Biden’s office announced his illness Sunday afternoon.

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    Why can’t the current president get aggressive cancer? Everyone would love that (although I would pity the cancer).

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    This is sad. Taking into account of how he was treated by the DNC and how 2024 went down, this is just the shit cherry on the shit sundae.

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    Since this is an opportunity to educate people about health, I will not discuss politics here. :)

    • If you’re a guy, your urinary tract is stupidly complicated from a medical viewpoint and there’s a prostate beneath the bladder which hydrogenates testosterone (T is produced by the brain) into dihydrotestosterone, produces fluid to mix the seminal fluid with, and generally supports fertility and gender specific phenotype.

    • With progressing age, the prostate enlarges, gets infected with HPV (nearly everyone gets it) and may get bacterial infections (typical ones are E. coli). It may also develop calcinations.

    • Risk is reduced if you live in Asia and eat a traditional menu containing much soy bean products which enables guys in those regions to enjoy several times less prostate cancer.

    • Risk is increased with nearly every urinary tract infection, especially if not conclusively diagnosed and treated.

    • After the age of 40, regularly have PSA (prostate specific antigen) measured from a blood test. It tells how much disintegration and immune reaction is occurring down there.

    • Regularly have ultrasound check-ups done. If there are UTI symptoms, treatment must not occur blindly, but must be followed by observation.

    • If you are young and your home country has medical insurance that covers HPV vaccination, get it while it’s free (because it costs 150 € a dose). If you’re rich enough, there may be a point in getting it later too, especially if you’ve not had unsafe sex (it doesn’t protect after infection). The majority of people get HPV during their lives and approximately 9 strains cause cervical cancer in women and raise the risk of prostate cancer in men. By getting vaccinated against HPV, you protect both yourself and your partners from drawing a ticket in a quite nasty lottery.

    • As long as prostate cancer is androgen dependent, it can be suppressed with an androgen blockade.

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    This comment section shows that even on decentralized, less mainstream platforms there’s a lot of people behaving similarly to what would be called bots on Reddit. Come on, guys, we can do better than this.

    We can acknowledge Joe Biden’s crimes and failures without cheering his sickness and wishing him a painful death. Same with Donald Trump and all the other scummy politicians.

    We can also disagree about various policies, issues or parties while treating each other with respect and an open mind, instead of degrading all discussion to ‘communism vs capitalism’ or ‘democracy vs fascism’ arguments.

    I know it can be difficult to remain civil towards government officials who are essentially criminals, and anyone who supports or seems to support them in any capacity. However, I personally think we should try.

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    My MAGA father-in-law also has prostate cancer. I bet dollar to donut he’s going to be positively giddy hearing this news.

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    It should have happened to Trump. Not that Biden is a good guy, but it would be nice if Trump died of an ass related illness.

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      Both of them are going to be on the elevator down when their time comes.

      Their only chance is in making something nearly impossible happen so that their destination is frozen over when they get there.

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      I’m not convinced Trump is healthy. I bet he has a plethora of health issues but the paid-off doctors aren’t releasing the information.

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      Anything is possible. Prostate cancer is far more common than most people realize…there is an easy to remember true statistic – 80% of all men over 80 have prostate cancer. That’s 4 out of 5. It very often tends to be so slow growing that it’s simply not an issue, really, you’ll have more pressing health concerns that will kill you first.

      It’s good to check, then once it is identified, either dealt with or monitored with regular frequency.

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        What if I stick my finger up my ass? Can I check it myself? Cause I just can’t afford the doctor bill. I heard about the guy that took out his own appendix. I feel like this is a little bit less invasive and a little kinky. What do you think?

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        It has already metastasized in his bones, so it’s much more aggressive than most prostate cancers. After metastasizing there, three 5-year survival rate is about 33% with a median survival time of 21 months. But it’s also very rare for it to have already spread elsewhere before being caught, so I’m assuming that means that this is even more aggressive than normal and that 21 months would be optimistic. But I’m not a medical professional, so I can’t say how valid this assumption is.

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          Do you think Trump will just be cheezing. Do you think that the cheeseburger king could keep his mouth shut about it? Or will he just be so tacky? We are such a trashy country. It’s so funny and scary.

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        its slow growing from what ive heard, but biden had a aggressive type, which would be different, since aggressive types usually have different mutations and genetics compared to the “slow growing ones”. even with something like melanoma, there are more than one type: nodular, subungul,etc. some cancers can be indentified by the type of gene mutations they have thats specific to that cancer

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        I know it’s possible, but I also get the impression he’s going to outlive all of us somehow.

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      With all the ass kissing his cabinet does, he’s sure to get something. Probably why he stays away from MTG these days.

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    Thank goodness he lives in a country where the cancer hospitals haven’t been bombed out of existence with weapons funded by the United States under the leadership of Joe Biden.

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        Maybe it is downvoted because those weapons were funded long before Joe Biden was the leader?

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      If he allowed terrorists to build command centres in those hospitals, and dig tunnels underneath, then perhaps they would have been bombed to the ground…

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      That would have been a bummer, wouldn’t it? Joe Biden should have been ashamed of himself if he had allowed such a thing to happen under his leadership. Thank God he didn’t.

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        Oh weird, so it wasn’t a constant stream of weapons provided with stamped approval by the admin? It wasn’t that the only time they threatened to stop it was only a very specific type of heavy bomb, not any other munitions? It wasn’t the Biden admin who initially rejected the terms ceasefire until deep into the conflict? It wasn’t the Biden admins ceasefire plans that were accepted and abandoned by Trump, proving that if they had provided full throated support of those plans it could have very reasonably happened a year sooner?

        Best thing you can say about this fuck was that he was the white guy they used to get Obama elected, cause they figured no one would vote for him unless he had a token cracker.

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          Man, the criticisms are valid, and I’ll even add to them because his pride in not stepping down sooner doomed what shreds of american democracy were left. That said, the best and largest climate bill ever passed by the US govt happened under him. Unions were bolstered and grew under him (not the train workers tho lol) and if nothing else, his victory let me not think about the fat orange cow for ten minutes. In so many ways, I pity and even kinda miss that sad sleepy bastard-- however much he floundered in almost every way. As a bonus his dogs hated government agents as much as I do, and got to bite them with impunity.

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    Stage 4 cancer with metastasis? Not gonna make it. No amount of money or power can stop a dead man walking.

    But it does make ya wonder why he wanted to run for a second term. He probably won’t make it to the end of the current administration.

    He won’t live long enough to see the major impact of slow rolling Trump’s arrest.

    I wish cancer got the other guy, but I feel no sympathy for an old racist who betrayed various words and didn’t fight back against the fascist hard enough.

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      It is interesting that the medical examination before and during his presidency should have included cancer examination? I thought it is common practice to do a test every 2 years or so…

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      If he won a second term and died then somebody other than Vance and Musk would be running the show, at least.

      Even while dying he’s stilling participating in fundraising for the DNC.

      He will be missed.

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        Yeah it seems fundraising is more important to the DNC than improving the country. But then again the people who pay big money to politics aren’t happy with a better country. That would mean less wealth for them and more dignity fir everyone else.

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          Well the DNC platform was about fucking over anybody with more a than a million dollars in stocks and they still managed to out finance the fascist party (as long as you don’t count buying out social media platforms and newspapers) so your comment seems really out of touch.

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      But it does make ya wonder why he wanted to run for a second term.

      That’s no mystery. If there were primaries, someone to his left might win them.

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      But it does make ya wonder why he wanted to run for a second term.

      Look at the average age of congress. Look at what Dianne Feinstein was doing at the end of her life. They don’t want power. It’s all automatic to them at this point. They don’t know now to do anything else then grab and hold as much power as possible without any reason or purpose.

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        if you’re going with “regardless”, might as well add that none of us will "make it’. spoiler alert, we all die at the end.

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          We don’t know that. It’s statistically likely, but it’s possible that due to advances in technology, the first person to cure aging is already alive today.

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            We’ve also been talking about curing it for years and it hasn’t happened, so maybe live your life like you’re dying and be pleasantly surprised if we cure it.

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      Get everything written down and then have it proof read by a lawyer and a scifi novelist, thats how I beat the Genie in South Africa of 94.

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    fuck, i prayed for this but it hit the wrong president

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    Lucky for him he’ll get the best medical treatment on the planet. Meanwhile if I broke a leg I’d be destitute

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      Why tf do Americans reward America with their skills and education? The captain of your sinking country is throwing citizens overboard, and you remain in line? Move!?

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        Outside of a few essentially third world countries that I could save up a few grand and bribe my way into, there really aren’t any countries that are too keen on accepting Usians for citizenship. You might have better luck if you have a doctorate and speak the local language fluently.

        I had a buddy that expatriated to South Korea years ago to teach English, but I think last time I checked in he was still juggling work visas and had no real chance of being a citizen.

        I could be wrong though, I haven’t checked in on him in a while.

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        “Move?!”

        You make it sound like moving houses. Just pack your shit and drive off. Most countries don’t want us, especially if someone wasn’t born lucky enough to be able to go to college, and has some formal education. Even if that was easy, it’s fucking EXPENSIVE. thousands of dollars. A lot of us are barely getting by, and a lot more don’t have the luxury of spending thousands to go to another country. And all that, to move to a place where you won’t have citizenship without lots of work, and hell, If facism takes over that country I’ll get kicked out. Not to mention leaving my entire family behind.

        All this assumes I’m moving to an English speaking country, otherwise I’ll have a language barrier at the same time I’m trying to rebuild my entire existence in a new place with unfamiliar culture.

        There’s probably so much more. It’s not impossible, but for me it’s not feasible at this time. I desperately wish it was.

        Edit: sorry if I came off as a dick here, it’s just frustrating seeing the thing I want so bad (to leave) simplified so much. Especially if you didn’t grow up here.

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          Don’t give up. You can still do it. I don’t think the foreigners hate you. The hate the ones that can do it so easily. I believe in you.

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          America is pretty much the only country in the world that has ever accepted the tired, the poor, and the huddled masses.

          No other country will accept a bunch of poor anyones with no money, bad health, and no unique and valuable skills. Not in any significant numbers that matter, at least.

          and thousands? moving to another country would take hundreds of thousands, minimum. The paperwork alone for moving to, and getting citizenship in the destination country would probably require a hundred thousand alone, between lawyers and paperwork, not to mention probably a year minimum of time. Assuming you would even get that far to begin with, given Americas reputation on the world stage at the moment. It’d probably be treated as well as Russians wanting to immigrate.

          Hell, even moving to another state is an expense most americans can not afford. Especially with the absurdity of rent prices being, in some places, as much as monthy minimum wage is, if not higher. Not to mention buying grossly price-inflated properties if you want to go the ownership route… anything that would be affordable will probably still need massive amounts of work to repair and make suitable for habitation.

          S’why it pisses me off every time when some ignorant dumbass just goes " well if you don’t like it, move! ", cause I can imagine everyone that says that probably has rich parents that have funded their every whim, because how else can just up and moving at a whim be possible for the average person?

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            No more Only fans, no more energy drinks, no more video games. You can do it. Make it your life’s mission. Learn a language. You don’t have to be perfect just familiar. Maybe brush up on some mathematics. Shit. You could do for a little bit of time, teach English as a second language. And yet it’s somewhat of a scam. You could like put your ear to the ground and ask other people what they’re doing. If you’re young. And even if you’re not, who gives a shit. I mean like, are you trying to have a white picket fence and a wife you hate? A job you hate, a culture you hate. Oh that’s right, no one can afford a house. Never mind. I mean fuck this place, you can do it. I call it Operation FTP. Fuck this place. It’s a deep undercover mission that could last many years. But you will complete that mission.

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            Hell, even moving to another state is an expense most americans can not afford. Especially with the absurdity of rent prices being, in some places, as much as monthy minimum wage is, if not higher.

            OH MY GOD THANK YOU! So many people don’t get that when you’re in a shitty red state it’s REALLY REALLY hard to get out because someone making California wages has absolute way more than we do. Sure, they’re broke as shit there because the prices are high, and that sucks, but then if you’re coming from Missouri to California, the phrase “fucked” doesn’t even begin to cover it.

            It’s telling that I say I clawed my way out of Arkansas and Missouri was my “better”

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          and to add, most countries accepting immigrants from the USA, they only want people with PHD in stems. most people dont have one. since a very small group of college graduates even go to grad school anyways.

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            Says Who? Where are you trying to go, Norway? Sweden? This is like abusive spouse language, like nobody wants you, nobody loves you. You’re lucky I love you. I know people with PhDs and they’re dumber than fucking shit. And what do you mean accepting? If you get a work visa and then you find a employer that wants to keep you. They usually can expedite this process. I’ve seen some of the most useless dumb motherfuckers in the world succeed.

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          I feel you, I’ve gone through similar problems but from the other side of the world. In case if you need advice:

          Consider eastern europe. From what I know, you’ll have 3 months-visa free, that’s more than enough to find a job in a big city even without any kind of connections. All you need is moving expenses and a few months of rent, and you’ll have a very good chances of getting into some kind of residency program (do research your options in advance)

          The language barrier will be a thing, but english will get you into many doors if you choose a big city. You can work on your language afterwards.

          You’ll fail a lot, it will be very stressful, you will be outsider in the eyes of many, but trust me your chances are much bigger than some people I know that have done a similar thing and succeeded. And after you succeed (and you will, if you try and don’t give up) the understanding that government’s power over you is not absolute will stay with you forever.

          All that said: I’m not saying you need to leave. I’m just saying that you can.

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          I feel you.

          I’m in Australia. If we turned fascist I would want to move but the logistics of doing that are very challenging.

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            Well, we’re all capitalist countries and fascism is just capitalism in crisis. Populism comes to rise in failing economies that do not prepare for the future… I think the real issue is Quality of life and violence, we in America are constantly exposed to anti-social behavior, homelessness and guns. Within the past like I don’t know three years. I’ve been around three incidents with a firearm I had nothing to do with it, but I was in danger. I just think about all the nonsense that goes on in America and just all I can think about is me possibly having to pay a medical bill. I am a low-risk individual who is incredibly non-committal, subscription-free kind of individual.

            once it starts happening to you, you know, you start to realize that we’re not in Kansas anymore.

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          You’re not wrong, but saying “most countries don’t want us” is very wrong, I’d say. We may not like USA very much but it doesn’t extent to random (non-MAGA) Americans; always kind, welcoming, and hard-working.

          And on a real not politically correct note, if European countries could take Americans instead of Moroccans, Afghans, and Syrians, I think virtually everyone would be happy with that solution

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            Well, the real issue is flooding refugees in Europe was an attempt to bleed the social services because the Yankee is trying to destroy Europe’s social safety net via Imperialist Ambitions. Through nefarious tactics, the neo-liberals actually do a tango with the other parties playing the public and getting them to fight with each other and blame it on immigrants instead of mismanagement and corruption. it makes the usa look bad and it’s never more obvious than when the United States cut the gas line from Russia to Germany. The Yankee is a bad friend. And you are a short-sighted racist. It’s not about being politically correct. It’s about understanding the class war and not being an idiot. Trump is such a moron. He is making it so Europe at least the people to despise the American government, which in a way is a good thing because it’s not in their best interest to side with us. And part of the reason why Europe doesn’t want our meat is because they got their own goddamn meat. And so when we force them to use our weapons, they just say, well, we’ll build our own weapons. And once again, we’ll be less needed.

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        The captain of your sinking country is throwing citizens overboard, and you remain in line? Move!?

        Hahahahahahaha… you sound like one of our republicans.

        I work as a biomed, a sector of repairing medical equipment that is a sought after career field, desperately needed. Been doing it for five years, and I like to think I’m damn good at my job.

        I also only have an associates degree.

        There are not many countries that will take me with only that associates degree. It’s like I tell conservatives who do the “Don’t like it, move”, being from the US isn’t some special wonderful status that gets us open doors into other countries. Other countries don’t want us like the Republicans don’t want foreigners from other countries, unless they’re wealthy.

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          Biomed isn’t really a sought after career. Most people outside of the medical community don’t even know it exists. The last hospital I worked at was starting a teenage volunteer program and surveyed high school and college kids. 60% thought only doctors and nurses worked at hospitals.

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            By sought after I mean the hospitals searching for us. As you say, my hospital is bringing in high schoolers to intern because the industry basically has no pipeline for workers because most of the old guard are still there but retiring and/or dying off so suddenly there’s a massive lack in a very tiny pool caused by it basically not being advertised until very recently.

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        I am trying to talk my husband into moving. I can probably land the job in the EU I am interviewing for, but he does NOT want to move. He doesn’t want to leave the small amount of community we have. He doesn’t want to overreact in fear to this administration. He doesn’t want to give up our home and our lifestyle (the EU pays substantially less across many industries). Our parents are getting older and sicker; it’s hard to move abroad when you know there’s probably only a handful of years left with them, especially when you have children.

        I think the Internet discounts how difficult it can be to uproot.

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          How good is your marriage? You only have one life. I might leave his ass. The kids will be more well-rounded. Life is a journey. Fuck and live it, lady.

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        Skills and education? Most Americans have neither of those things. We are a disposable people and that’s exactly what the corporate slaveowners want. We can’t escape because we are less valuable to other countries which means it’s easier to exploit us. What are we going to do about it, kill our masters? That’s not nice.

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          I stomached looking at his truth social account so you don’t have to:

          Melania and I are saddened to hear about Joe Biden’s recent medical diagnosis. We extend our warmest and best wishes to Jill and the family, and we wish Joe a fast and successful recovery.

          I guess some pr person has his phone today. He’ll probably say something stupid in an interview later.

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            I checked the Conservative subreddit to see what their reaction was and it’s pretty sympathetic. This made me laugh though

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              As if this isn’t the most basic norm of the presidency?

              Has any other president trashed an ex presidents diagnosis (or something similar)?

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                Cancer doesn’t care about ideology, but it sure seems like one ideology in the US cares about giving you cancer and denying treatment for it.

                If cancer could vote, it would vote Republican.

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                  Yes. That’s a big reason why a democrat posting in r/conservative calling them classy and wonderful almost made me puke.

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              Yeah the comments ITT are pretty awful. I’m no fan of Biden, but some of the comments here are depraved.

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                Aiding and abetting a genocide is depraved.

                Going on national TV and lying about seeing “pictures of 40 beheaded babies” is depraved.

                Celebrating when a war criminal gets prostate cancer? Not depraved at all in my opinion. He deserves much worse.

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                  Aiding and abetting a genocide is depraved.

                  Agreed.

                  Going on national TV and lying about seeing “pictures of 40 beheaded babies” is depraved.

                  Agreed.

                  He deserves much worse.

                  Agreed.

                  Celebrating when a war criminal gets prostate cancer? Not depraved at all in my opinion.

                  Hard disagree.

                  You can acknowledge that he’s an awful person while refraining from celebrating his misfortune.

                  If someone deserves punishment, celebrating that punishment is basically just hatred. I might want to get that looked at.

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      The guy’s also 82, so it’s not like he has a long road ahead of him regardless of this.

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      the form is still hormone sensitive so its treatable, to an extent, obvious with metasis is lower, but prostate usually have good prognosis, but that depends other factors.

      much like breast cancers that are hormone sensitive, they are treatable, the ones that triple negative or the rare IBC those are very aggressive and they are not affected by anti-hormone therapy.

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      While this represents a more aggressive form of the disease, the cancer appears to be hormone-sensitive which allows for effective management.

      Feels like more of the same strategy of downplaying Biden’s symptoms. I bet when he dies they’ll deny it for a few days.

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        I don’t disagree that there is a strategy of downplaying not just Biden’s, but every politician’s health conditions.

        I used to have this absolutely incredible writing professor, who, at 85, told us on the first day of class that he was dying, and had been for 4 years. He even had a blog about his reflections on mortality that he invited us to read. He had prostate cancer. I don’t remember the details, but they couldn’t operate to remove it or do chemo, but it was the kind that is hormone sensitive. They gave him a drug that destroyed his body’s ability to produce testosterone, so the cancer just stopped growing. He died at 90 - 9 years after his diagnosis. 10% extra life for him.

        No two people and prognosis’ are alike but the possibility exists they might be telling the truth about managing it.