Switch (and to a greater extent Switch 2) is brilliant hardware, don’t get me wrong. I like it. It’s well built, great screen, suspend works great, docking is awesome, etc.

But I don’t like that it killed (or at least marked the end of) the old handheld gaming paradigm. Some of this is undoubtedly nostalgia, but I think there’s things that were objectively better about the old way.

Around the time of 3DS launching smartphone gaming was taking off, and for a moment it looked promising which really hindered sales of handheld consoles. There were tons of innovative, fun experiences available at low prices. This pushed companies away from handhelds. It’s a lot tougher sell when people have smartphones now.

But then smartphone gaming turned into a barren hellscape of ads and fremium mtx ridden slop. I don’t know about you, but despite owning high end smartphones I have literally no games on my phone. Not to say that no good smartphone games exist… But they have such a huge uphill battle - nobody buys mobile games because they assume they’re trash, and they don’t have the necessary advertising budget to fight the big names in mobile gaming. So the selection is small and hard to find.

Then there’s the ports like Minecraft and Fortnite/etc, which are also loaded with mtx nowadays. But smartphones seem like the absolute last choice platform for these titles. Nothing I hate more than playing a game designed for a controller on a touchscreen.

So say I go to pick a friend up from the airport and I have 20 minutes to wait because their flight was a bit late. What to do? I could play a game on my Switch. Totally a feasible option. Except, I almost certainly didn’t bring it. Why would I? It’s a fairly large device. And with the big exposed screen and analog sticks I’d have to case it up too. I’m not grabbing that thing “just in case”. So I grab my phone and doomscrool. Not because I want to, but because… What else am I gonna do?

But let’s say I had a 3DS… Pocketable (or easily fitting into a modest sized purse). I can take it without thinking. No case needed, it’s a clamshell. May as well keep it on me. Plus I can grab some Streetpass passes (when that was a thing) which basically gamifies the action of taking it everywhere. I’d probably spend those 20 minutes playing something on the 3DS.

That’s the thing. Tablet sized portables like Switch/2, Steam Deck, etc are technically portable, but I have to plan it. If I’m going on a road trip yeah awesome those consoles are insanely good. But in my day to day life they never leave the house. The extent of portability really means I might play them in bed instead of the living room. The Switch Lite is definitely an improvement, but it’s still not the size it would need to be to become effortless to bring around.

And the games. Switch/Switch 2 games are mostly just home console games that can be played on a handheld. We don’t get nearly as many of those smaller games designed for 10-30 minute play sessions. The type of games that used to be developed for handhelds. This is 10x as true on PC handhelds. I mean, such games do exist no doubt they’re just a lot smaller part of the market. We don’t see big studios putting money into them like we’d see them do for dedicated handhelds of the past. That’s not to say there weren’t big epic stories meant for long sessions on old handhelds, but they weren’t the main type of games on them.

I understand why things are the way they are. I get it. But I don’t like it. Some might ask why I don’t just carry an old handheld - I have been! With the modern modding scene the 3DS is insanely good. I’ve had a blast with it and have been playing a ton of games from the library I never got around to back in the day plus emulators for older consoles etc. You can even play online again with community servers. But it would be really sweet to have new games to look forward to, and an active community and support.

Then there’s new like, boutique handhelds out there like the Ayn Thor etc. They look awesome and I’ll probably pick one up one day, but honestly it has the same problem as my 3DS. No new exciting stuff coming. No big community.

I don’t forsee things changing anytime soon… But I feel like if things were just a bit different they could. Like, graphics have kinda plateaued in the past 2 generations of consoles. Developers can’t really say their games are held back by graphical limitations much anymore. Let’s say the Switch 2 has an 8 year lifecycle - the Switch 3 could be a dockable handheld clamshell the size of a 3DS XL. Skip the 2 screen thing. With advances in processing/battery tech, I think in 8 years they could do that and still have graphics marginally better than S2 (but maybe not as big of a leap as S1 -> S2) and with a lot more RAM/vRAM assuming the RAMpocalypse ends by then. It could be a pocketable handheld that can still do 1080p gaming on TV while docked, keeping the single device benefit for development cost savings that the Switch brings.

I don’t actually think that’ll happen, but a person can dream eh?

Anyway thanks for reading my rant.

  • monk@lemmy.unboiled.info
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    Since around 2013 one can just stream in FullHD from your desktop to your phone, and all you needed is a 200g Sixaxis (and a video cable if you wanna dock). Since around 2018, one cna do that in 4K. On a rare occasion when you’re flying, you can run the weaker titles through GameNative/Winlator/etc. There isn’t even a debate on whether you need a crappy actively cooled half-a-kilo brick with a screen that’s strictly worse than your previous smartphone’s or a good controller for your phone. Just which one. And they come in all prices and sizes, starting from around $25/50g. You don’t have to plan your trip around tossing that in your bag.

    Your rant sounds like one from a parallel reality where internet didn’t take off. USA?

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      can just stream in FullHD from your desktop to your phone, and all you needed is a 200g Sixaxis

      What, just a controller rattling around my bag? Thumbsticks exposed and all? Assuming I have a bag that is.

      Also why would I want to play PC optimized games on a phone screen sounds really sub-optimal.

      On a rare occasion when you’re flying

      Or like, anywhere without Wifi or really good signal. Plus I’d have to leave my PC on (assuming I have an expensive gaming PC in the first place)

      tossing that in your bag

      I, like many, don’t generally carry a bag unless travelling overnight somewhere or something like that.

      a screen that’s strictly worse than your previous smartphone’s

      Just so you can play compressed to shit game streaming video on it

      The best games for small handheld screens were designed and optimized for small handheld screens and quick suspend/quick gameplay loops.

      To hook your phone up to a mount with a controller, connect to your PC, hope your connection is good enough to be decent, then play a PC game for 15 minutes? Bruh I just wanna flip something open and be playing in 5 seconds not worrying about connections and control schemes or reading text that rendered way way too tiny because it was designed for a monitor not a 5" screen.

      Like everything you said is possible but it really just seems like a terrible solution IMO and not a replacement for an ecosystem designed and tested from the ground up for the usecase on standardized hardware.

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    I don’t believe people actually take Steam Decks outside, there is no way, portable in this case must really mean “from your couch to your bed”. I’ve seen a few Switches randomly though, again they take up space so it’s rediculous to drag it around, 10/10 rant no notes. 07

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    The DS was truly an incredible console and still the gold standard for mobile gaming imo. The switch is absolutely great but it’s not mobile gaming in the same sense at all.

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      Clamshell is just the obvious king. Two screens I can take that or leave it.

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    3DS was such a good little console. I’d bring it everywhere just to get some street passes. That shit rocked. In Animal Crossing New Leaf, if the person you street passed had a file, you could go to a special part of the game where you could tour their in game house and order furniture that they have that you maybe didnt come across yet. I completed a lot of sets that way. I found out someone else on a long train ride I was on was playing the same game as me and we made friends. That shit was cool

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      3DS was such a good little console

      Street Pass was a cool feature, but I feel compared to Nintendo’s previous handhelds the variety and game library suffered.

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    The phone has become the pocket handheld, unfortunately.

    It was inevitable. People don’t want to have multiple things to keep track of in their pockets. We’ll get rid of wallets and keys too.

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      I mean I can pocket a switch but that doesn’t mean I want to pocket a switch lmao

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    I have a small retractable controller from gamesir (x5 lite) that fits in my purse and attaches to my smartphone. My smartphone is somewhat powerful, a pixel running grapheneos. It can run switch games, incl latest pokemon titles. Sometimes I bring a mouse and a very small keyboard with just basic gaming keys in my purse to play something like FTL. I’ve been considering buying their pocket taco cause it looks cute

    Imo I think running it on smartphones is the most reasonable thing for most people so you don’t have to spend money on extra devices

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    But then smartphone gaming turned into a barren hellscape of ads and fremium mtx ridden slop. I don’t know about you, but despite owning high end smartphones I have literally no games on my phone. Not to say that no good smartphone games exist…

    Just emulate real games from real systems with a phone controller of your choosing. I’m currently playing Valkyria Chronicles 3 with the English fan translation. If your phone’s high end you could probably do Gamecube and PS2 which should be enough for anybody

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      This is the big revelation of mine this year. Grabbed a better phone than I would have (secondhand- used phone market in my area is great) and picked up a Gamesir G8 Plus USBC.

      Threw on every emulator (including switch) imaginable (I haven’t tried PS3 but really should) and a curated list of games I like/games I’ve heard good things about and I’ve got handheld gaming back!

      I do recommend 2 things in particular:

      1. Don’t cheap out on the controller (if possible) and ideally get one with a physical connection because bluetooth-related input latency was a deal-breaker for me
      2. Get one of the controllers like I did that snap onto the sides of the phone. I tried a traditional controller + phone mount and did not like the weight balancing at all
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        I’m personally not bothered by/don’t notice input lag. A physical connection is less universal and depending on where the USB-C port on your phone/tablet is located you might have trouble getting your device to sit snugly in the controller. Also I’ve seen a lot of concerns about a plug potentially breaking the port on the phone over time due to stress, which would get very expensive.

        I fully agree with your point about telescopic controllers though

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    I have a Miyoo Mini Flip which is a super tiny (and relatively cheap) portable retro gaming device. I regularly play retro games with it of course, but there’s also a ton of really great newer homebrew coming out. I also don’t necessarily care too much about new stuff when I have thousands of old games I never really played when they were released.

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        Yeah, I love the size. Really handy to carry around for short games of GBA Balatro and it’s also nice to be able to play stuff like PS1 games on something that compact.

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    I picked up one of the very last 3D XLs you could buy in stores, as my first clamshell console (the last mobile console I owned was my childhood Gameboy in the 90s). It’s been pretty great - the combination of the clamshell and standby is the ultimate in pick-up-and-play convenience. And between the native 3DS games, the DS back catalogue, and emulation and homebrew support, I don’t think I’ll be running out of stuff to play for years to come.

    I would appreciate a better screen. Newer handhelds have such good screens that it sometimes feels strange to play old games on them.

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    I’ve been yearning for a Vita-sized handheld PC for a while. Some things that get close:

    - Ayaneo Air 1S: Honestly pretty close. 5.5" AMOLED, with better specs than a Deck. A little on the bigger side but smaller than a Switch. Not super pocketable, but you get better ergonomics

    - Android handhelds: Dime a dozen and in every form factor imaginable including the actual Vita. Emulation has always been great on them, and things like GameNative to play PC games are actually starting work great now, so they might be the way forward.

    - Android phone + controller doohickey: Same as a dedicated device. A flagship phone likely has comparable specs and a better screen than any handheld. Likely better wifi for streaming as well.

    That’s been the case for years as we all just wait for AMD to maybe announce a small Zen 6/RDNA5 chip.

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    My ayn odin 2 mini with gamenative almost fits the pocketable niche that I wanted. Main downside is android is ASSCHEEKS and really gets in the way sometimes, but proprietary qualcomm means rocknix has issues that mean its only really good for experimenting not daily usage.

    Im hoping as gamenative gets better i can basically close my eyes and pretend i have a psvita again.

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    But then smartphone gaming turned into a barren hellscape of ads and fremium mtx ridden slop.

    Now it’s a crack induced fever dream of partially AI generated trash.

    …Okay to be fair pseudo flying because the slop machine made it so you could infinitely jump was pretty funny.

    We could’ve had genuinely nice games on mobile phones, but capitalism murdered that possibility in broad daylight back in the early 2010s.

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    So something else I forgot to mention in my other comment is that you can play Steam games on those android handhelds, basically making them like a pocket Steam Deck. There’s a guide for it here.