defense of “I’m not fucking going to El Salvador”, my de facto one is I keep that thing on me. My conditions for leaving the country are if it’s not going to be possible for me and my partner to live here from an economic / personal safety POV. We aren’t planning on children so I have it easier than most, and from the outside I can pass as “normal” from a ND/political POV. A lot of this stuff is very much “don’t rock the boat” signal.
I have been at peace with the fact that I could be deported under US law since I was a teenager, so this isn’t really anything new to me. This is just surviving. I’m doing my dailies.
The first people have already been sent to camps and they are Latin Americans.
Side note, how do people with autism feel about the word autist? I feel like I’ve only seen it used by terminally online people as a sort of slur
I’m not going to dox myself, but I am an autism activist and we all pretty much use the term autist. If you read Unmasking Autism, a good book btw, it will show that Autist is the preferred nomenclature
Autist is the preferred nomenclature
for who, the author? many autistic people dislike the term. IMO we don’t really even need a noun for autistic people. adjectives work fine.
I appreciate the insight from everyone here, I have a friend who taught kids with autism and told me that they were taught to say “person with autism” so I’ve always gone that route since then.
I have a friend who taught kids with autism and told me that they were taught to say “person with autism” so I’ve always gone that route since then.
“Person with autism” is something neurotypical researchers cooked up to describe our “disease” that we need to be “treated” for. Like we’re a person with the flu, or a person with asthma. It implies that we’re fundamentally broken in some way. It’s very common in clinical or educational circles. Your friend probably didn’t know any better, and the kids they were teaching didn’t, either.
“Autistic” or “Autist” is how we talk about ourselves. Autistic folks aren’t sick or broken—we’re whole people. Being autistic is who we are.
I’m fine with “autist” tbh and describe myself as such. I’ve gone so far as to call some of my behavior when I know I should mask and don’t for tactical reasons “weaponized autism”. Honestly one thing that a lot of NTs don’t understand is that some of us like that our neural patterns are autistic. I don’t want to be NT, I like myself, I like how I think. Is it annoying that I get sensory issues? Sure, but I don’t want to trade for the “benefits” of being an NT.
I’m also a Jew. People have used “Jew” as a slur before as well. Did getting hung up on saying “Jewish” or “person of Judaism” ever help prevent the Holocaust ? Did it help Jews get into a college other than Tulane before 1964? Whether someone respects you as a person isn’t going to be changed through their language. They’re just lying.
You can hate me, I can’t change that. But make it easy on me and don’t lie about it, I have a hard time with social cues. I prefer self describing as “autist” and it being a “bad word” for NTs. It makes it very clear not only who is autistic but how an NT feels about you as an autistic person. For others I typically use autistic because I know some autistic people don’t like autist and it helps create that signal that’s gonna make it easier for me to tell who to stay away from.
RFK’s bullshit is very closely tied to the ideology of orgs that pretend to be focused on the needs of autistic people but actually and actively cater to caregivers of autistic people and their inherent ideology of “I have been saddled with this annoying child and someone needs to fix it.” These orgs such as Autism (Caregivers) Speak are already genocidal in their talking points about autism, RFK is mainly catering to these people who believe we’re broken and taking their ideas to their logical conclusions that we should not exist in our current mental states.
I have talked with people, rarely are the people pushing for “Person with Autism” the same ones saying it is a disease needing cure or treatment. They tend to be the individuals who are most likely to be interacting or advocating for autistic people, however they learned “Autistic person” the person started to be ignored, they decided the best way to solve that issue was to put person first, and to their credit, it can work, however it just shuffles the issue and postpones the same issue this linguistic trick was started to avoid. It was after the retorical change that groups like Autism Speaks decided to run around saying this proves its a disease that needs cured. No one changed their mind over the reshuffle, it was just that it is clunkier than the previous it knockes some people out of automatic thinking
I’ve done some disability assistance work and people broadly ignored the training that said “person with X” and instead opened with “[adjective] person,” for whatever that’s worth
obviously you go with whatever the person you’re talking to is comfortable with once you know what that is
Its standard nomenclature, I can as an autistic person go on an hours long rant at how that is stupid and only shifting the problem to later
Do you mean using autist is stupid and shifting the problem to later ? Sorry, I didn’t quite understand
“people with autism” it has come from a responce to Autistic people triggering people to not hear the people, this came after autist became the “slur” because people “forgot they where people and not a diagnosis” The new shift to People with autism is in the same vein. You can already see some people droping the intent. It is language shifting without trying to figure out or fix the rout cause of individuals not being able to keep (Diagnosis modifies person) way they can keep Tall and Person without loseing both
Ahh I see what you mean, thanks for clarifying
Context dependent for me. First person “as an autist” etc I generally find funny. Third person “Autist’s be like” I generally dislike
I like the word, but a lot of autistic people dislike it so generally I don’t use it much
i do not like autist as ive only ever heard it used as a slur at me and others. the matter is far from settled and there is no “preferred nomenclature.” you’re supposed to ask people individually, which is great unless you’re in a group - i think maybe “autistic” is fine, like “autistic people” but that’s just my preference. if someone opened with “autists” i would absolutely tense up and probably not engage with what they were saying
I am not going to argue your POV because it’s valid. But what is your opinion on autistic people using the term autist?
Same feelings as I have about the T slur for trans people if I’m being honest, sorry. Basically I dont want to hear it, it hurts, but I dont begrudge people using it on themselves I guess
Specifically Latin Americans with tattoos I think?
I don’t like hearing it from people without autism. From other autistics its fine, although I don’t tend to use it because I know some have issue with it. And yea that’s a pretty large segment of users.
I’m autistic, I’ve used autist when I’m being mildly self depreciating, but also when I wasn’t. It really depends on context & intent. If its being said verbally, your tone also matters.
Yeah I’ll call myself an autist and I have no problem with other autistic people calling themselves that but if someone else called me an autist I would punch them in the throat
It’s a slur, and like other slurs it’s okay for the targeted group to apply it to themselves, it’s not okay to refer to others.
It’s more a jargon term that’s variable by the person. One persons autist is another persons autism slur. For my friend group of autistic folks, we call one another autists in a joking manner.
It really is just by who views it as what and if it’s really worth getting angry over or if it’s something that can be shrugged off.
Waaaaay ahead of you there, my paranoia about the rise of the 4th reich is why I never sought diagnosis for over a decade of thinking I may be autistic
I am still undiagnosed and not in the US, but this sort of thing and employment evaluations are still the big reasons I haven’t pursued it.
We have the tech broyi big data medical records where I live, if I had the diagnosis, it would be so easy to pick me up from the records. The surveillance that people have just willingly signed up for cover all medical records nbd diagnoses on a national level. They are just ready to be exploited for when this country gets to where the US is now.
I am so worried for our US comrades tbh.
They’re making a list🎵 We’re paying the price🎵 It’s not a surprise🎵 Since they came for Trans Rights🎵 Black triangles’🎵 Cominnnn, to townnnnnnn🎵
I don’t think I can get it taken off my records so I am very nervous.
I literally got my diagnosis two months ago. 😔
I see camps being less likely and more the old “lunatic asylum” system being resurrected. Whoever remembers how to do lobotomies will be making a lot of money in the near future.
Let’s be real, whoever can claim to know how to do a lobotomy — it’s the type of surgery you can literally learn to perform from a five-minute YouTube video, it takes ten minutes to do, and if it goes wrong-er than usual then that’s “all the better” for certain parties.
Incidentally, I’m just now learning about Howard Dully, one of the youngest survivors of a lobotomy and co-author of the memoir My Lobotomy. He apparently died in February of this year at the age of 76. He had two YouTube channels, apparently the one channel was made to try to raise support for making a feature film based on his life, which evidently never came to fruition; the other one has much more varied content, including interestingly enough a lot of pirate uploads of shows from his childhood. It is in any case very striking to hear a lobotomy survivor in more or less modern times talking about his life in a very lucid manner — because he got the procedure so young and was otherwise very fortunate for a lobotomy survivor, brain plasticity allowed him to with time regain a lot of function.
I can’t get past how strange of a hill this is to die on. Though I have to imagine this rhetoric is completely based on optics and mob preference (just like the latin xenophobia). Either that or the state is afraid of us because we don’t fold to social norms and traditions.
Like I get parents being scared of having disabled kids for the financial strain if nothing else, but like afaik most autistics can be self sufficient and independent with the right developmental help. Compared to a serious physical disability or developmental/degenerative neurological disability it seems kinda silly. I would guess my parents paid more for me to play hockey as a kid than it would cost to provide assistance to the average autistic (with money left over for the kid to be into less expensive activities).
If we’re looking for preventative mental issues how about we worry about american football first.
- If capital cannot profit off of you, it will kill you. Autistic people tend to be bad at the wage work capital demands of us - hence why so many of us are chronically unemployed.
- It is impossible to overstate the extent to which neurotypical people see us as objects of disgust and contempt. It’s super-common even for progressive and allegedly leftist spaces to treat us as subhuman. I don’t expect them to put up much resistance on our behalf and presumably neither does capital.
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But we also tend to be very good at doing the work capitalism demands of us. Thats why at 6 years old they pulled me aside in class to give me harder math and say “You should be an engineer” a thousand times.
It’s not even a problem of capitalism, it’s a problem of distribution and not putting autistic people in roles they can perform well.
If capital cannot profit off of you, it will kill you. Autistic people tend to be bad at the wage work capital demands of us - hence why so many of us are chronically unemployed.
This is an important point. We should remember that this means that the most realistic worse-case model they have to cleanse us en masse is corporate private prison contracting where some Trump friendly dipshit gets $25k/per body a month from the Fed to warehouse us in a concrete tomb.
They cannot kill us cheaply and we aren’t actually a balance sheet problem because there is realistically social spending for the majority of us. They’ll starve all disabled and poor people before they single us out in any effective way. We might be a trial balloon, but it’s extremely unlikely that we’ll get it nearly as bad as migrants.
Autism is just a political talking point for their shit for brains NT base who doesn’t want to be shown anything on the TV except their own shallow world view, and for the people who they talk about the TV with in public to never tell them the TV is wrong. We’re just a means to an end, effectively to get society to agree to the fact that kids should die of measles.
America in 2025 is utterly incapable of mega-projects like Japanese internment, the government has been too hollowed out. They spent $1.1 billion in 2025 dollars in the 1940’s just to build the camps alone using the US Army Corps of Engineers, the CCA and WRA. They were mostly public works. Doing something of this size is going to be a major in-fight between oligarchs on who gets this money, and it won’t be $1.1 b done over a year, it will balloon to hundreds of billions and be stuck in development hell because of all the inefficiencies.
A single prison today typically costs $1b. For example Indiana is currently building a new prison for $1.2 that holds 4,200 people. They started in 2023, they’re expected to finish in 2027.
Don’t get me wrong people will be hurt, but we are so laughably incapable of 20th century style population transfers.
Like I get parents being scared of having disabled kids for the financial strain if nothing else, but like afaik most autistics can be self sufficient and independent with the right developmental help.
It’s basically been a long running joke in my family that back in my father and grandfather’s day we didn’t have people with autism. We just had engineers.
I know there’s a lot of benefits from having the term, and a community around it. But sometimes I do wonder if maybe we lost some of the benefits that come with the old approach of “some people are like that, it would be a funny old world if we were all the same”.
The old approach has a lot of downsides esp. for our more visible comrades who need support.
I would extend this to related diagnoses as well unless you really need them for something. They might decide to target ADHD next, for instance. If you aren’t relying on adderall just to function, it’s worth weighing the risks of being diagnosed with that.
Pretty sure as a trans person I’ll already be one of the first in camps. After immigrants obviously.
Okay I’m curious, are autism diagnosis kept on any kind of central data base? I get there’s some of that with other medicinal records but aren’t most cases of autism diagnosed by childhood psychologist and therapists, do they have a central database? Aren’t a lot of people self-diagnosed?
They’re putting together a database with all the autistic people in the US. It doesn’t exist but its construction was announced today.
Insurance companies would know. They would know because they know diagnoses and track them to approve or deny medications, visits to medical professionals like psychiatrists/psychologists/etc. They can just demand those records from them scarily enough.
When I got diagnosed the psychologist kept a record for herself and game a copy to me. I haven’t even told my primary care doctor, so I don’t know how they’ll find it unless they go to every testing center and request all diagnostic documents
I read something about the process including broad access to medical records of the public. So, I suppose they’ll just be searching wherever they feel they’ll find evidence.
They are not centralised so far as I know, but the NIH is demanding all records
Considering how spineless doctors are in the US, a lot of them will probably divulge them voluntarily.
Insurance companies would have diagnosis records for stuff like medication or therapy covered, right?
Probably yeah, although is there medication for autism that’s used? I’d assume there’s just cognitive-type therapy and more specific stuff for autistic kids.
Risperdal
Is this based on some recent news that I’m missing? Something other than the shit RFK Jr said.
It’s a response to the news that they are collecting our medical records to make a registry of everyone with autism. And also RFKs desire to create “wellness” camps
oh my god this thing is going bananas!!I swear it must be broken, it’s just been an uninterrupted beep for months
it’s the empire flatlining
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