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this wouldn’t have saved me, i was already driving when i started to get fucked up on [discontinued brand] at school
better thing to do would be to not make teenagers get up in the morning
Seriously they should, it would be better for them. They dont because sports and extra curricular come after 3 PM (if they start later that all starts later too) and also cause it fits parents’ work schedules. Except theyre teens, they hopefully should be able to be trusted to be more independent and go to school by 10 AM.
Ah but that would send the dangerous message to the proles that they have some right to sleep in for health which might carry over into adulthood as demands for flexible work hours to suit human bodies and lifestyles!
Better to beat them down as children, regiment them, abuse them, force them to take drugs and get used to it early so it’s seen as normal and part of “growing up”
(And as a bonus it generates demand for our caffeine drug market further taking money from their pockets and adding another cost they have to bear just to earn a living)I just keep thinking of the dead teens graves that should be marked “died while driving exhausted, so we could keep school schedules aligned for maximum profit generation”
The phrase “maximum profit generation” is now sticking in my head like a concept: that is what it will be to whatever comes after the Alphas or whatever the fuck they’re up to now. Betas? Ligmas?
Regardless, the last generation raised under late capitalism before it either rises to socialism or submerges into barbarism will truly be the Maximum Profit Generation.
oi
ye got a loicense fer dat red bull?
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I see so many freaks down like 3-4 of these a day. Schools honestly need to create some curriculum for health Ed about acceptable caffeine limits
It’s never been so easy to slowly kill yourself lmao
It’s never been so easy to slowly kill yourself lmao
how many people are dying of cafeine
About 10 per year but those are usually accidental crazy amounts. More talking about the stress on your heart. Adds up if your drinking this shit like crazy
Can’t die to caffeine if something else gets ya first. Checkmate. sips energy drink
does it add up though
Yeah your right drinking more then the recommended caffeine limit frequently has no adverse health effects
Sorry I’m a dumbass
you specifically made a claim around long term heart health. i didn’t find a very definite conclusion on that, and you haven’t produced one.
recommended doseages are just as much (arguably more) about short-term effects, i don’t know why you’d assume they’re predictive of long term health outcomes unless this is clearly documented somewhere.
for all i know the recommended dose for caffeine is designed around when 50% of test subjects get jittery
I’ve never seen any evidence of cumulative heart damage from excessive caffeine useage.
It can, in conjunction with other things, bring you into problem territory. Like if you have a heart problem, or go exercise, you can induce tachycardia or worst case a heart attack.
But if long term caffeine usage causes heart damage the effect is drowned out by more significant factors like not doing exercise or not eating a plant based diet.
If youre constantly raising your blood pressure to high levels overtime your heart has to work more.
Your heart doesn’t just tank a super dose of caffeine forever with out it wearing down
https://www.acc.org/Latest-in-Cardiology/Articles/2024/08/14/16/39/Chronic-High-Caffeine-Consumption-Impacts-Heart-Rate-BP (feel free to tear this study apart I’m a dumb American so I don’t know what’s good research or not)
While it seems you typically grow a partial tolerance with constant caffeine consumption which avoids the blood pressure spike ie with moderate caffeine consumption. Anything higher you start to get into moderate overdose territory which can bring back blood pressure spiking and other symptoms.
I’m sure sugar is doing most of the damage but caffeine is contributing as well.
I just want to emphasize that I don’t think caffeine is evil or nothing just that you probably shouldn’t be drinking 600-800 mgs of it
This study shows that exercising when full of caffeine (like 10x a cup of coffee) your heartrate takes a bit longer to go back to normal.
Which isn’t good, but a bit of a nothingburger.
If concerned about heart health exercise for around 1.5 hours each week vigourously, avoid alcohol, avoid meat, and avoid stress.
here’s the meta analysis that decided 400mg. they also found studies drawing a link but also many that didn’t. it’s by no means a closed question, and i suspect that even if it started to lean towards danger, it would be way less of a risk than other common products (cured meat)
I just want to emphasize that I don’t think caffeine is evil or nothing
i don’t think it’s good, it personally has a vendetta against me. but i don’t think western governments should be expanding surveillance against kids, especially governments who are on the other hand starving them with cuts to food assistance
“slowly kill yourself” obviously means damage to the body, which is well supported, e.g.
These drinks have like 25-50 grams of sugar per serve. Caffeine might not kill ya but diabetes sure can.
They make sugar free energy drinks
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Worse than soda (Which they can buy)?
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then surely it’d be a ban on sugar beverages, not ‘energy drinks’
One monster is 150 mg and the daily recommended limit or w/e they call it is like 350 i think so you could have like 2 and a small redbull before you start entering unadvisable territory
this is not health advice
150+150 = 300 red bull only has 50mg? somebody is getting scammed
i mean redbull has like 80 but hey whats another 30 mg over the limit surely it cant hurt
My friend in high school almost had a heart attack because he drank too many. But then he just kept drinking like it’s nothing
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here it’s just on the can
good idea, bad timing. (also better idea to regulate their contents, say for kids caffeine/taurine lower than x, but whatever)
(sleepy kids bought straight caffeine from pharmacies anyway, but like there is something to be said about moderation)
treatlerites reeling. “socialists” crying about paternalism and manifesting thatcher when they - who are evidently children- aren’t allowed to have unlimited access to their highly processed bright green ooze.
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I think 10 year olds shouldn’t have unlimited unsupervised access to drugs and that makes me a puritan and oppressor of children now
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Don’t forget your belief that children are subhuman. An important aspect of being human is legally guaranteed unlimited access to the self-kill juice no matter your circumstances nor development.
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Following this argument to its logical extreme, why have age of consent laws? Why not let 10 year olds drive? Why not let kids apply for credit cards so they can accrue thousands in debt for Fortnite skins?
As a society we have accepted that children are not developmentally ready for many things. I don’t see why this is any different.
Did I drink booze underage? Of course, like millions of kids. But it was mainly at house parties and whatnot. I think drinking at house parties with a bunch of age appropriate people was probably a (relatively) safer environment to get introduced to alcohol than hanging around in bars at 15. A bit of a tangent but just a concrete example from my life of how even when being broken these kinds of laws might reduce harm.
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as an adult, i see absolutely no reason why i’m more qualified to buy energy drinks than anyone else.
The reason is cognitive development, especially before the age of 16, the same reason kids aren’t tried as adults in a court of law.
plenty of kids can use energy drinks in a healthy way and plenty of adults can’t.
The main reason people drink energy drinks in the first place is to stay awake longer, which is already unhealthy on its own. Usually this is tied to severe overwork or extreme study sessions, making it even more unhealthy.
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Usually this is tied to severe overwork or extreme study sessions, making it even more unhealthy
these are unaddressed by restrictions on caffeine consumption of course
This is the weirdest upvoted take on Hexbear I have ever seen.
There’s a huge difference between imprisoning people for taking a drug, and banning the sale of goods to children.
But never mind, I agree, legalise the direct sale of cocaine to children now!
under 16 year olds shouldnt have any reason to be consuming stimulants but they clearly are, instead of the state intervening in why they do that theyre just throwing the book at one sensationalized product group.
literally 0 cafeine or sugar addicts will be stopped, because neither is actually being blocked, just an arbitrary combination of the two.
just because you believe in the utility of state bans on products you shouldn’t credulously entertain the worst incarnations of these coming from the worst governments on earth. the UK government is starving children with austerity but sure, this is about children’s health and not a bone to tabloid readers
Not to entirely defend that take. But the authorial family structure/upbringing as a result of patriarchy is something a lot marxist spoke out against.
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Hard disagree that this will hurt and stigmatise children to any degree. Are children stigmatised because they can’t vote or drive?
Letting kids sleep in a couple more hours in the morning before school would help them more than giving them unlimited access to gamer juice.
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In a vaccuume, this is a good policy choice. In the context of English politics, this is something of a mistake. Living standards are in decline, more and more pensioners are freezing to death each winter, and the capitalists and blue-bloods are needling for any opportunity to privatize the NHS. If Labour actually lived up to their name (or at least were just cynically savvy), this ban would come alongside a package to actually work on and improve these problems.
Instead, it’s just gonna be perceived as an austerity government doing a little bit of nanny state policy on the side, just because they can. Torries will use it as a rally cry, like the big-gulp soda thing in New York was, and most people will remember this as Labour electing to tinker at the margins rather than actually govern to anyone’s benefit.
To be clear, this is a good policy. But it’s a good policy being done in the most self-sabotaged manner possible.
They cant stop kids from vaping, this ban isn’t worth shit.
manifesting thatcher when they - who are evidently children
I get it now, anyone who might think a blanket ban might backfire instead of something like more stringent warnings on packaging clearly has to be a child living in the UK because nobody else could possibly care about a growing trend of “think of the children” bans, right?
For reference, I’m not saying that energy drinks shouldn’t have more regulation, as in the case of the death of a college student from Panera’s Charged Lemonade. I think warnings on any drinks with significant amounts of caffeine or other stimulants would honestly be a good idea. As an adult, I’ve been jittery and miserable twelve hours later from just one 120mg coffee in a can because I drank it while dehydrated and didn’t drink any water after that.
I am ardently against bans like this and want way more radical solutions like banning in advertising (blanket, but I’d settle for “junk foods”), plain packaging and regulations on making products visually appealing, limits on sweetness to hide chemical bitterness outside of pharmaceuticals, nutritional infor clearly communicated more prominently than branding.
Distracting paternalism is useless at best and harmful at worst. These things are brightly coloured, have edgy fonts and names, and are disgustingly sweet because that works. Hit the corporate ghouls in the money where it hurts, don’t blame teenagers for wanting to consume the drug that makes managing their life easier when it’s packaged so attractively and sold everywhere.
I don’t know what the right answer is, or whether or not those proposals would be effective, but I think we can both agree bans like this for cheap political points are actively unproductive to solving the actual problem.
i just had this
calypsored bull, and it’s FOOKIN’ MINGINGRegardless of how healthy energy drinks are for under 16s (or anyone, really), this is a fairly short sighted decision if the plan is to allow 16 year olds to vote in the hopes they’ll save Labour lmao
I fucking detest energy drinks but any bill that bans them and not freely traded caffeine powder and or bills is going to be worthless
Yeah, I’ve heard awful stories of people bulk buying caffeine powder off the internet and then straight up taking a lethal overdose
No way you just reminded me of the caffeine pill very special episode of Saved By The Bell
i’m so excited
I mean, what is childhood for if not drinking dangerous amounts of caffeine and sugar?
Huh I thought this was already the case since you get ID’d for energy drinks which was extremely annoying in my 20s. The most annoying one was getting ID’d for painkillers while sick.
In school I’d buy a litre of corrosive red bull knockoff for 99p and drink the whole thing
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The kids are gonna be mad they can’t get their Prime fix
I knew kids that would just take caffeine pills straight up instead of energy drinks. Hell I am not even against it in theory, when I was younger I LOVED Rockstar freeze Pineapple & Coconut to an unhealthy degree, but tbh I would have found something else to be addicted to.
I used to do that as a teen.
I still do, but I used to, too.
Au-ADHD brain is really something else when it comes to dopamine hits.
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Way cheaper, if I ever decide to start taking caffeine that’s what I’d do
I just go for half a dozen cups of coffee or tea because it’s “sophisticated” and socially acceptable
As long as youre not taking them by the handful they can be nice when you want caffeine but tummy hurts
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This is not a law against children drinking energy drinks, this is a law against stores selling them to children.
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How can it not be relevant? One law penalises and criminalises people for consuming a harmful drug, i.e. the victims. The other penalises the people gleefully selling them the harmful drug. These parties are not equally liable for the damage done. There is no incentive to ‘chug five in their room’.
Alcohol laws work the same way in many places
In an old special, Eddie Izzard tells the joke: “No smoking in bars anymore, and soon, no drinking and no talking.”
I used to think that was a funny joke, but I guess it was just an accurate prediction of England’s future.
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that sounds obnoxious, never met a fingerprint scanner that wasn’t finicky as hell
like, if you’re gonna do it, then scan the barcode on my driver’s license like a real surveillance state, not the stage-play stuff you see in movies
The issue is that those 14 and under just get older friends to buy energy drinks for them. Thats how it was done when I was a kid (with alcohol & weed in my case)
I mean yeah, there’s no such thing as an absolute law. If the goal is to make 100% sure absolutely no kid or teenager ever gets so much as a drop of Redbull® (or even alcohol), then your policy is always doomed to failure, no matter how strict you make it.
Luckily, you don’t actually have to do that. Some minor barrier to entry, even one as simple as having to ask “hey, could you get me this from the shop?”, is usually enough to discourage a pretty sizable chunk of people. Like China’s firewall. Doesn’t actually stop anyone determined, but it is enough to keep yer nan from using Facebook to fry her understanding of the world. Assuming yer nan lived in China.
I once hung out with some dude bros who brought a big sack of caffeine powder around with them. They would rail it almost constantly. No idea if that’s actually effective I think they would’ve been happier with coke lmao
Wtf.
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Are they going to ban children from drinking tea while they’re at it?
surely there’s not a difference between the toxic sludge marketed to minors and a cup of tea?
The amount of people on this website who display zero dialectical understanding of the world is disturbing for a supposedly communist platform
Energy drinks are way worse than tea though. 55g of sugar per can and some kids will drink two or three of these a day.
presumably they’re not taking their coffee black either
Probably, but do most coffee drinkers add 100g+ of sugar to their daily coffees?
given the popularity of starbucks i’m gonna guess it’s way more
given the circumstances of the situation ☝️🤓
Okay yeah, regulating the manufacturers of these drinks is a better idea than banning kids from buying them.
considering how coffee tastes like shit right out of satan’s bunghole if you don’t? i must imagine so
Now you accidentally tripped over very based idea, tea embargo for all Brits.
I don’t think the children are drinking tea. Because of woke. I used to mix tea and instant coffee together when I was a kid cos I’m weird
The Briton Wrestling Federation is not ready for “Matcha Man” Randall Civilized
I drank tea as a kid. But I don’t know if kids today drink tea…
I used to mix tea and instant coffee together when I was a kid cos I’m weird
Pretty sure brewing tea using hot coffee has been a trend in Asia for a little while now
Bruh… how did it taste?
Bangin mate
It’s Britain. The majority of the people there might actually put a cultural cornerstone like tea on a higher moral pedestal than your average adult liberals put state sanctioned ridiculous restrictions on children on. Anywhere else, you could attempt that, and people would laugh, and teenagers would protest, but ultimately no massive resistance would take place if laughing it out didn’t work. Because when authoritarian and pointless nonsense only affects children, no one actually sees it as a fundamental violation of freedoms and civil liberties. But in the UK, people might actually do something if the government tried to restrict who’s allowed to buy, brew, and drink tea. Because Brits love their tea and see British tea stereotypes as a Valued Cultural Institution.
